Australia: land of kangroos, people that need to lighten up

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You're in luck. In Oz, those who apply for a license have to go through all of the same background checks, in addition to a safety course run by the police. If someone has a license, you can reasonably say they're at least as safe as the government requires. The actual rate of firearm accidents is higher among the police force than the licensed public, just FYI and all.

Of note, I'm a big fan of the mandatory safety course (not a fan of other restrictions, but not everyone agrees with me there). I don't trust people to learn things on their own properly.

On this we can agree then. But background checks will only bring up prior records if the person had a criminal record right? what about mental profile? potential to have a brain snap because of a mental illness (not talking here about autism, rather bipolar, schizophrenia and personality disorder etc).

An all-encompassing Federal and State background check. They have access to everything, even private records (it even says such on the application). Exclusions are wide; you can appeal them, but it's most likely not worth it in the end regarding the bother.

I'm also a fan of a background check. I can see the desire for lots of the exclusions; I wouldn't want someone who had drunk driving as an offense to handle firearms, as that shows a lack of responsibility.

I wouldn't want someone with a drunk driving offense to drive a car either, but they're pretty lenient there.

So how is all this mutually exclusive from gun rights? You can't have all those things along with gun rights? Any sort of system is too big and massive to efficiently cater to individual needs, so it only makes sense that people should have an individual means of protection should the system fail. Fire departments don't eliminate the need for fire extinguishers, so why should the police departments eliminate the need for guns?

You retract your statement and yet you still show the same condescending attitude that led you to saying most gun owners are probably abusive parents. (Redacted)

Can any mod PLEASE explain why my post above got edited while cyberdad gets absolutely no s**t for his conduct at all?

Your post included a personal attack on him. Someone else reported it publicly in the place to report this things and I had to remove the personal attack.

I cant find any personal attack on his posts

I won't deny that I straight up attacked him. I did call him a POS. But any one of his posts can easily fall under personal attacks:

Sounds a lot like that "Are you gonna shoot me?" crap, and this is after he retracted his disgusting little bs about gun owners being abusive fathers.

He thinks merely owning a gun is a sign of primitive and violent thinking. Does that not go beyond attacking an opinion, belief, or philosophy?

Those posts werent reported until now(they only reported the last page). I´ll look into them now

Thank you. I tend to assume that the moderating here works by cruising through threads but I guess it mostly works on the basis of reports.

He is just giving his opinion on the subject same way we have to allow heavy criticism towards any religion we have to allow heavy criticism on any topic .
I cant find any post where he actually says that anyone owning a gun is an abusive father which would be unacceptable yes.

Imagine if he said "being a Muslim" rather than "gun ownership". To your credit though, the "Are you gonna shoot thing?" has been addressed. He already retracted the abusive parents thing too so anyways I'm just gonna drop it. I just get cranky about these type of things because I get too much condescending crap from people IRL who think I'm a knuckle dragger just because I do MMA and that somehow makes them so civilized and sophisticated. I can see more of this crap coming once I apply for a gun licence. They think being sophisticated and civilized is about looking down on things rather than conducting themselves respectfully, which I think is hypocritical and repulsive since I am a lot more respectful towards people than they are. I judge people's civility based on conduct, not based on how "intellectual" their hobbies are.

Arming people (civilians) with weapons to the point the community is awash with guns has a knock on effect that goes beyond making the community unsafe. It also creates a culture that teaches the next generation that problems can be solved using violent retaliation. Not a healthy environment.



Not picking on you specifically but none of the pro-gun posters here have provided evidence that a mild mannered accountant with a gun is going to magically turn into Chuck Norris if faced with 2-3 armed intruders.

There is no diagnosis in the US that prohibits someone from owning a gun, and problems from that are rare since substance abuse is by far predisposing factor for non-gang or drug trade related violence. The mentally ill are a favorite whipping boy for gun control even though for reasons unknown to me, hardly any of them have any inclination to ever own a gun even they do not fall into any prohibited category. The violent lunatic stereotype is a product of the media. In real life, the mentally ill are 3 times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than to commit one.


Having a home turf advantage when defending yourself helps your odds immensely, and most thugs tend to lack proficiency with the guns they have. If they were training to be a "Chuck Norris", that would be held against them too. For the record, Chuck Norris was a fairly average man out of the spotlight. He spent time in the air force, he was an avid kick-boxer, worked in aerospace, became an action star, and eventually became a Christian. He is a mild mannered man that is highly disciplined in the use of force.

How do the presence of guns alone create its own culture? This sounds like borderline psychoanalysis. Subcultures promoting violent retaliation exist on their own and have jack s**t to do with whether or not guns are legal. A violent subcultural mindset will cause you to be violent regardless of what means you have for it. Do the presence of condoms in a community create a "culture of sex"? Does the legalization of abortion create a "culture of infanticide" or a "culture of death"? How about Honda Civics, did they create a "culture of ricers"? Nice logic there buddy.

Can you show me who has said this? This statement is so vague I don't even know where to start and I can't even tell whether or not it's just a figment of your imagination. You do realize that it highly depends on the circumstances right? The topic of guns is very very complex and if you're looking for simple answers you're barking up the wrong tree. If the 3 dudes already have their guns out then who's gonna be stupid enough to pull one out while they already have 3 pointed at him/her? And it highly depends on how aware of the situation the person is. Situational awareness differs from person to person. If let's say, the accountant notices the first intruder has a suspicious looking bulge on his hip or maybe a jacket which has one side hanging lower than the other with an object in it. The accountant could then get prepared to pull a gun out.

And oh yeah, none of the gun control folks have ever shown evidence for this "More guns create a culture of violence" theory of theirs. Then again, your definition of "violent" clearly means "Anyone who owns a gun regardless of whether or not they are responsible with it". I'm convinced that terms like "gun culture" or "culture of violence" are nothing more than obfuscating horses**t.

Protect the kangroos

Speaking of 3 versus 1:

Back when I did IDPA (competitive shooting), I could put 6 rounds on 3 targets in about a second (Series 70 Government Model, .45). Whilst I probably was better than the average bear that showed up at the range, I was by no means all that spectacular (middle of the road). The only training I had was self-taught via reading and putting in the hard work each weekend.

The best shooter was a baker by trade (which means nothing, as shooting isn't tied to anything other than the skill involved).

We used to compete with the QLD police and security forces too.