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| Inuyasha wrote: | Okay when the Bible makes a reference to falling stars, it is likely a reference to meteors...
You do realize that people of that time had no vocabularly concerning meteors. Anyone care to suggest how God is supposed to explain to a people that are at a Bronze Age technological level the concept of Outer Space...
Meteorites used to quite literally be considered fallen stars, so we have to look at the level of understanding of the people at the time.
Quite trying to claim that God doesn't exist because he didn't explain to people running around with spears, how to build a Saturn V rocket. It would have been completely pointless because they wouldn't have understood a word of it. |
Then he coulda just said "rocks will fall from the sky" if he meant meteors, and not distant suns. It wouldnt have taken a dissertation! |
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| Inuyasha wrote: | | shrox wrote: | Some have interpreted this to mean the reentry of ICBMs in though the atmosphere.
ICBMs are Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, they usually carry nuclear warheads. |
That is also a distinct possibility if you think about it. Remember the Bible was written back when people would have absoluting no concept of what a rocket or missile was, let alone a Nuke. |
I'm thinking as hard as I can. 
The people who wrote the Bible were running around with spears, and didn't know what a rocket or missile was.
Jesus told them to write about rockets and missiles, but since they didn't have words for these items in Ancient Greek, they used the Greek word for Star, with which meteorite was a homonym.
Consequently, God does exist, and the Bible is true.
Did I get that right? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Inuyasha wrote: | | shrox wrote: | Some have interpreted this to mean the reentry of ICBMs in though the atmosphere.
ICBMs are Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, they usually carry nuclear warheads. |
That is also a distinct possibility if you think about it. Remember the Bible was written back when people would have absoluting no concept of what a rocket or missile was, let alone a Nuke. |
I'm thinking as hard as I can.
The people who wrote the Bible were running around with spears, and didn't know what a rocket or missile was.
Jesus told them to write about rockets and missiles, but since they didn't have words for these items in Ancient Greek, they used the Greek word for Star, with which meteorite was a homonym.
Consequently, God does exist, and the Bible is true.
Did I get that right? |
The Bible was written in a manner that people of that time period would be able to understand it. There are parts of the Bible that need to be taken literally and other parts you need to look at from a conceptual basis. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Inuyasha wrote: | | ArrantPariah wrote: | | Inuyasha wrote: | | shrox wrote: | Some have interpreted this to mean the reentry of ICBMs in though the atmosphere.
ICBMs are Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, they usually carry nuclear warheads. |
That is also a distinct possibility if you think about it. Remember the Bible was written back when people would have absoluting no concept of what a rocket or missile was, let alone a Nuke. |
I'm thinking as hard as I can.
The people who wrote the Bible were running around with spears, and didn't know what a rocket or missile was.
Jesus told them to write about rockets and missiles, but since they didn't have words for these items in Ancient Greek, they used the Greek word for Star, with which meteorite was a homonym.
Consequently, God does exist, and the Bible is true.
Did I get that right? |
The Bible was written in a manner that people of that time period would be able to understand it. There are parts of the Bible that need to be taken literally and other parts you need to look at from a conceptual basis. |
I see. So the part about stars colliding with our planet is, in fact, a reference to rockets and missiles destroying our planet. Which means that God does exist and the Bible is true.  |
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grins*
if stars are going to fall they better start falling soon as it would take them eons to get here(given intergalactic distances and all)
grins again*
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Inuyasha wrote: | | ArrantPariah wrote: | | Inuyasha wrote: | | shrox wrote: | Some have interpreted this to mean the reentry of ICBMs in though the atmosphere.
ICBMs are Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, they usually carry nuclear warheads. |
That is also a distinct possibility if you think about it. Remember the Bible was written back when people would have absoluting no concept of what a rocket or missile was, let alone a Nuke. |
I'm thinking as hard as I can.
The people who wrote the Bible were running around with spears, and didn't know what a rocket or missile was.
Jesus told them to write about rockets and missiles, but since they didn't have words for these items in Ancient Greek, they used the Greek word for Star, with which meteorite was a homonym.
Consequently, God does exist, and the Bible is true.
