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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:56 am Post subject:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki, even if one would attempt to mask the smell of crap with perfumes, the very chemicals that cause the smell (which is composed primarily of sulfur-based compounds called thiols) are still existent, and the smell of crap will still be there, no matter what. As for the leopard and the crow, what I was trying to say is that they cannot change their colours at will. But you know what? You proved a good point. A leopard and a crow can have intervention to have their colours changed -- but then, they will never be the same again. Paradoxically, however, they still remain a leopard and a crow.

But most of your statements said never. If I sprayed an entire canister of axe on a turd then smelled it then it would not smell like a turd.

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:58 am Post subject:

Um... I guess you got it wrong, Delphiki. A turd is a turd. And even if you spray an entire can of Axe on it, it will still smell like turd. And I never said Autism Speaks has changed. Yes, they may be like leopards whose colours have changed thanks to "intervention," but they still are leopards. Brutal, treacherous, and still vicious. So don't put words into my mouth, Delphiki. You are given no privilege to do so. _________________ And now, the war resumes. Bring it on, you!

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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject:

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Um... I guess you got it wrong, Delphiki. A turd is a turd. And even if you spray an entire can of Axe on it, it will still smell like turd.

And I never said Autism Speaks has changed. Yes, they may be like leopards whose colours have changed thanks to "intervention," but they still are leopards. Brutal, treacherous, and still vicious. So don't put words into my mouth, Delphiki. You are given no privilege to do so.

I never said it changed from being a turd. But it would smell like axe, not a turd.

I never said I had the privilege to put words in your mouth (unless I am feeding you alphabet soup I do not see how that is possible), I was saying what I got from your analogy. How is Autism Speaks Brutal, treacherous, and still vicious?
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

You never said that it changed from a turd -- that I agree. But like I am pointing out to you, and in the chemical sense, the molecules that cause the turd to smell obnoxious are still present in the air, and even a canister of Axe won't eliminate them. It's more of like a short-term goal to mask the smell, but the long-term goal is to clean up the turd. Besides, no one in their right mind would spray a whole canister of Axe on turd in an attempt to make it smell like flower, wouldn't they?

And just to make things clear, you saying this:

Delphiki wrote:

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.

is putting words in someone's mouth.

Brutal, well, not as much. Treacherous, obviously. Vicious, it's an understatement.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.

is putting words in someone's mouth.

Brutal, well, not as much. Treacherous, obviously. Vicious, it's an understatement.

You said the turd would never small different but you just said that short term axe would mask the smell. So you just agreed with me on that.

I was saying what I got from your analogy. That was my interpretation.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.

is putting words in someone's mouth.

Brutal, well, not as much. Treacherous, obviously. Vicious, it's an understatement.

Uh... no, I didn't agree with you on that premise. You said "remove," I said "mask." And masking isn't the same as removing.

And again, please stop that tactic of adding additional meaning into my words. That really turns me off from you.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.

is putting words in someone's mouth.

Brutal, well, not as much. Treacherous, obviously. Vicious, it's an understatement.

the first post about perfume tires I did not say remove.

We will need someone else to say who wins lol
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.

is putting words in someone's mouth.

Brutal, well, not as much. Treacherous, obviously. Vicious, it's an understatement.

if you mixed fecal matter with enough alchohol,bleach or gasoline it would kill the bacteria that causes the bad odor
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

theimperiousdork wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

So autism speaks has changed for the better but it is still an autism organization. I now understand what you were saying.

is putting words in someone's mouth.

Brutal, well, not as much. Treacherous, obviously. Vicious, it's an understatement.

the first post about perfume tires I did not say remove.

