amboxer21
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1000knives here is a race result sheet from 2009.
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I think it is a crappy time. 5 minutes and 57 seconds a mile.. I could have done better!! 6th place isn't so bad though. Compared to the hundreds of people racing right?
Oh my real name is Anthony Guevara BTW. So you know who to look for in the results. |
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Palakol
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| Oh no offense taken actually. I guess this is what we get for not being able to "read" the tone of the sentence. Haha. Anyway, yeah do your running drills. But if you ask me all the isolation work is kind of a waste of time. If you're bodybuilding, concentrate on bodybuilding (i.e. getting huge and defined and symmetrical). Isolation work and targeting specific muscles is only used for fine-tuning your physique. Bodybuilding while training for something is not the most expedient thing to do. "Confucius say man who chase two rabbits catch neither." If you are training for function, try the Crossfit website. They specialize in General Physical Preparedness (GPP). (Actually you can read these two articles from their site: http://journal.crossfit.com/2002/10/what-is-fitness-by-greg-glassm.tpl, and http://journal.crossfit.com/2002/04/foundations.tpl) If you are just working out your upper body just to work out, I still suggest training for function. It's much quicker and useful. |
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yellowtamarin
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| amboxer21 wrote: | | yellowtamarin wrote: | | I notice that you are training your upper body (weights) for a few days in a row, then resting for a few days. Have you thought of spreading the weights out a bit? When you are working your chest, for example, other upper body parts will be working as well, albeit to a lesser extent, so you won't be really allowing them to rest. When you are going through DOMS in your shoulders, you will be working them again with the plyometrics. Could you do some of the weights on the weekend? Just a thought. |
Thanks for the feedback! I have isolated shoulders and upper back with on Tuesday. Wednesday i have pecs. To be honest the butterflies do hit my shoulders a bit but not much. Mostly outter pectorials. The upperbody plyometrics are very light weights and use fast twitch muscles mostly.
I thought the entire weekend would be good enough rest?
So, how would you suggest i do it? Please elaborate. I am always open to new and better things!! |
It's been a while since I've gotten into the theory of weight training, but basically you just want to make sure you don't overwork delicate muscles like the shoulders, so just make sure they are not overworked, and they get enough rest. You say on shoulders day you do "various exercises", I'd just be a bit careful here that you are not doing too many.
If I was going to change anything in terms of the schedule, I'd probably move one of the weights days to Sunday or something like that.
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amboxer21
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| yellowtamarin wrote: | | amboxer21 wrote: | | yellowtamarin wrote: | | I notice that you are training your upper body (weights) for a few days in a row, then resting for a few days. Have you thought of spreading the weights out a bit? When you are working your chest, for example, other upper body parts will be working as well, albeit to a lesser extent, so you won't be really allowing them to rest. When you are going through DOMS in your shoulders, you will be working them again with the plyometrics. Could you do some of the weights on the weekend? Just a thought. |
Thanks for the feedback! I have isolated shoulders and upper back with on Tuesday. Wednesday i have pecs. To be honest the butterflies do hit my shoulders a bit but not much. Mostly outter pectorials. The upperbody plyometrics are very light weights and use fast twitch muscles mostly.
I thought the entire weekend would be good enough rest?
So, how would you suggest i do it? Please elaborate. I am always open to new and better things!! |
It's been a while since I've gotten into the theory of weight training, but basically you just want to make sure you don't overwork delicate muscles like the shoulders, so just make sure they are not overworked, and they get enough rest. You say on shoulders day you do "various exercises", I'd just be a bit careful here that you are not doing too many. If I was going to change anything in terms of the schedule, I'd probably move one of the weights days to Sunday or something like that. |
Then switch I will. I will see how it goes. I guess I will move shoulders to saturday. Maybe Sunday. I am not sure which day I am going to chose but I will start this monday with the new routine. |
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1000Knives
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| amboxer21 wrote: | | 1000Knives wrote: | Yeah, but with the huge lower body lift numbers, I got crappy upper body lift numbers. I think my bench is probably like 115 or 135 or something.
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Wow dude thats pretty low! If you worked on your upper body like you did your lower body, you'd give arnold swartzenegger a run for his money lol Im exaggerating but you get the point!
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I know on an incline (only bench I use with any frequency) my max is 40lbs per side. This is at 195 bodyweight, I'd like to cut to 180-175. For upper body exercise, my favorite is strict standing overhead presses, as you gotta brace your spine for it, so it gives more "core" workout. My max for that is 115. I got longish arms, and they're twigs. My legs have grown from weightlifting, but it's just genetics for the most part. Like, for calf press, the machine at my gym maxed out at 160, I managed to do 10 reps my first time walking in with no real working out experience ever, besides playing sports as a kid and riding bikes when I was 16-17 years old. I didn't try this until later, but I managed to do the max 160 easily for 10 reps on each leg with the calf press. First time leg pressing I was able to do like 400 with a good ROM, 500 with a crappier ROM. First time squatting (after like a month of leg presses), with a manta rayhttp://www.fitstep.com/Misc/Newsletter-archives/graphics/squat-manta-ray.jpg , was doing 225, probably not too good of a ROM, though (on the same manta ray and crappier ROM, I managed to do 365, but that doesn't really count.) I've pretty much only been lifting weights since maybe a month or two from now last year.
