James Holmes may have Aspergers?

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29 Jul 2012, 4:12 pm

http://ssristories.com/index.php

here is just a snippet from this page.....

School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
School Shooting Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression
School Hostage Situation Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage
School Shooting Plot Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack

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29 Jul 2012, 4:31 pm

Janissy wrote:

We will find out when the trial gets underway. And if this is an SSRI side effect, the pharmas should be accountable too, not just him.

Personally I doubt it. Many **medication reaction/discontinuation shooting sprees** have already occurred in the last decades..... the stuff is still on the shelves

I'm glad your daughter is okay

Holmes may have been a crackhead instead. Who knows.... but I doubt some of the truths about meds will enter the public domain

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29 Jul 2012, 4:36 pm

Surfman wrote:

Janissy wrote:

We will find out when the trial gets underway......

To people wondering what Surfman is quoting from- I wrote a post and then deleted it because it contained too much personal information about my daughter. All the important stuff is in Surfman's posts anyway. We need a national discussion about what is an unacceptable medication side effect.

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29 Jul 2012, 5:00 pm

It's most likely that people who're disturbed are going to be taking medication rather than the medication being a key component of such.

Can't say I've ever felt any increase in anger levels from my usual Care Bear, docile self, since taking an SSRI. But then, I'm not disturbed.

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29 Jul 2012, 5:08 pm

This is the argument drug company legal teams use.....

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29 Jul 2012, 5:11 pm

Dillogic wrote:

Same here. I was put on a low dose of Fluoxetine, and for the past 6 months, I've been much happier, my depression has drastically lifted, and I have been able to cope. It depends on the person. In my case, it's helped. In other cases, some people are just going to fly off the handle no matter what drugs they are given. Personally, I don't have homicidal or violent tendencies, so there's no concern in terms of me doing harm to others.

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29 Jul 2012, 5:15 pm

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Historically, most of these mass killers TO tend to be paranoid schizophrenics. I am not aware of any sociopaths ever having committed this kind of crime. They DO commit murder, but its for women or money, other material or mundane excuses & motives.
When we own up in this country that SOME (very FEW!) Mentally ill people DO comit truly horrible crimes because of their delusions & anger we will be one step closer to ending this (its not a common thing, jus played up by the media)type of thing. Enforcing the Brady Law likely could have prevented this tragedy. It certainly could have prevented the one last year in Arizona. That person was a paranoid schizophrenic that was clearly going off the rails, yet no one got him treatment & he had access to some pretty potent firearms. Arizona set the scene for their own tragedy..
No, this guy did not have Asperger's that much is true. However, let's not lie to each other just because we fear being lumped in with one type of ill person. Delusional people, can, will, & DO commit henious acts of extreme violence if allowed access to the weapons that allow them to do so.. A person with a box-cutter, knife, even an axe could be stopped with a taser or pepper spray. Not so a guy with an auto-matic firearm!

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I think trying to sterotype people with any type of mental disorder as potential killers, because of their mental illness is screwed up.

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29 Jul 2012, 5:26 pm

I was put on Prozac for depression at university and went from passive and easy going to hitting on guy with a table and holding another up by his throat over the balcony. It depends on the person though I think.

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29 Jul 2012, 5:31 pm

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I think trying to sterotype people with any type of mental disorder as potential killers, because of their mental illness is screwed up.

Stereotypes do have a place within our lexicon of understanding.

You recently stereotyped alcohol out of your habits? We often make stereotypical comments about NT's... and aspies....

Regarding mental illness and murder, historically some observations were made to a murderers thumb, or a murderers forehead....

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30 Jul 2012, 9:02 am

He apparently liked the red hair of a prostitute he hired. Maybe that led him to his reddish-orange hair dye, although he used an unnatural color and hers was natural.
One week before the shooting, he met with another and seemed distressed. He had a desire to talk with both of them, and I remember a report about another person he wanted to meet with (which he found through one of those sites he used) which although stated that he wanted to talk (eventhough the purpose of this site was another).
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30 Jul 2012, 1:01 pm

Its not really a sterotype, if its factual. One thing I do know, if this guy was getting psychiatric help, he was no sociopath. They lack that insight, & seldom seek aid. This one can be safely ruled out.
Sorry, but senseless mass-killings most often ( & despite what it sounds like, these incidents are pretty darn rare!)do occur from severely deluded individuals & those undergoing psychotic breaks. Its not a sterotype actually, its just the fact. My only beef is that people like this find acquiring weapons that should be MILITARY only very easy to acquire. Frankly, return & enforecement of the Brady Law would have prevented the Arizona mass shooting. Probably here as well., This country needs to wake up to the fact there are people who do not need to own assault rifles! Australia did this after a large group of people were slaughtered at a Mcdonalds some years back. No such mass killing has occured there since.
And we need to stop the knne jerk defensiviness I see here just because we fear ASDs could be lumped with these people. I sincerely doubt an autistic woud do anything like this. But a paranoid schizophrenic with severe depression or a bad drug reaction could.

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30 Jul 2012, 4:38 pm

I doubt if we will hear anything about an official diagnosis for him for awhile. Sounds like the court is trying to keep all of that under wraps. That notebook probably has a lot in it, and it sounds like they are not going to allow that to be let out to the public. Guess we will have to wait and see.

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30 Jul 2012, 10:22 pm

Surfman wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

I think trying to sterotype people with any type of mental disorder as potential killers, because of their mental illness is screwed up.

What do you mean stereotyped alcohol out of my habits? it had nothing to do with stereotypes...I felt I'd be better off if I quit drinking so much, I don't like what it was doing to me so I quit makes sense to me. That doesn't mean I think alcohol is the devil or anything, I just have no interest in continuing to drink it on a regular basis besides if I kept drinking the way I was I am quite sure it would have led to an unpleasant death and many unpleasant situations.

Anyways back to the topic the point I was trying to make is treating someone who has not even committed a crime as a potential crimminal probably does not help that person feel more welcome and less alienated. But whatever no one has to agree, I just am bothered a lot by that assumption...so I guess I get a bit carried away ranting about it.

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31 Jul 2012, 7:27 am

angelbear wrote:

That's definitely true. All will come out in tiny, little steps.
Here's a good article about mental illness and stigma in relation to this incident:
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31 Jul 2012, 8:57 am

Thanks for the article. This is definitely an alarming problem in our country.

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31 Jul 2012, 9:04 am

Dillogic wrote:

I tried prozac and it made me more anxious and paranoid, I can see how that could have sent me over the edge in the right circumstances...so I think its possible medications could play a role in some of these shootings. Oh and finally my friend convinced this one girls mom to get her off the zoloft because it was making her more anxious and depressed I mean it was apparent that drug was doing more harm than good to her.

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