Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:45 am Post subject: Grand Bargain & Obama's 2nd term
More of the same and some further policy lurches to the right are what one can expect from Obama's 2nd term. I'd speculate that there's a 45% chance that the GOP will turn to impeachment if Obama's re-elected. _________________ http://www.voterocky.org/
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am Post subject:
i would say there's a 100% chance of them trying to pull a stunt like that. again. but he will lose to romney in a backroom-engineered squeaker. then the bloodletting will begin.
It would be mostly gridlock. If they reach any agreements it will be on taxes and budgets. I don't think you'd see any sweeping legislation but mucho rhetoric and fist shaking.
His only purpose from a liberal perspective would be to pick justices and make sure the Bush tax cuts die.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:42 am Post subject:
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Grand Bargain & Obama's 2nd term
Master_Pedant wrote:
More of the same and some further policy lurches to the right are what one can expect from Obama's 2nd term. I'd speculate that there's a 45% chance that the GOP will turn to impeachment if Obama's re-elected.
They will need to control the House of Representatives to do that.
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc. _________________ Et in Arcadia ego. - "Even in Arcadia, there am I."
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
Depends on how you look at it and who we're looking at.....
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
Depends on how you look at it and who we're looking at.....
No, it really doesn't. Any second-term president is pretty much in the exact same boat, with only four years to leave a mark on history other than, "Meh, he was kinda okay." If you want to accuse President Obama of being morally bankrupt, then just go out and say it - you wouldn't be the first - but the reasoning you just gave for it is fairly bogus no matter WHICH president (past or future) one is talking about. _________________ Et in Arcadia ego. - "Even in Arcadia, there am I."
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
Depends on how you look at it and who we're looking at.....
Republicans have made a cottage industry out of vilifying the president - then quickly have come to believe their own propaganda that he's this horrible person.
