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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
An informed decision was made to use the people and methods the TSA uses specifically because it's something like 1/4 to 1/2 the cost of Israeli security. Someone felt the US market couldn't bear the cost of that type of security, and possibly also that there aren't enough experienced security professionals to even staff all US airports - that scarcity would further drive up the cost. People don't seem to understand that this was almost certainly an informed decision. The tradeoff is of course a far higher possibility of a security breach (people have boarded US planes a number of times with the intention of bringing them down since 9/11 but the TSA has never stopped anyone at an airport with the intention of bringing a plane down); also violations of civil liberties that are plainly absurd if not unconstitutional. It's kind of insulting that those civil liberties violations were chosen WITH THE INTENTION OF providing a lower level of security - with cost being the sole benefit.

Does that explanation make sense? I'm tired.

of course it's an informed decision, that's obvious. This isn't about security, it's about control. What's insulting is that most people know that it's a token act to make it appear as though the government is doing something,. Most people hate it, think it's a joke, and a violation of their rights but they would rather trade their freedom for the for the 'privilege' of flying than fight it. 236 years ago a war was fought by Americans to free themselves of government oppression, now it's unpatriotic to question the government. Or maybe they feel powerless against the government. I do know that at some point the mantle of authority was switched from the people to the government. Look at this:

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A new Transportation Security Administration initiative that lets trusted travelers bypass the airport screening line is on the verge of an ambitious expansion. By the end of the year, PreCheck, a government program that offers expedited screening to those who submit to an initial background check, is expected to be available in 35 airports.


This is some pretty Orwellian sh**. Submit to a background check so the government considers you trusted enough to pass through security without being frisked. So now there are 2 types of citizens; the trusted and the untrusted. I wonder who the trusted people will be... maybe rich white people? People without AS, without ADD, BPD, etc, etc. I would bet money that if you or I applied and had a ASD dx we would be denied. I'm sure the government will gladly permanently keep your fingerprints and personal info in the untrusted file though.


I leave you with the future Untrusted....


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NEW YORK -- A terminal at New York's JFK Airport had to be evacuated and hundreds of passengers marched back through security screening Saturday, all because one Transport Security Administration (TSA) agent failed to realize his metal detector had been unplugged, sources said.

The stunning error led to hours of delays, two planes called back from the runway and infinite frustration for furious passengers.

"The truth is, this is the failure of the most basic level of diligence," a law-enforcement source said.

"How can you expect the public to feel confident of the mission of the TSA if they don't even know if the lights are turned on?"

The chaos at Terminal 7 was caused by screener Alija Abdul Majed, who had manned Lane No. 1 during the morning shift with no idea his metal detector had no juice, sources said.

Amazingly, he failed to realize that alert lights never flashed once as streams of passengers filed through the dead detector, the sources said.

Majed was so clueless that he could not even tell police how long the machine had been shut off or how it happened, the sources said.

"It was simply an unplugged machine -- the TSA doing its best," another source said.

Higher-ups at the TSA finally discovered the security boondoggle at 9:44am -- leaving the Port Authority with no choice but to call for a complete evacuation of the international terminal that is home to British Airways, Cathay Pacific, United Airlines and others.

The extraordinary measure meant that two jumbo jets -- including a San Francisco-bound United flight -- had to return to the gate so passengers could be re-screened at a metal detector that was actually turned on.

The TSA would not confirm or deny that its detector had been unplugged, releasing a statement saying only that a metal detector suffered a "malfunction."


http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/18865138/jfk-airport-evacuated-after-tsa-agents-metal-detector-found-to-be-unplugged
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to fly on a fairly regular basis, and I've never had an issue with TSA at all. The only thing I've found is that my checked bag has been one of those randomly chosen for a search, when I reached the destination and found the little card in my suitcase on top of everything. The thing is that I had gotten so used to taking off my shoes before going through the metal detector that I almost took off my shoes at the courthouse entrance when I had jury duty and saw the metal detector.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADoyle90815 wrote:
I tend to fly on a fairly regular basis, and I've never had an issue with TSA at all. The only thing I've found is that my checked bag has been one of those randomly chosen for a search, when I reached the destination and found the little card in my suitcase on top of everything. The thing is that I had gotten so used to taking off my shoes before going through the metal detector that I almost took off my shoes at the courthouse entrance when I had jury duty and saw the metal detector.


I fly regularly too, sometimes multiple times in a single day. I find the delay getting through security to be almost intolerable, especially since whether I am directed to the backscatter machine is a crap shoot and if I am I have to opt out and get the pat down, which wastes even more time. It bothers me that the whole sh** could be bypassed by a terrorist with a surgically implanted explosive.
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