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25% |
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Kraichgauer
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While I doubt that Reagan was personally quite the monster that my fellow liberals remember him as, the fact is he had unleashed on modern America the insanity of trickle down economics, the callousness of individualism to the detriment of those in need, the deification of the free market, and the promotion of evangelical theology with all its love of ignorance as a virtue has since had harmful implications for our country since. (Sorry for the extended sentence!)
Reagan today would have been regarded as soft ideologically by the modern far right reactionaries, but he had opened the door for them, and for that, I will always hold a grudge against him.
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Kurgan
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| Joker wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | Neither.
He wasn't as bad as some left-wingers say, but the again, he wasn't the saint conservatives make him out to be either. |
Fact Ronald Reagan started out as a Liberal. |
Another fact: In the global context, both the conservatives and the liberals are right-wing and the difference between them isn't as black-and-white as Glenn Beck makes it.
Also, a lot of Ronald Reagan's mistakes can be blamed on the congress, but I guess it's easier to bla e the man himself. |
That is very true Kurgan I agree but in America when things go wrong you blame the President which is stupid. |
I know. 
That's one of the reasons why it's a very hard job, especially given that the president earns less than many CEOs. |
It is a hard job but Americans elect people based on popularity it seems. When we just need a good leader who knows what he is doing. |
It's like that in most countries with free elections.  Also, even if the president is good (think Bill Clinton), people still enjoy criticizing him, making fun of him etc. |
W had a good time making fun of Bush. But the Liberals hate it when you diss Obama  |
Where's the change he promissed? He and the goernment seems to be wasting a sh.tload of money on wasteful programs, with the prime example being Cash for Clunkers.  |
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androbot2084
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| Reagan taught us that the more you give to the poor the more dependent they will become. |
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SpiritBlooms
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| Kurgan wrote: | | Another fact: In the global context, both the conservatives and the liberals are right-wing and the difference between them isn't as black-and-white as Glenn Beck makes it. |
True! I'm a progressive liberal (or social democrat, take your pick), and to me most Democrats seem too conservative, especially Obama. He could run as a moderate Republican and I wouldn't really know the difference. I like him, but he's really not very liberal. What amazes me is he's been so conciliatory and the right wing treats him like a pariah and paralyzes everything he wants to do, even on issues where twenty years ago they would have agreed with him. They see him as this ultra-liberal, and HE'S NOT! Kucinich is liberal. Obama is conservative-lite. In fact, since Kucinich's defeat, there are no more liberals in Congress, so I don't know why it's still always at war with itself. :-/ |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| androbot2084 wrote: | | Reagan taught us that the more you give to the poor the more dependent they will become. |
That was well known before RWR.
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ruveyn
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| androbot2084 wrote: | | Reagan taught us that the more you give to the poor the more dependent they will become. |
That was well known before RWR.
Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you.
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Raptor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you. |
I read that just as I took a gulp of ice tea and I almost drowned in what didn't get sprayed on my monitor.
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Raptor wrote: | | Quote: | Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you. |
I read that just as I took a gulp of ice tea and I almost drowned in what didn't get sprayed on my monitor.
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My wife keeps telling me she can't take me anywhere.
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Raptor wrote: | | Quote: | Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you. |
I read that just as I took a gulp of ice tea and I almost drowned in what didn't get sprayed on my monitor.
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My wife keeps telling me she can't take me anywhere.
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I get that response from my wife, too.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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abstract
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| I really liked Ronald Reagan, in fact I regard him as the best president in modern US history. I agree with his reganomics theory. We should use the way he dealt with the the air traffic control, strike of 1981 as an example for all future generations. In the process of fighting back the reds, he did manage to rack up a major deficit. However, I appreciate his honesty when he said it was the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. It is a shame that Clinton and Obama have put everything that he worked on to ruins. Overall, I respected him the most as a president. He put an end to red empire and seemed very honest (an oxymoron for a politican). He didn't promise anything and he didn't blame anyone if something didn't work like our Leader, comrade Obama has made a habit of with congress. He also didn't take all of the credit for his reduction of the unemployment rate, he simply gave the private sector the proper tools to work with. I believe that Reagen's defining moment was his presidential address of July 1981. As he explains his tax plan he sits there with a chart promising not what might happen to the unemployment rate but what will happen to the tax rate. He didn't to make false promises and accusations, he only needed to explain himself. Hopefully our leader, comrade Obama can learn from what he calls "social Darwinism" and adjust his policy accordingly. Geese, what am I thinking, our leader comrade Napolean is always right! |
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Kraichgauer
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| abstract wrote: | | I really liked Ronald Reagan, in fact I regard him as the best president in modern US history. I agree with his reganomics theory. We should use the way he dealt with the the air traffic control, strike of 1981 as an example for all future generations. In the process of fighting back the reds, he did manage to rack up a major deficit. However, I appreciate his honesty when he said it was the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. It is a shame that Clinton and Obama have put everything that he worked on to ruins. Overall, I respected him the most as a president. He put an end to red empire and seemed very honest (an oxymoron for a politican). He didn't promise anything and he didn't blame anyone if something didn't work like our Leader, comrade Obama has made a habit of with congress. He also didn't take all of the credit for his reduction of the unemployment rate, he simply gave the private sector the proper tools to work with. I believe that Reagen's defining moment was his presidential address of July 1981. As he explains his tax plan he sits there with a chart promising not what might happen to the unemployment rate but what will happen to the tax rate. He didn't to make false promises and accusations, he only needed to explain himself. Hopefully our leader, comrade Obama can learn from what he calls "social Darwinism" and adjust his policy accordingly. Geese, what am I thinking, our leader comrade Napolean is always right! |
I think you Republicans are buying into your own bullshit that Obama is a radical leftist.
I only wish.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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androbot2084
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| So what's wrong with being dependent on welfare ? |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| androbot2084 wrote: | | So what's wrong with being dependent on welfare ? |
The right can and has come up with all sorts of answers for that question.
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androbot2084
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| Because the right wants people to be independent and to get off of welfare. But if the poor will be with us always and some people will be better at making money than other people wouldn't it be better just to share the wealth? |
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simon_says
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| abstract wrote: | | I really liked Ronald Reagan, in fact I regard him as the best president in modern US history. I agree with his reganomics theory. We should use the way he dealt with the the air traffic control, strike of 1981 as an example for all future generations. In the process of fighting back the reds, he did manage to rack up a major deficit. However, I appreciate his honesty when he said it was the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. It is a shame that Clinton and Obama have put everything that he worked on to ruins. Overall, I respected him the most as a president. He put an end to red empire and seemed very honest (an oxymoron for a politican). He didn't promise anything and he didn't blame anyone if something didn't work like our Leader, comrade Obama has made a habit of with congress. He also didn't take all of the credit for his reduction of the unemployment rate, he simply gave the private sector the proper tools to work with. I believe that Reagen's defining moment was his presidential address of July 1981. As he explains his tax plan he sits there with a chart promising not what might happen to the unemployment rate but what will happen to the tax rate. He didn't to make false promises and accusations, he only needed to explain himself. Hopefully our leader, comrade Obama can learn from what he calls "social Darwinism" and adjust his policy accordingly. Geese, what am I thinking, our leader comrade Napolean is always right! |
Bill Clinton ruined what? Clinton was more fiscally responsible than Reagan. A brief lull between the spendthrift Reagan-Bush and then Bush again. Then it's back to tax cuts without spending reductions. Clinton also raised taxes (as did Reagan and Bush 41), and still the private sector created jobs. |
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