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enrico_dandolo
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | every time someone gets a PhD in anything, they are becoming a Doctor of Philosophy, so i do not think that philosophy and psychology are necessarily mutually exclusive. they inform each other and even underpin each other. |
That is for historical reasons. Just about everyone becomes bachelor of arts, but I am not doing any "arts" at all. (Of course, the meaning of the word "art" has also changed in the meantime, but even in the old art/science dichotomy, many fields would still be sciences.) |
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TM
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| hyperlexian wrote: | every time someone gets a PhD in anything, they are becoming a Doctor of Philosophy, so i do not think that philosophy and psychology are necessarily mutually exclusive. they inform each other and even underpin each other.
more parallel questions might be:
Is the BA (psych) or BSc (psych) program more useful?
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is applied philosophy or theoretical philosophy more useful? |
Philosophiae means roughly "love of wisdom" so they aren't technically getting a PHD in philosophy the subject. Originally most of what constitutes "science" today was known as "natural philosophy" for instance.
Even better questions may want to specify what they mean by "useful" as useful can mean a lot of things. |
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AceOfSpades
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think either of them are useful. The best education comes from the school of hard knocks. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| AceOfSpades wrote: | | I don't think either of them are useful. The best education comes from the school of hard knocks. |
I've been there and it totally sucked, dude
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Kjas wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | They are both relatively masturbatory in nature. Psychologists and Philosophers are some of the most pretentious ramblers in the world of academia |
Gee, thanks! 
It is kinda true though. There is some good stuff in there but you have to dig through a lot of crap to get to it. |
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I think they both have their uses for sure. They are both fields where rambling is often mistaken for deep thought though. I like concise philosophers, for example
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TM
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Kjas wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | They are both relatively masturbatory in nature. Psychologists and Philosophers are some of the most pretentious ramblers in the world of academia |
Gee, thanks!
It is kinda true though. There is some good stuff in there but you have to dig through a lot of crap to get to it. |
oops!! Don't kill me!!
I think they both have their uses for sure. They are both fields where rambling is often mistaken for deep thought though. I like concise philosophers, for example |
Both can be inherently subjective in nature and tend to reward those who can go on forever. I do like quite a few philosophers and psychologists tough. |
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Palakol
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Not mutually-exclusive.
By the way, some people have written books about how Psychology is merely a way to push us all into conformity (which is not necessarily a bad thing), much like the Witch Hunts of the olden times. But instead of torturing and killing them, they do "treatment" and "therapy". I don't have a particular stand in this, I just like to keep my mind open.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TM wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | every time someone gets a PhD in anything, they are becoming a Doctor of Philosophy, so i do not think that philosophy and psychology are necessarily mutually exclusive. they inform each other and even underpin each other.
more parallel questions might be:
Is the BA (psych) or BSc (psych) program more useful?
or
is applied philosophy or theoretical philosophy more useful? |
Philosophiae means roughly "love of wisdom" so they aren't technically getting a PHD in philosophy the subject. Originally most of what constitutes "science" today was known as "natural philosophy" for instance.
Even better questions may want to specify what they mean by "useful" as useful can mean a lot of things. |
yes but they are not discrete disciplines that can be examined side-by-side. the inform each other, and in fact a great deal of psychology formed out of philosophy from scholars like Descartes. neither discipline exists in a vacuum that is separate from the other, and in some ways i believe they could not exist without each other.
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hyperlexian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| enrico_dandolo wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | | every time someone gets a PhD in anything, they are becoming a Doctor of Philosophy, so i do not think that philosophy and psychology are necessarily mutually exclusive. they inform each other and even underpin each other. |
That is for historical reasons. Just about everyone becomes bachelor of arts, but I am not doing any "arts" at all. (Of course, the meaning of the word "art" has also changed in the meantime, but even in the old art/science dichotomy, many fields would still be sciences.) |
that doesn't negate the fact that knowledge of psychology involves philosophy.
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Kjas
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Personally I probably would find it difficult to understand politics unless you have a good understanding of geography, history, philosophy (or idealogy in general), religion, psychology and economics. They often contribute to the discussion or are the various driving factors behind much of what happens in politics.
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Oodain
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | TM wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | every time someone gets a PhD in anything, they are becoming a Doctor of Philosophy, so i do not think that philosophy and psychology are necessarily mutually exclusive. they inform each other and even underpin each other.
more parallel questions might be:
Is the BA (psych) or BSc (psych) program more useful?
or
is applied philosophy or theoretical philosophy more useful? |
Philosophiae means roughly "love of wisdom" so they aren't technically getting a PHD in philosophy the subject. Originally most of what constitutes "science" today was known as "natural philosophy" for instance.
Even better questions may want to specify what they mean by "useful" as useful can mean a lot of things. |
yes but they are not discrete disciplines that can be examined side-by-side. the inform each other, and in fact a great deal of psychology formed out of philosophy from scholars like Descartes. neither discipline exists in a vacuum that is separate from the other, and in some ways i believe they could not exist without each other. |
there was philosophy way before psychology was even considered in a practical sense, that is historically speaking.
in the modern context you are right, they do compliment eachother and we would be hard pressed to seperate them, as it should be.
its also true that one cannot implicitly use philisophy or psychology to find direct answers and even if you do all it takes is some speculation to render it null and void.
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TM
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | TM wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | every time someone gets a PhD in anything, they are becoming a Doctor of Philosophy, so i do not think that philosophy and psychology are necessarily mutually exclusive. they inform each other and even underpin each other.
more parallel questions might be:
Is the BA (psych) or BSc (psych) program more useful?
or
is applied philosophy or theoretical philosophy more useful? |
Philosophiae means roughly "love of wisdom" so they aren't technically getting a PHD in philosophy the subject. Originally most of what constitutes "science" today was known as "natural philosophy" for instance.
Even better questions may want to specify what they mean by "useful" as useful can mean a lot of things. |
yes but they are not discrete disciplines that can be examined side-by-side. the inform each other, and in fact a great deal of psychology formed out of philosophy from scholars like Descartes. neither discipline exists in a vacuum that is separate from the other, and in some ways i believe they could not exist without each other. |
I suppose the OP needs to clarify the purpose of the study. |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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On any philosophical question whatsoever, you could lay the bodies of all the philosophers who ever were, are and will be in a straight line head to foot and not reach a conclusion.
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Oldout
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| And your point is ? |
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ruveyn
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Oldout wrote: | | And your point is ? |
Philosophy is mostly a vain pursuit. It produces hot air and word salad.
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