bcousins
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| MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | So? That's for 387k users, and those system specs are not that crazy. If you guys are that desperate, I'll buy you a server with those specs. |
Is it PHP5 compliant? I believe WP Software is not.
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sliqua-jcooter
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| bcousins wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | So? That's for 387k users, and those system specs are not that crazy. If you guys are that desperate, I'll buy you a server with those specs. |
Is it PHP5 compliant? I believe WP Software is not. |
Yes, the site runs PHP5
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| Delphiki wrote: | | The font didn't look any different when I changed from safari to firefox |
I was changing from IE8. I figured it out. I changed the font smoothing from standard to clear type, on the desktop settings for Windows XP, and it made the fonts in Firefox look identical to how they did in IE8, before I changed over. It is definitely a much better browser, now that the font smoothing is working like it did in IE8.
And a further note, if anyone is using IE8, that is likely a huge part of their frustrations. There was always a couple of seconds hesitation for page downloads, for me before.
Although, I will have to admit, if I was not able to get the font to an equal level of quality, I probably would have stayed with IE8.
I can remember Alex saying the WP software was not completely compliant with Microsoft Explorer, and some people raising a bit of ire over that, because they didn't want to change browsers, in part because they don't like change, but FireFox is free, the download process takes all of 5 minutes, seamless for me, except for the font settings. There is nothing to lose, because one can use both browsers at the same time, if they want to.
I had no idea that leaving Internet Explorer behind and changing to FireFox could possibly make that big of a difference.
Back in the old days, in a comparison between IE and Netscape there really wasn't that much of a difference. Again, I am at the point of not being able to imagine going any faster. I'll likely keep my 8 year old desktop a while longer, since all I use it for is the internet.
I appreciate the advice from coming to this thread, I suggest that anyone that is having problems with this website using a version of internet explorer, give Firefox a try. There is nothing to lose.
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bcousins
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| sliqua-jcooter wrote: | | bcousins wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | So? That's for 387k users, and those system specs are not that crazy. If you guys are that desperate, I'll buy you a server with those specs. |
Is it PHP5 compliant? I believe WP Software is not. |
Yes, the site runs PHP5 |
Thanks for answering that... I wasn't sure.
That'd mean there's a few "Depreciated" values then?
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MyFutureSelfnMe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| aghogday wrote: | | Delphiki wrote: | | The font didn't look any different when I changed from safari to firefox |
I was changing from IE8. I figured it out. I changed the font smoothing from standard to clear type, on the desktop settings for Windows XP, and it made the fonts in Firefox look identical to how they did in IE8, before I changed over. It is definitely a much better browser, now that the font smoothing is working like it did in IE8.
And a further note, if anyone is using IE8, that is likely a huge part of their frustrations. There was always a couple of seconds hesitation for page downloads, for me before.
Although, I will have to admit, if I was not able to get the font to an equal level of quality, I probably would have stayed with IE8.
I can remember Alex saying the WP software was not completely compliant with Microsoft Explorer, and some people raising a bit of ire over that, because they didn't want to change browsers, in part because they don't like change, but FireFox is free, the download process takes all of 5 minutes, seamless for me, except for the font settings. There is nothing to lose, because one can use both browsers at the same time, if they want to.
I had no idea that leaving Internet Explorer behind and changing to FireFox could possibly make that big of a difference.
Back in the old days, in a comparison between IE and Netscape there really wasn't that much of a difference. Again, I am at the point of not being able to imagine going any faster. I'll likely keep my 8 year old desktop a while longer, since all I use it for is the internet.
I appreciate the advice from coming to this thread, I suggest that anyone that is having problems with this website using a version of internet explorer, give Firefox a try. There is nothing to lose. |
Your issue with IE8 sounds symptomatic of a spyware/malware plugin. Definitely check your plugins.
Last I checked, WP was working alright in IE, but I use Chrome now. Both IE and Chrome are faster than FF for me in typical cases, and are close enough to each other in speed that I just use Chrome "because".
