ruveyn
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Take away the fact of the cost of handeling nuclear power it is sorta cheap. Plus oil will not always be here finding other natural gases will be hard when their is no more oil. |
When oil gets and gas get scarce we will use coal. The cheapest fuel always wins.
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Joker
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
Take away the fact of the cost of handeling nuclear power it is sorta cheap. Plus oil will not always be here finding other natural gases will be hard when their is no more oil. |
When oil gets and gas get scarce we will use coal. The cheapest fuel always wins.
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Ah Caol that we can use but the environmental damage that caol causes is not good for the planet. Then again we already have that problem with gas and oil. |
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| Build a containment building around the reactor. Then you can reap the benefits of power that's even cheaper than coal based power while the only thing that's released into the atmosphere is water vapor. |
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Joker
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurgan wrote: | | Build a containment building around the reactor. Then you can reap the benefits of power that's even cheaper than coal based power while the only thing that's released into the atmosphere is water vapor. |
I like that idea. |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | Rakshasa72 wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Oldout wrote: | | When will man, the smartest being on the planet, ever learn how or try to harness gravity? It is cheap, plentiful and renwable. |
It's called hydropower. |
Also I think geo thermal takes advantage of the heat created by the compression of gravity in the earth's mantle. If we could somehow develope a way to drill through the earth's crust and tap in to this heat energy I think we'd be pretty set for our energy needs. |
Most of the heat in the Earth's core comes from radioactive decay. Some of it is residual heat from the formation of the Earth (which was extracted, for lack of a better word, from the gravitational potential of the things forming the Earth), but I'm pretty sure that radioactive decay is the dominant heat source. |
Yeah, apparently radioactivity is something like 80-90% were as gravitic compression is only 5-10%. Either way if we could somehow safely access this heat it would be a pretty good energy source. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Oldout wrote: | | When will man, the smartest being on the planet, ever learn how or try to harness gravity? It is cheap, plentiful and renwable. |
It's called hydropower. |
It is economical only at high head water drops which are, alas, very few and far between.
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I wasn't talking about the cheapness or feasibility. It's just the only power source that I know of that involves gravity. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Nuclear Energy is also cheap. |
Not if you factor in the cost of handling the waste safely.
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True but it is still pretty cheap. |
No. It is not. Unfortunately oil and natural gas are cheaper which is why were are burning them.
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Waste of good chemical feedstock, unfortunately. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Nuclear Energy is also cheap. |
Not if you factor in the cost of handling the waste safely.
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True but it is still pretty cheap. |
No. It is not. Unfortunately oil and natural gas are cheaper which is why were are burning them.
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Waste of good chemical feedstock, unfortunately. |
Not really this is a lot you can do with Nuclear energy. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | Not really this is a lot you can do with Nuclear energy. |
I was talking about burning oil. We can also use oil to make plastics, pharmaceuticals, among many other cool and useful things. Burning it just seems like such a waste. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Not really this is a lot you can do with Nuclear energy. |
I was talking about burning oil. We can also use oil to make plastics, pharmaceuticals, among many other cool and useful things. Burning it just seems like such a waste. |
It is. It is bad for air quality and it is a waste of long chain polymers. It is a sin to burn oil. We should be burning ecologists instead.
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Not really this is a lot you can do with Nuclear energy. |
I was talking about burning oil. We can also use oil to make plastics, pharmaceuticals, among many other cool and useful things. Burning it just seems like such a waste. |
It is. It is bad for air quality and it is a waste of long chain polymers. It is a sin to burn oil. We should be burning ecologists instead.
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If we're sticking with fossil fuels then surely natural gas would be the more humane source of energy? Although I suppose that technically ecologists would be biomass, rather than fossil fuels. |
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| Fossiel Fuels will not last long. |
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| Here coal, oil and gas are more expensive then nuclear power. Coal a bit, gas quite a lot (still cheap compared to wind and solar power stations). |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Nuclear Energy is also cheap. |
Not if you factor in the cost of handling the waste safely.
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Handling the waste is very, very easy and cheap.
Dig deep hole, put the tiny amount of waste in deep hole, seal up deep hole for the next 100,000 years.
It is the politics that it make it hard, not the technical challenge.
France, which is the largest user of nuclear energy in the world (as a percentage of electricity sources) and it also has the cheapest pre-tax electricity Europe by quite a margin.
Nuclear is cheap and safe. |
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| Rakshasa72 wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Rakshasa72 wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Oldout wrote: | | When will man, the smartest being on the planet, ever learn how or try to harness gravity? It is cheap, plentiful and renwable. |
It's called hydropower. |
Also I think geo thermal takes advantage of the heat created by the compression of gravity in the earth's mantle. If we could somehow develope a way to drill through the earth's crust and tap in to this heat energy I think we'd be pretty set for our energy needs. |
Most of the heat in the Earth's core comes from radioactive decay. Some of it is residual heat from the formation of the Earth (which was extracted, for lack of a better word, from the gravitational potential of the things forming the Earth), but I'm pretty sure that radioactive decay is the dominant heat source. |
Yeah, apparently radioactivity is something like 80-90% were as gravitic compression is only 5-10%. Either way if we could somehow safely access this heat it would be a pretty good energy source. |
Doing this safely is the big problem. Many people are getting geothermal installed around here, but what I have been wondering, is what kind of problems drilling all of these holes into the earth are causing, that we don't know about yet.
The biggest thing we should be concerned about, is using less power to begin with. With the population growth, and all of these new electrical devices coming out every day, it makes you wonder how we can sustain this. |
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