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richardbenson
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i pretty much have a neanderthal shaped face 
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SteveK
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| rdos wrote: | | Prof_Pretorius wrote: | | Anyway, there's plenty of evidence that Neanderthals had a belief in an afterlife, and the steretypical image of them being stooped and hairy is all wrong. |
Not all of the stereotypes need be wrong. The view of dumb brutes certainly is not correct, but I cannot imagine them surviving in Ice-age Europe naked. That idea seems pretty far-fetched for me. Modern humans needed to "invent" cloth and shelters before they could live in this climate, but there is no evidence that Neanderthals had these. That speaks pretty much in favor of effective climate adaptations like a thick fur-coat. Not only that, the question in the quiz about being hairer than other people ended up as being correlated to autism. I bet the dislike for hairy creatures is correlated to NTs. |
I don't know. I can survive pretty COLD climates. I was just out in 9F degree weather.(about -13C) It wasn't that bad. My hands and face were certainly naked, so I had a good idea how cold it was. A lot of autistics are hyposensitive to the cold. Besides, who is to say they didn't have hides, etc...
ALSO, NTs DO like hairy creatures. Some cultures just have an idea of what is preferred for humans. That DOES vary by culture though.
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mkultra
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wisdom teeth, ginger gene
this could be differences we can still see.
i think this hypothesis would include many others.
it would mean that autism would be very common in parts of france, spain, scotland, ireland, scandinavia, usa, australia...
but would it be able to explain the waves in incidence of autism?
this waves... for years they are able to stopp autoimmune reaction against the fetus, if mother is rh+ and father is rh-. many autoimmune reactions starts after offspring. some thought that vaccine would explain this (rubella and a vaccine against rhesus incompatibility) maybe some vaccines has been taken from serum of (rhesus-?)apes.
which criteria are to match from an autism hypothesis?
...starting crazy mode
...crazy mode established
...brain suppression activated
and read this:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=358295
first case of multiple sclerosis after visit from british troops. anywhere i read most of them was scottish. in wwii many people take flight to other areas. many soldiers stayed at the new place. your ms risk is the risk of the area you life when you are 15 years old. i think this is in many cases after the first sexual activities.
sperm cools down the immune system of a female, a switch happens from th1 to th2 - a pregnancy with this partner is now possible. donīt know if it would also cool down the immune system from a male (aids...?)
this means not that some of them would be a natural biological weapon. it is more like an incompatibility.
edit: this repair kit from fetus (microchimerism) could be a modification kit (biological assimilation) |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have been called swamp-ape. I spent a lot of time out there, a peaceful place. Can't see very far, Little of it is solid enough to run on, so sound becomes very important, particularly at night. Little sounds and touchs let you know when you are being hunted, and when a snake is crawling over you. Water moccians run five foot, and thick as an arm. If you get bit, no problem, pick a tree, sit with your back against it, and watch the visions, till you die.
If you sit very still, it will warm it's self, stay for a while, and then go on. You are too large to eat, and if it has no reeason, it will save venom. Coral snakes bite is never fatal, it fits with Mescalin, Phycillaciben, morphine, which are drugs because they are natural brain chemicals, it gives waking dreams and messages. The small things they eat must be very happy as they are swallowed.
Gators are another matter, and at three hundred pounds, can move very quitely in the night. There is more going on at night, and gators hunt by stalking, they move and stop, wait, then when there is a covering sound, move again. They do not hurry. They advance, stop, wait, and a quarter hour may go by, they study the ground, plan the move, and when a bird cries in the night, advance again, quickly, then freeze. Move at a time, they close in, they do not care how long it takes, till they are close, then they move in a beautiful slow motion, in silence. The only sound perhaps a leaf or twig, brushing against their hide.
Being able to track small intermittent sound throught he night, pick them from the background, put the bits together, is the only way to know you are being hunted. Direction and range are very important, for when I hear it coming, I listen closely for sound from that spot, but do not forget to listen all around.
Their movement looks and sounds like a shadow of a tree, cast by the moon, they move that slowly, and the shadow advances. From twenty foot away they watch, and when you look away, they charge with amazing speed, still silent, and at the last, open their huge tooth studded mouths, to sieze you, then roll toward water, the rolling wraps you around their body, and it is like a steam roller, breaking most of your bones. Rolling into the water they hide you beneath a sunken tree, their larder, for they like their meat well hung. Chateau Briand, Tatar.
Blond in youth, then turned a copper, and by thirty-five brown. I took a litle girl out in the swamp, Did my gator call, and was answered by a half dozen, I pointed out where they were, and how large. My call is of a male gator, large enough to fight. So the big boys let me know where their claims are. We talked for a while, I called in another direction, and peace was restored. She has told the story several times, no one believes her, but she knows.
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krex
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Just some quick things that I think would make being a Neanderthal aspie more difficult.......
I am clummsy as heck,always tripping over my feet and running into doorways or miss judging distances.Wouldnt be unlikely for me to walk off a cliff or get distracted by a plant while the rest of my clan hits the trail....I look up 20 min later and find myself ....alone...oooops.My written communication is better then my verbal.I find tags in clothing uncomfortable....dont know how I would react to inadequately scrapped fur clothing....(I do love the feel of fur on my face but I dont think the inside would feel very good to my skin...kind of itchy?)