I wish plugins didn't have as much control as they do. I believe that's true of any browser. IE just a more frequent malware target.
That font issue kept me from using FF back in the day when it was (IMO) more competitive on performance. Pages didn't render the same as they did in IE, and I preferred the way they looked in IE. All good these days. |
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MyFutureSelfnMe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| sliqua-jcooter wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | So? That's for 387k users, and those system specs are not that crazy. If you guys are that desperate, I'll buy you a server with those specs. |
a) 387k users with 3751248 posts, vs ~68k users with 4665074 posts.
b) You completely missed the real point - that 1 request != 1 action.
c) buy two, we actually need a spare. |
Are you guys really not making any money with such an active user base? It can't be more than 10 grand for all the hardware you could need.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | sliqua-jcooter wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | So? That's for 387k users, and those system specs are not that crazy. If you guys are that desperate, I'll buy you a server with those specs. |
a) 387k users with 3751248 posts, vs ~68k users with 4665074 posts.
b) You completely missed the real point - that 1 request != 1 action.
c) buy two, we actually need a spare. |
Are you guys really not making any money with such an active user base? |
You're mistaking me for Alex. I am not a part of Wrong Planet, I am a vendor.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| sliqua-jcooter wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | sliqua-jcooter wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | So? That's for 387k users, and those system specs are not that crazy. If you guys are that desperate, I'll buy you a server with those specs. |
a) 387k users with 3751248 posts, vs ~68k users with 4665074 posts.
b) You completely missed the real point - that 1 request != 1 action.
c) buy two, we actually need a spare. |
Are you guys really not making any money with such an active user base? |
You're mistaking me for Alex. I am not a part of Wrong Planet, I am a vendor. |
Ok I had the feeling you were working for Alex. Sorry. |
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| Yeah all things considered I kind of wish Alex would sell the site. He can go months without actively participating in the discussions, which is indicative of his general level of involvement. |
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bcousins
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| MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | Yeah all things considered I kind of wish Alex would sell the site. He can go months without actively participating in the discussions, which is indicative of his general level of involvement. |
Don't be stupid.
Alex has worked hard for ages to get the site to where it is today
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| bcousins wrote: | | MyFutureSelfnMe wrote: | | Yeah all things considered I kind of wish Alex would sell the site. He can go months without actively participating in the discussions, which is indicative of his general level of involvement. |
Don't be stupid.
Alex has worked hard for ages to get the site to where it is today |
I'm sure he did at some point.
I see very little evidence he's doing anything at all related to WP these days though. He's let issues with the site fester for years and the design is getting pretty crusty by modern standards. When I prodded him about it two years ago, all he had to say was that aspies can't handle change so he wouldn't change anything.
His vendor above seems to indicate the site is running on underpowered hardware.
The least he could do is kick in some cash to keep things up to par. With such an active user base, he must have some income from WP. |
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| Quote: | | aspies can't handle change so he wouldn't change anything. |
From the end user perspective there is little difference between the various major forum systems so I don't see how people would be upset by a change. The administrator/moderator interface would probably be different, but that would not impact on many people.
If the main change is better performance then I doubt there will be complaints. |
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A better description might be - change made to this particular environment, with which people are very familiar.
As in: your home would still be your home but it would be a bit of a shock to find the furniture had been moved around while you were away and all the paint was a different colour.
In practice both could be overcome, but I do understand the reluctance to cause change like this.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Cornflake wrote: | A better description might be - change made to this particular environment, with which people are very familiar.
As in: your home would still be your home but it would be a bit of a shock to find the furniture had been moved around while you were away and all the paint was a different colour.
In practice both could be overcome, but I do understand the reluctance to cause change like this. |
As far as I understand, Alex is committed to changing the software here. I believe the question now is what exactly to change to. And then the question after that is how to make that change as seamless as possible.
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Seems like phpBB/mysql running on modern hw (similar to the specs we discussed) is the natural choice.
I'm half tempted to develop my own BB system now that I see the inefficiencies in what's out there though. |
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