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I do gotta do some more upper body work, but I don't really like the look of lots of upper body bulk, and I just suck at it to begin with and don't find it that enjoyable.
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I dont think anyone finds it enjoyable! This is the one thing that i can say that someone can love but hate at the same time! I hate working out but i absolutely love it! I cant explain it. Its weird! But i am the opposite. I hate how a big lower body looks! It looks so unnatural man! IDK to each their own!
It looks how it looks. It's whatever. I don't know, I'm the opposite of most people. I find squats, deads, Olympic lifts, totally rewarding, even standing overhead press, though I suck at them, but then benching, etc, I don't. Most people bench and curl for looks, and then it's like "AWW LEG DAY, I HATE LEG DAY" and for me it's like "EVERYDAY IS LEG DAY." Also regarding benching, I'm quite concerned about rotator cuff tears and general f**** up shoulders from doing it, it just feels so unnatural and weird of an exercise. I do standing overhead presses, but the standing overhead press is one of the hardest lifts to get more weight up in, even for people with huge bench press numbers. I've started trying out pullups, assisted from a stool, and then going down really slow, seems like I'll be able to do pullups soon, I like them, too, though I suck at them. Pullups I feel could help my jumping too.
Right now i feel like i didnt work out hard enough tonight and feel so outta shape. It makes me dwell on tomorrows workout and want it so much more! It makes me work out so much harder with each week that passes. I got up to working out 6 hours a day when i was boxing. of course a lot of it was spent sparring. At least an hour and a half spent sparring and training in the gym. Plus the running and abs and arms and jump rope, etc. I think i was on the verge of an intervention lol
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But it is recommended for skaters, though, doing some.
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What kind of skating do you do? Figure or pro skate boarding?
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That and my aerobic capacity should be better. My last time checking for mile times, I ran .9 miles in 8 minutes, but I walked half of it.
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*8 minutes on a mile is probably average. When its race time i run a mile from anywhere around 5 minutes and 35 seconds to 5 minutes and 57 seconds. I am far off now.
I bet if you did walk your time would have been pretty good!!! you should give it a try sometime and let me know how you make out!!
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So if I could like, run it all, I'd have a fast mile.
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Like i said before, yes you definitely would!!
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So I guess gotta work on those weaknesses, you know? I pretty much do no cardio except my ice skating, which isn't bad really, but ice skating I gotta work on it more as technique and less as "working out" so it's not just endless laps around the rink really fast like when I first started.
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That answers my question about what kind of skating you do lol
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Maybe once the local college opens their rink again I'll go there more often, that place is sweet, indoor track, and full weight room with like 4 Olympic platforms. I'd like to see what I could get my 100m time to, just for kicks. |
Are you going to do anything with your skating? Like go pro?? Or is it just a hobby?
I don't know really. I'd just like to...see where it goes. Part of me is like "Man going pro would be sweet." But, I don't know really. Skating is one thing I really just try to "live for the now" with. It's a lesson I gotta learn to apply to other things in life. I lack money to get good technique coaching, so I decided in the mean time, to work on the weights and plyos and whatnot to increase my power, and so far it's paying off. I figured power was basically "free" so why not?
Also, I am trying to run in the seaside 5k or if my time is good enough... the half marathon. Its annual. |
Yeah, I think as far as my aerobic goals, all I'm gonna aim for is about a 5K. Marathons and stuff like that seem like insanity.
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amboxer21
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think as far as my aerobic goals, all I'm gonna aim for is about a 5K. Marathons and stuff like that seem like insanity. |
Dude I feel the same way. 26 miles is ridiculously insane lol I have done 13 miles before but that was in 1 hour and 25 minutes. 5k's are just right!! Fast paced and fun! |
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1000Knives
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One thing I'm having to deal with for workout intensity is, because I deadlift and squat so much (some weeks everyday) trying to max out as often as possible (sorta like a sloppy Bulgarian style program) I'm finding I burn my CNS out too much. I can fix it with better nutrition, but usually it's hard to get. To a point, I could use more volume with less weight, but to lift heavier weight, you gotta lift heavier weight, you know? Maybe some adaptogens would fix it, but, money. That's why I want the rhodiola rosea and maral root. Maral root, rhodiola rosea, and siberian ginseng "stacked" was supposedly used by some of the Eastern Bloc weightlifting and strength athletes.
So cardio and stuff is much easier on the CNS than maxout squats and deadlifts. Also, that's where isolation exercises, despite them sucking, they don't drain your CNS like compounds do. One compound I find least CNS draining is snatches, but my technique is crap for those. But "cardio" is so boring, and it's hot outside. Just it seems I agree much more with more anaerobic sports than aerobic sports, once my heart starts beating a lot of rates per minute, I freak out, I do not like the feeling of my heart beating out of my chest at all, scares the f**k out of me. Then again, some people hate weightlifting for the blood pressure spikes you induce while doing it, whereas me I find nothing fearful about that at all. No idea. I guess the balance between "listen to your body" and "don't be a p****" is hard to find.
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| So I am running 2 miles in 13 minutes and 29 seconds. Thats about a 7 minutes per mile pace. SLOW SLOW SLOW!!!!! I need to do an additional mile and pick the pace up a minute on each mile or better!!!! Its ok cuz I have till October 14th. |
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