We will need someone else to say who wins lol

i already said ID won the first 3 points and delphiki won the fourth
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject:

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Aghogday, whilst I agree with you on the premise that humans aren't innately evil and that there are indeed some who find the smell of crap pleasant (however perverse that must be), what I was trying to say is that no leopard nor crow can change their colour at will. (Actually, the picture of the "leopard" you offered was that of a black panther, a member of the cat family, to which the leopard also belongs. A white crow? Quite strange.) And I was not talking about humans -- I am talking about a group. Now in the spiritual sense, nothing, specifically humans, is innately evil, and that goes to Autism Speaks as well as to everyone else. But not in the moral sense. Autism Speaks isn't human -- it it a corporation. Autism Speaks was created for a malicious purpose, and even if they strive to change, no one forgets their highly offensive tactics, which to some may be "blunders," but vile ones nonetheless.

White crows are albino crows, albino being a rare mutation seen among most animals in the animal kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panther

Just on the semantic point, that was a picture of a black leopard. Also referred to as a black panther per the melanistic color variant, but it is the same animal as a leopard, Panthera Pardus, in the family Felidae.

Cougars are commonly referred to as panthers, when they have the normal color of a cougar or what is often referred to as a mountain lion in the US..

Interesting below that there is the possibility of very rare black panthers which are black tigers per this melanistic color variant. Black panthers that are cougars with this melanistic color variant also potentially exist.

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A black panther is typically a melanistic color variant of any of several species of larger cat. In Latin America, wild 'black panthers' may be black jaguars (Panthera onca); in Asia and Africa, black leopards (Panthera pardus); in Asia, possibly the very rare black tigers (Panthera tigris); and in North America they may be black jaguars or possibly black cougars (Puma concolor – although this has not been proven to have a black variant), or smaller cats.[1][2]

Technically the founder as quoted on the website created autism speaks and that catchy phrase "autism speaks", per concern over his grandson whom developed regressive autism, as well concern that the families disenfranchised would have a voice in society to express their concerns associated with their children with similar problems like his grandson had.

Autism speaks presented some harsh realities associated with autism, in their early marketing attempts, to gain empathy and support from others for the condition, but there is nothing vile about that, just misunderstood by some, as well as taken as an offense by some, where Autism Speaks was willing to adapt to that perceived offense, and moderate their marketing technique.

In the sense that it offended others unintentionally, Autism Speaks was willing to admit it was a misstep because the organization did not predict that there would be significant offense taken.

Every organization makes missteps, all the way from a fast food restaurant to the largest most reliably viewed organizations, but it is certainly not necessarily an indication of malicious intent or vile behavior. Organizations and the individuals that comprise those organizations do not have an omnipresent nature, they must all include customer service aspects to adapt to constructive customer criticism if they are to survive in a competitive world, including charitable organizations.

Per that reality, Autism speaks is going to encounter missteps as an organization just as any other organization or human being, that is not going to realistically change for any organization or any human being, however it is not evidenced that per overall cultural norms of society, or evidenced legal infractions that the charitable organization autism speaks meets standards any lower than any other autism related organizations.

There are those that believe that all large organizations and businesses are evil, have malicious intent, as well as practicing vile behavior, but it is a common stereotype one hears and some believe, just as there is the common stereotype that a black panther is a separate animal from a black leopard, a black jaguar or in those potential rare cases a black tiger or a black cougar which is further removed from the species of "Big Cat" that are part of the panthera classification that Lions, Cougars, Tigers, and Jaguars are part of.

The common element is the difference in melanistic color that provides the general descriptor of black panther. It would be awesome to see a black male lion, but no reports of those, except the recent "photo-shopped" one of a White Albino Lion.

The melanistic mutation in black panthers is similar to the lack of melanistic pigmentation in the White Crow and the White Lion. The White lion not nearly as striking as the black panther, a rare and beautiful animal.

Anyway, the highest reputed organizations are evidenced as making missteps occasionally, and there are those that do not forgive missteps regardless of the attempt to reconcile the problem, and there are those that usually ignore missteps as there are bigger fish to fry in life. In the general scheme of life the missteps autism speaks has made have been missteps of communication, without any evidenced potential of life or death consequences, however for some if the fries are not quite hot enough at a fast food restaurant, it is like the end of the world is coming.