I have always had an interest in nature...watching and collecting bits of it,so I think I would enjoy being an "inventor" finding new uses for plants,wood,making arrowheads.I love to climb things and push my body to the extream .Sounds more fun then most of my jobs but I will scratch a mosquito bite until it bleeds and then enjoy picking the scabs for then next few weeks....not to good for avoiding infection?
All in all,true or not,I think it's fun to think about and imagine...... 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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"Many autistics are afraid of the sound of a motor-bike. A motor-bike sounds similar to a bear. It is possible that the instintive reaction of autistics when they hear the sound of a motor-bike triggers an ancient fear for cave-bears. "
HAHAHA
"Autistics have a fascination for slowly flowing water, but are afraid of floods and fast running streams."
We are? I'd like to see that scientific study and know who funded it!
I really like Neanderthals, especially that cute little child in the picture, but I just can't believe this. |
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postpaleo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| SteveK wrote: | | Prof_Pretorius wrote: | Duh, slow on the uptake there ...
Anyway, there's plenty of evidence that Neanderthals had a belief in an afterlife, and the steretypical image of them being stooped and hairy is all wrong. |
From wikipedia:
Brontosaurus (pronounced /ˈbɹɒn.təˌsɔː.ɹəs/), meaning "thunder lizard" (from the Greek brontē/βροντη meaning 'thunder' and sauros/σαυρος meaning 'lizard'), is a deprecated genus of sauropod dinosaurs.
TRANSLATION? OOPS! We made a mistake, and put it together wrong! The stegasaurus and others were ALSO put together wrong! Do they have them right now? DOUBTFUL! Especially when yu consider notarity, acceptance, etc...
Don't you just LOVE archeology?(sarc)
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The above examples aren't archeology. They be the bone men and they have a rep in the field as being crazier then we were and that isn't easy.  Studing the past isn't easy. We made a lot of mistakes and left it to others to find other pieces of the puzzle, that disputed what we thought. It's like umpiring a baseball game for the first time. You have to be perfect the first time and then get better. 
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postpaleo
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"And NOW they find an older caucasion in MONGOLIA!"
I'm not singling you out, honest. There are "caucasion" remians in the USA and no date on them, other then they appear to be older then what is currently the main stream thought of what "native americans" means. To change the nay sayers minds you most often have to have the perfect site, undisputable and there aren't that many that come to light, so it's often piece meal. Pre history is a tough one to crack. So much is destroyed everyday.
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postpaleo
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| ZanneMarie wrote: | I don't know if it's proven, but it is pretty widely accepted that Neandertal man was lighter and Cro-Magnon was darker. The reason is because lighter skin improves the chances of Vitamin D intake in colder climates with less sunlight. More Melanin protected against skin cancer in climates with more sun. Or, so that is what the most accepted theory says.
Neandertals did have shelters and had some tools. I'm pretty certain bone needles were among that. The biggest differences had to do with available food source. They were mostly hunters.
Cro-Magnons came from a more diverse area and had adapted different food sources based on that. As they moved North, they adapted. It's speculated that Neadertals either died out or disappeared through interbreeding. I didn't think they had found DNA proof of that yet.
As to blonds, less than 1.8% of the world population is blonde and 1% is redhead. Only 4% of the world population carries the redhead gene. Blonde and red is all over both sides of my family until this newest, but that's because my ancestors come from Germany and Ireland solely and only in the last generation did they start marrying people with dark hair. But, we still have reds pop up. I have a cousin with dark hair who married a man with dark hair, yet all the kids have carrot tops. So, they probably both had the gene.
Based on a 2001 Oxford University study, some commentators speculated that Neanderthals had red hair, and that some red-headed and freckled humans today share some genetic heritage with Neanderthals.[8][9] Other researchers disagree, [6] and some of the scientists who conducted the study claim this is a misinterpretation of their findings.[7] However, in November 2006, a paper was published in the U.S. journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, in which a team of European researchers report that Neanderthals and humans may have interbred, although no reference was made to red hair.[10]
That's from http://www.answers.com/red%20hair. |
Pretty close to what I understand, depends on which of the pros you talk to. The one exception that I'd like to toss into the stew is the size of Neanderthals heads made birthing pretty rough. They lost more people both mother and child in the process. Hence thier space was more easily lost to the newcomers. there were just less of them. Some indication of cross mating as well, that's ify though.
Europe wasn't my area. I'm more Northeastern U.S., with a touch of Midatlantic. there are certian aspects of the arch. world that are very tough to "break" into. The Southwest of the US is one. England is another. I got an invite for England, I didn't take it. I had an invite for South America, didn't take it. I was going to take the Pacific, but the wife stepped in. I would have had to be gone for, long time ago and I sorta forgot, a year, maybe it was two. She was jealous (don't read this Wife), we traveled together, she was one as well. We could have traveled the world doing it. But you know what? I find the stuff in my own back yard as interesting as anything that the rest of the world can offer. So many mysterys yet. I miss it and the people alot, but I know I'll never be able to do it again. That's cool too. There is more to get interested in.