Did I get that right? |
The Bible was written in a manner that people of that time period would be able to understand it. There are parts of the Bible that need to be taken literally and other parts you need to look at from a conceptual basis. |
I see. So the part about stars colliding with our planet is, in fact, a reference to rockets and missiles destroying our planet. Which means that God does exist and the Bible is true. |
I wish some well meaning Christian had explained it to me that way to begin with
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| naturalplastic wrote: | | Then he coulda just said "rocks will fall from the sky" if he meant meteors, and not distant suns. It wouldnt have taken a dissertation! |
Yeah, I always thought "shooting rock" was a better term than "shooting star". |
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| slave wrote: | grins*
if stars are going to fall they better start falling soon as it would take them eons to get here(given intergalactic distances and all)
grins again* |
Perhaps there's no need to wait that long, you may want to look at Hollywood from time to time. |
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| blunnet wrote: | | slave wrote: | grins*
if stars are going to fall they better start falling soon as it would take them eons to get here(given intergalactic distances and all)
grins again* |
Perhaps there's no need to wait that long, you may want to look at Hollywood from time to time. |
Any Hollywood leading actors should bring a parachute when they fly just in case. 
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| Revelations 6 wrote: | | The stars fell down to the earth, like unripe figs falling from the tree when a strong wind shakes it. |
ICBMs are nothing at all like unripe figs. Therefore, the Bible is wrong and God does not exist. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Revelations 6 wrote: | | The stars fell down to the earth, like unripe figs falling from the tree when a strong wind shakes it. |
ICBMs are nothing at all like unripe figs. Therefore, the Bible is wrong and God does not exist. |
The bible could be wrong but god could still exist. The error of one does not imply the non-existence of the other. They are logically disconnected propositions. Perhaps god exists and it is nothing like what is described in the Bible.
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"Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken."
"'Revelation 6:13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind."
"Isaiah 34:4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
The references clearly aren't about a few nuclear bombs or meteors falling on the planet, but, rather. all the celestial bodies in the sky disappearing. Its just an ancient, ignorant vision of the end of the world that's no longer valid because of its scientific implausibility. We know our earth is gonna be long gone before we'd be able to witness all the stars finally phasing out from heat death.
In the New Testament references, the stars disappearing precludes the return of Christ. So I take it that the so-called fundamentalists are trying to rewrite it that he'd return right after the global thermo-nuclear war. They probably see a silver lining in global conflicts, and that's part of the reason they support every war that the US starts. ...because, after all, that's just one more sign to them that Jesus will return to save them from death.
If God is love, he's not going to return by you passively accepting all the injustice and hatred present in nuclear war. He'll on;y return through love itself and by us living through that love. If we destroy our planet with ICBM's and you played some small role in allowing that to take place, I don't think Jesus is going to return for you, because you can't serve two opposing masters, |
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I think it might mean "Stars" as in "Film Stars". The celebrity stars are the sinners and will fall when jesus returns.
Thats what I heard. |
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Kudus to JnathanK for actually digging up the actual scripture!
Its pretty clear- the "stars" ( what we now know to be distant suns) will fall like dates or leaves to earth.
The sun going dark would cause the moon go dark- so atleast that part is consistent.
I was thinking the talk about "the sky going dark", or "sky going red", or "the sun rising in the west" could all be descriptions of the Yellowstone super volcano erupting. That event would be even worse than a nuclear war and might both light up the sky (from the wrong direction) and eventually darken the world's skies.
But the Bible is pretty clear- the stars wlll "fall" like sequins onto the earth. And by "stars" it means just that.
So its not talking about a supervolcano, nor about ICBMs, nor ( since its in the context of talking about astronomical bodies) is it a metaphor for the worship of modern media celebrities "falling" when christ arives.
Its a straight ahead statement that distant suns will "fall" onto the earth's surface. So the only way it can be taken is a prediction of an event that we now know is several kinds of impossible!
Sorry Biblical literalists!
But you cant squirm out of it: the bible is predicting something that cannot happen- there is no other way to take it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| naturalplastic wrote: | Kudus to KNathan for actually digging up the actual scripture!
Its pretty clear- the "stars" ( what we now know our distant suns) will fall like dates or leaves to earth.
The sun going dark would cause the moon go dark- so atleast that part is consistent.
I was thinking the talk about "the sky going dark", or "sky going red", or "the sun rising in the west" could all be descriptions of the Yellowstone super volcano erupting. That event would be even worse than a nuclear war and might both light up the sky (from the wrong direction) and eventually darken the world's skies.
But the Bible is pretty clear- the stars wlll "fall" like sequins onto the earth. And by "stars" it means just that.
So its not talking about a supervolcano, nor about ICBMs, nor ( since its in the context of talking about astronomical bodies) is it a metaphor for the worship of modern media celebrities "falling" when christ arives.
Its a straight ahead statement that distant suns will "fall" onto the earth's surface. So the only way it can be taken is a prediction of an event that we now know is several kinds of impossible!
Sorry Biblical literalists!
But you cant squirm out of it: the bible is predicting something that cannot happen- there is no other way to take it. |
God works in mysterious ways blah blah blah etc etc etc
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