It is an evidenced clinical feature that many individuals with autism see intent where there is no real intention, an issue of social communication, as well as not seeing intent when it is there. And it is more than apparent per the evidence that exists, available at anyone's finger tips, that there is a great deal of intent associated in autistic online communities with autism speaks that is not evidenced as fact.

It is why it is important to have non-autistic individuals working in organizations associated with the public, whom do not have social communication impairments; those strengths are an organizational requirement in dealing with the public, however the detail, systemizing oriented strengths are necessary as well that many individuals with autistic like traits, have strengths in.

I bring up that Autism Speaks fact sheet on the ASAN website quite a few times, because it appears that there isn't enough diversity among the team in that organization, to point out and correct obvious flaws in fact gathering as well as what appears to be misunderstandings of communication in rhetoric, that can be discerned, if one looks a little further to the facts as well as to the logical structure of the communication.

I likely wouldn't notice if I wasn't a detail seeker, nor would I likely have noticed that Leopards are the same animals as Black Leopards commonly referred to as Black Panthers. Lots of detail seekers working to make Wiki what it is. But interesting at times to see the battles between the detail seekers, in determining intention, in the talk pages.

After all, whom else would seek to spend a great deal of their free time constructing an encyclopedia for free, other than a detail seeker. That shines through on Wiki. Smile

It is part of the same problem where some took the I Am Autism video as a literal representation of the individual instead of the associated symptoms of a disorder, producing significant disabling symptoms in that individual.

This social communication problem associated with missing metaphor in language, is a common feature seen in autism, and part of what leads to confusion of intention, whether one misses it, or sees intention not intended.

If one is having this problem there is the potential of no reference point per awareness, to see the miscommunication that exists, regardless of how hard one attempts to explain it. It is more of limiting factor in life for some than others.

Perception of what we expect to see is an interesting phenomenon, never seeing a black lion before, with the upper body bulk evidenced in the lion above, it really does look like a different species of animal, but it is only a different photo-shopped color. My mind was trying to make it into a bear or a gorilla, because that was what it was accustomed to seeing in that bulk and fur color category, however I understand this is how the mind works, so I wasn't thinking I was seeing things. Some people see autism speaks in a similar manner but it is part of that common human illusion process that makes sense out of the presence depending on the experiences of the past.

Also an important part of why constant attempts to provide clarification in misunderstanding in communication between human beings is so important, and why one sees customer service elements everywhere one looks toward organized efforts.

Interesting too, that ASAN is one of the few Autism related organizations where there is no clear method of feedback and assurance that one will receive a reply. But, it appears that comes with the territory.

Customer service not particularly a strength, for all with autism spectrum disorders. If the organization ever intends to raise significant funds they will likely have to hire some "raging metaphorical filled" non-autistic individuals and accept their advice, not unlike what they suggest Autism Speaks should do from the opposite point of view.

Those people though, do exist in the research division of the organization, as well as a likely multitude more within the broader phenotype of autism. One would expect those with strong marketing and social/communication skills in the awareness and fundraising aspect of the organization. Well run organizations put people in jobs, that suit their strength in skills. And people, in general, who fit in square or round holes, are happier overall being where they do not move to far out of their comfort zone as human beings. Smile

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject:

