YippySkippy
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| Quote: | | Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!). |
It sounds like you overstayed on a student visa. The U.S. is quite strict about this; if you overstay and then return home for any reason, you will very likely be banned from re-entry. And a lot of people DO overstay with the idea of illegally immigrating. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| YippySkippy wrote: | | Quote: | | Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!). |
It sounds like you overstayed on a student visa. The U.S. is quite strict about this; if you overstay and then return home for any reason, you will very likely be banned from re-entry. And a lot of people DO overstay with the idea of illegally immigrating. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| YippySkippy wrote: | | Quote: | | Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!). |
It sounds like you overstayed on a student visa.
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It sounds wrong then.
I could not get a tourist visa because I spent more time in my own local college. It is retarded BS. I am banned from visiting the US for something as stupid like that, and I blame the illegals.
There.
But good job jumping to conclusions.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: Re: U.S. Immigration |
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| Albirea wrote: | Now usually I don't get entangled in political matters, but this one has affected me personally, and I feel the need to speak out about it.
The U.S. only permits a certain number of people from each country to get green cards (permanent residency status) each year. So for people born in China and India, where the population is huge, the wait for a U.S. green card can take many years, sometimes even up to 20 years. H.R. 3012, if passed, will give high-skilled immigrants faster access to a green card, shortening the wait and diminishing the negative consequences of not having a green card for many years. If this had passed earlier, none of the setbacks I'm going to describe below would have happened.
So here's a bit about me. I'm 18, and I've just graduated high school. I was born in China (with the rest of my family), and immigrated to Canada when I was 7. My parents and I became Canadian citizens five years later, and we were able to live in the U.S. after they got new jobs there. Six years after that, it was time for me to apply to college, and that was where the troubles began for me. Having gone to high school in the U.S. for all four years, I was convinced that I was just like the other kids - scholarships, financial aid, and the admissions process would be the same, and I would sail through it smoothly. But then I found out that without a green card, I was an international student - considered a foreigner and locked out of many standard procedures, even though I was essentially an American. Only a small percentage of each college's students is international, and the admission rate for international students is FAR lower than for domestic students (students who have at least a U.S. green card). For example, MIT's overall admission rate is about 10%, but its international admission rate is only 3-5%. Also, financial aid for international applicants are extremely limited, and this partially accounts for the low admission rate. I asked my parents fervently about when we were going to get our green cards. After a bunch of paperwork, they had their answer - we're not going to get our green cards until at least December 2012.
I was heartbroken. Not only could I not apply early action to MIT, my dream school, I also couldn't apply for financial aid, or they will certainly reject me. I was suddenly thrown into the colosseum with all the other international applicants, and the brutal battle would be a bloodbath. I would never survive, not unless I'd made some groundbreaking discovery or invention, or won some huge international award, which I could only dream of doing. I was also a semifinalist for the National Merit scholarship based on my PSAT scores, but alas, I didn't have the required immigration documents even for that. I called NMS, talked to my school counselor, even spoke to a state senator... nothing worked. I was locked out of an iron gate yet again.
In the end, I'm happy to say that I was admitted to MIT - for what reason, I still don't know, but it came as a surprise beyond my wildest dreams. I was rejected from all five of the Ivy League colleges I applied to, and I was even waitlisted at Rice. I was also denied a $20,000 scholarship at Case Western because I was "international".
Now, there are three options for me: make outrageous student loans, force my parents into bankruptcy, or some combination of the two. But no matter what, I am planning to stay in the US, and the only way I'd be able to do that is by working ridiculously hard and not depending on perks and benefits - it's not like I would get them anyways.
So, hate on immigration all you want. By seeing what my parents and I have gone through, I only have this to say: If you don't want the immigrants to take your jobs, you'd better stop whining, get off your lazy bums, and start working. Because this isn't the 1960s, and we've had to work so much harder to get the same benefits as yours. |
Well, first off congrats on getting into MIT. I hope you can go there. But if not don't let it cause you too much distress. You are obviously hardworking and smart. The school doesn't make you.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:30 am Post subject: |
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For what it's worth I went to a community college and then transferred to Berkeley. I'll be 7k dollars in debt when I graduate. I wouldn't go to Berkeley or MIT if I had to take a mortgage out. That's something to keep in mind. I know many of Chinese students who went to community college in California and then transferred to UCs. They got financial aid.