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postpaleo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Inventor wrote: | | Hunting is not a group activity. |
I would argue that point, but not here. Would you expect any different from me?
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SteveK
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| postpaleo wrote: | | Inventor wrote: | | Hunting is not a group activity. |
I would argue that point, but not here. Would you expect any different from me?
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I guess we'll never really know how WHITE or ASIAN tribes acted, or even if they really existed, but other races HAVE hunted in packs. They act almost like wolves with some larger game.
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postpaleo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| SteveK wrote: | | postpaleo wrote: | | Inventor wrote: | | Hunting is not a group activity. |
I would argue that point, but not here. Would you expect any different from me?
postpaleo |
I guess we'll never really know how WHITE or ASIAN tribes acted, or even if they really existed, but other races HAVE hunted in packs. They act almost like wolves with some larger game.
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The main thrust of my rebuttal would be pretty simple. The hunting metheods change according to the tech level of the tools. Current thought, and this is simplistic but fairly close, hunting was a group activity till the advent of the bow and arrow. (actually each advance had this underlying tone to it, not just, whoosh, the bow, we can do it now) With the bow and arrow, then it was more of a singular action. A big improvement, as now more smaller groups could "spread out" so to speak, cover more area, thus improving the chances for the kill. Now having said that and looking carefuly at the techs involved I might therorize that in many cases it would still be a group, although much smaller, say in a small group of 2 or 3. The why I think this is, the skeletal remains of males shows many "scares" ie bone breaks, which would indicate that much or at least some of the males daily activities were dangerous. Not just hunting, in contact period cultures, it is the more common for males to do most of the far ranging travels, which was no small undertaking and travel they did, much further then most people know. Prehistoric trade routes are astounding to me, hundreds and hundreds of miles would be very common. It would there for make sense to me, to survive these misfortunes, a partner or 2 would be a common sense approach. One of the things that strikes me so heavily about precontact man in the Americas, is common sense, they had it in spades.
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krex
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Postpaleo......I live in Minnesota and recently heard on NPR,about a new "dig" that may prove stone age man in this area.Do you know what I am talking about and have any links about it?This was about two weeks ago and they have mentioned it again....I hate when the news peaks my interest and then........nothing.(except more stories about Anna Nicole,bah)
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postpaleo
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| krex wrote: | | Postpaleo......I live in Minnesota and recently heard on NPR,about a new "dig" that may prove stone age man in this area.Do you know what I am talking about and have any links about it?This was about two weeks ago and they have mentioned it again....I hate when the news peaks my interest and then........nothing.(except more stories about Anna Nicole,bah) |
Umm not sure what NPR is? I'm also not sure what you might mean by "stone age man", I think I might though. There is hardly a spot on the north or south american continants that the Native Americans weren't there. Even if you see no physical evidance of them passing through, you can bet they were. There are digs happening all the time. There is a reason they don't make the papers or news. When you're under the gun to get something done in a set period of time and time almost always is your enemy, you want and would like to do more with a site then is most often allowed. Very very few sites are ever done 100%, it's a crying shame. I mean some part of it should always be left for others with better methods to relook at, but in the pro world, you're there because the site is going to be destroyed. If my crew had trowels or brushes in their hands they'd better have a good reason, the shovel is the most common tool to use. When people come to visit, you have to stop work to answer the questions, while you might like to answer them all, you just can't. Another reason is looters, they come in during the dig, at night, and try and find stuff, not cool. Bad science. A small fact, for every hour you spend having fun in the feild, you end up doing 2 at the office, rough guess, but close.
When I ran jobs, crew chief it was called, it was my task to keep the site seers at bay from my crew. I didn't mind, but I had to keep things a head of the crew so they had more to go to when they had completed what they were doing, so it was a pain in a way. Lol, we had t-shirts made for the most common questions. One that always popped up was, "did you find any gold", my reply was always, no and even if I did they wouldn't let me keep it. At one point I used to even keep a big piece of fool's gold in my notes box, they'd pop up and ask about gold and I'd flash them the big nugget and say, "you mean this stuff?". The other most common was did we find any dinosaur bones, we weren't the bone men, we delt with man and his bad habits.
Trust me, there are probably more cultures that fit the stone age in your area then 99% of the people know about. In my small area of the world I can count at the very least 22 differant cultures with in a 25 mile radius from where I sit.
Humm, links, my links are sort of dead anymore. I mean I can still find people I worked with and for on the net. But I don't think that's what you're asking. Most states have an amature arch org. Some are very very good and active. You might want to try your state museum, for info.
Is Anna still dead? lol
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This links to the site I first heard about this ...NPR=National Public Radio.......This is our local afiliate,MPR(MinnesotaPR)
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/01/12/stonetools/
This was the last I heard.....I thought you might of heard of an update about this.They made it sound like a major discovery but said it might prove false.
Guess it wasnt a major discovery?Thanks for replying anyway.
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