A plan to destroy Autism Speaks, has had other results. While there was some disagreement, but understandable due to their Neurotypical Disorder, that was clearly expressed, just where they showed a lack of social skills, and they were given many examples of how they could behave, without sounding dumb or dangerous. Alex only showed them a wide range of community thoughts and values, which ranged from, I do not like them, to they need better Marketing, as they are offending the people they should be seeking the support and approval of. There was also some commenting on the people they were dealing with, and their motives. Psychology, Drug Companies, University based Research. Some research was valid, Genetic Studies I followed, but there are and have never been any drugs directly for autism, and a differance of Neurology does not fall under Psychology. Autism is more like being born with six fingers or three, which is outside the range of Psychology. They know nothing of custom glove makers. The other side of that is people with six fingers are not the best choice to study people with six fingers. Not when most are children and the number has tripled in California in the last decade. Drug Companies are not going to stop it, Psychology is not going to stop it, and as last I heard, 1 in 66, and growing, 1 in 20 is a major economic problem, shows something we are not doing right, and we better get it together soon. I have far ranging potential causes, I liked Lead, which from the time it became common in gas, 1950, twenty years later we had a crime wave, and for those born twenty years after Lead was greatly reduced, crime has dropped for unknown reasons, now being credited to Lead. Crime peaked 1970 to 1990, then declined. Autism has risen from 1990. It does not fit the Lead curve. We did produce about 80,000 new chemicals a year for the last fifty years, and one of those might be causing autism. Autism Speaks, Psychology, Drug Companies, are not suited to finding out just what is causing it, but at least Autism Speaks raises money, and can do directed research. As a fall back, no cause is found, get ready for an autistic population, Autism Speaks is funding that line. Like our Headline story, How To Flirt, Neurotypicals would never discover the need for a school on their own, :You just do it!" Before people who say "What?" no one would ever develop the Science of Flirting, and would have just stuck with natural talents, or lack there of. I can see this being of great general benefit for the future, and for teens who are also Flirt Impaired. The six fingered gang, with their hand lettered cardboard signs denounceing Flirting, are not going to influence anyone. Objecting to learning the mating rituals of the major species is going to impair your mating. Having a problem with girls making eye contact across the room, sending signals, is strictly your problem. I for one would learn Chinese to keep up. It can be taught, learned, used, and just because it does not come natural, I have enough other natural feelings to overcome any objection. I would like to see many more subjects broken down to steps and meanings. We may never find out about autism, but we could bring some sense to wider human behavior. Psychology is all about finding flaws, we need something that starts with the idea all are flawed, and need a tuneup. If we were all a few percent better humans, our social and economic world would improve.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:28 am Post subject:

Inventor wrote:

I would like to see many more subjects broken down to steps and meanings. We may never find out about autism, but we could bring some sense to wider human behavior.

Psychology is all about finding flaws, we need something that starts with the idea all are flawed, and need a tuneup.

If we were all a few percent better humans, our social and economic world would improve.

I second that emotion.

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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject:

This thread has devolved into arguing about turds?!?!?! Lock the thread please!!! imo _________________ Since the birth of civilization, masters have controlled the masses.Our Masters rule over every nation and no one can defy them.They will attain Absolute Power as we reach the Singularity. Any who resist will be destroyed.I will not resist.

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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject:

Umm actually, the thread had petered out and finally died a month ago - until you resurrected it to say it should be locked... _________________ Giraffe: a ruminant with a view.

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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:46 am Post subject:

Chris71 wrote:

A sweeping statement indeed about a presumed dislike of an organisation

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But their also fully-funding a way to indentify if a foetus is autistic and then give their parents a choice whether to abort, they want to eradicate autistics from the face of the earth.

Errm, there was a poll on WP asking if we would rather not have been born. Most responses were "yes".
I certainly wish I had been terminated before birth.

The pain, oversensory issues, not being able to enjoy social situations is a disability more than a special ability. Something that I, for one, am not proud of.

I'm sorry, but I find this to be an incredibly short-sighted view point. I don't know if you're atheist, Taoist, catholic, or Hindu, but whatever your view is on the afterlife, certainly the small amount of pleasure in any life is better than non-knowing oblivion or endless torment. I also find this to be a selfish view. None of us have the wisdom or foresight to be able to tell the exact extent of an action, nevertheless the ramifications of a single existence. As far as we know, if you as a person had never existed, we could currently be living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, surrounded by aliens who look like penises. A extreme example, I know, but the point remains the same. You don't know what the world would be like if you weren't here. Our brains are not wired to calculate such What-If paradoxes, and thus we have no place believing that things would be better if this or that had not happened. And once again, it's selfish for you to believe so, because you do not know if things are better or (More likely.) worse without you and your actions.
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