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It is pointless to worry about jobs when talking about immigrants. Legal immigrants are usually legal because they are much better than the average US dude at what they do. (Or because they married a US citizen, in which case they are here to have sex and children with you which is a different issue). If an immigrant is better than you, then he is not taking YOUR job, but someone else's, someone more qualified  .
It becomes funny later, because these top tier immigrants end becoming "job generators" like the right loves to call them.
Then we have the illegals. What are illegals going to do? Cut your roses? Clean your bathrooms? You know, all those jobs you DON'T want to do.
And the funniest thing about jobs in the immigration debate is. If you manage to forbid immigrants. You are only creating more encouragement for companies to outsource. Outsourcing is GREAT and much less expensive than paying immigrants. I have not immigrated to the US, and I am already taking big dollars from a US job thanks to outsourcing (kudos to me). That's the irony here. Your silly-ass immigration law that stopped me from getting a tourist visa is not stopping me from taking your jobs.
| YippySkippy wrote: | | Isn't college in Canada free for you? Why on earth would you pay an arm and a leg to go to school in the U.S. when you could attend in Canada? Plus, Canada has universal healthcare! If I were you, I'd move back to Canada and consider myself lucky. |
Err, like seriously, have you heard of MIT? He is not admitted into a random US college, it is MIT. Public College in Canada sounds nice, but MIT is a whole different world.
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I think that many Americans have, unfortunately, forgotten the words on the Statue of Liberty:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shores.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
When my great grandparents came to the U.S., they did not have a visa. They arrived in NYC, their names were taken down, and they were let in.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| nominalist wrote: | I think that many Americans have, unfortunately, forgotten the words on the Statue of Liberty:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shores.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
When my great grandparents came to the U.S., they did not have a visa. They arrived in NYC, their names were taken down, and they were let in. |
It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| noname_ever wrote: | | It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in. |
Possible, but rare. Immigration officers were mostly processors. There were no immigration quotas and waiting lists.
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| nominalist wrote: | | noname_ever wrote: | | It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in. |
Possible, but rare. Immigration officers were mostly processors. There were no immigration quotas and waiting lists. |
Sometimes I wish it was like that today it would be alot easier i think and less need for border patrol.
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This was one of the few things I really liked about Newt's campaign.
A comprehensive immigration reform that didn't pander to either the "kick them all out" or "let them all be citizens" groups.
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration/ |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| noname_ever wrote: | ts came to the U.S., they did not have a visa. They arrived in NYC, their names were taken down, and they were let in.[/quote
It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in. |
Immigrants with possible t.b. were quarantined at the entry points. If they show positive signs of the disease they were sent back.
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Immigrants with possible t.b. were quarantined at the entry points. If they show positive signs of the disease they were sent back. |
Yes, that was a public health consideration. It was nothing like the immigration policies which exist in the U.S. (and in many other countries) today.
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| Albirea wrote: | | I'll be in a lot of debt once I graduate from college, believe me. I'll be working hard all my life to pay. |
MIT gives financial aid to Canadian citizens (source). What is your argument? So, basically, if I am correct, your argument is based on you filling out the wrong paperwork? In your OP you said you could not apply at all.
I don't feel sorry when this page shows less than half of all graduates HAVE debt (averaging less than $19,000 USD at the end). I had $90,000 at the end and paid them off on a twist of fate.
Did you read the financial aid statistics of MIT before you posted? Or their actual website? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Immigration |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | autismthinker21 wrote: |
but if the work is not there, then how is a person suppose be able to make a living? everyone in America should be able to find a job and get somewhere. but now it's foreigners and not Americans that can work sometimes. |
Beg, borrow or steal. Or (gasp!) come up with an idea or product that one can sell to others.
You seem to believe ( correct me if I am mistaken) that someone, somewhere owes a job to another who simply needs it.
That is a mistaken belief. No one owes a living to anyone else with the exception of their dependent children.
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no your mistaken, jobs should be there to be provided. you think that people should not have a job to take in. you believe that it's a privilege to work. it's a right not a privilege. i mean sure you have to have a resume ready but it doesn't mean it's a privilege. owes a job? you mean gaining one. not oweing. where do you get your philosphy from? but think what you want. because when the next president comes in, only legal residents can work in u.s. everyone else that stole our jobs illegally are gonna get their butt kicked. cops all over the u.s are finding those people that are here without proof of identity.
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