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02 Nov 2012, 5:49 pm

I was perfectly clear, and I don't think that you need it spelled out for you.



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02 Nov 2012, 6:10 pm

LKL wrote:
I was perfectly clear, and I don't think that you need it spelled out for you.


You're not clear at all. All that you are doing is making a blanket assertion, that a teenaged boy who has sexual relations with an adult woman is going to have twisted relationships with women for the rest of his life. You're unclear about what the "twist" is, whether the twist is good or bad (I suspect that you see it as bad), and how this twist occurs.



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02 Nov 2012, 6:29 pm

I said more than that when I made the initial assertion; I suggest that you go back and re-read my initial post.
I have absolutely no desire to discuss anything related to sexuality any further with you, given your demonstrated inability to keep your head out of the gutter. Done with this thread. Bye.



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02 Nov 2012, 6:52 pm

http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUN ... ICSOLD.HTM

In the Marquesas Islands

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A boy usually has his first sexual experience with a much older woman, who instructs him in his first bungling attempts. Many of my older Marquesan friends looked back upon this initiation with fond memories and much amusement at their own ineptitude. The boys generally join a small informal group of comrades of similar age, who spend their evenings wandering about the dark valleys attempting to enter the homes of receptive women of all ages and conditions of life.


It has to happen at some point. Might as well be an older woman performing the instruction.

Moreover, if you have two equally inexperienced partners bungling together, then a pregnancy is probably more likely to occur.



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02 Nov 2012, 10:14 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/GUS/PACIFICSOLD.HTM

In the Marquesas Islands

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A boy usually has his first sexual experience with a much older woman, who instructs him in his first bungling attempts. Many of my older Marquesan friends looked back upon this initiation with fond memories and much amusement at their own ineptitude. The boys generally join a small informal group of comrades of similar age, who spend their evenings wandering about the dark valleys attempting to enter the homes of receptive women of all ages and conditions of life.


It has to happen at some point. Might as well be an older woman performing the instruction.

Moreover, if you have two equally inexperienced partners bungling together, then a pregnancy is probably more likely to occur.


What you are making the argument is partially that the psychological damage is due to upbringing.

However the examples you are using can easily be demolished.
1. Areas in question are in the tropics.
2. Areas in question are surrounded by water

The combination of the two means that wearing lots of clothing to begin with is not only impractical, but can be downright dangerous if one has to swim, not to mention the tropical heat and humidity...

So while you can make a case that the damage is due to cultural upbringing, that still doesn't change the fact that what LKL has said about children in Western Society is correct.



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11 Nov 2012, 9:11 pm

http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS ... ciety.html

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Outside of Europe, however, many societies developed very different sexual values. When, after centuries of isolation, Christian explorers finally discovered such societies, they were amazed and incredulous. For example, when Captain Cook came to Tahiti he was greatly surprised to find that the Tahitians had sexual intercourse in public and "gratified every appetite and passion before witnesses". Thus, he reported in his Account of a Voyage Around the World (1769):

“A young man, nearly six feet high, performed the rites of Venus with a little girl about 11 or 12 years of age, before several of our people and a great number of natives, without the least sense of its being indecent or improper, but, as appeared, in perfect conformity to the custom of the place. Among the spectators were several women of superior rank who . . . gave instructions to the girl how to perform her part, which, young as she was, she did not seem much to stand in need of.”

In spite of his consternation, however, Captain Cook apparently kept his composure and did not try to stop the performance.



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11 Nov 2012, 9:35 pm

How did they know she was 11 or 12?Did they ask?What if she was just short and girlish looking?And the English were always complaing that other cultures behaved improperly.One of the sailors most likely went back on ship and buggered a cabin boy.Talk about the pot calling the kettle black,didn't you just post about some books on naval"traditions"?



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11 Nov 2012, 10:13 pm

In Hawaii

http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/D ... ontact.htm

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Sex was seen as being positive and pleasurable, and although many cultural precepts existed concerning nonsexual aspects of life, the attitude toward sex was comparatively open and permissive. Sexual needs and desires were seen as being as basic as the need to eat, and the young were instructed in matters of sex. Adults attended physically to the sexual development of the young, including the preparation of their genitals. These sexual interactions between adults and the young, from the society’s perspective, were seen as benefiting the young individual rather than as gratifying the adult. The sexual desire of an adult for a nonadult, heterosexual or homosexual, was accepted, and the regular erotic preference by an adult for a young individual probably was viewed more as being unusual than as being intrinsically bad.



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12 Nov 2012, 6:17 am

I personally find it disgusting that people discriminate against paedophilia and it makes me sick hearing about massive online communities saying that we should bring back the death sentence exclusively for them or that we should do animal testing on them. It's no different than extreme homophobia, niether gays or paedophiles have a choice in who their attracted to.

However in regards to the minority of paedophiles that do actually abuse people, only the ones with serious mental illnesses or the
handfull that are actually led on by a teenager will fail to release the harm that they're doing. The majority of abusers know full well the extent of harm they're doing, don't care, and don't bother to try to work against their urgers. These people deserve all the hate they get.



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12 Nov 2012, 10:58 am

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I personally find it disgusting that people discriminate against paedophilia


Are you in favor of adults buggering children who do not know what is going on? Shame on you!

ruveyn



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13 Nov 2012, 4:37 pm

ruveyn wrote:
robo37 wrote:
I personally find it disgusting that people discriminate against paedophilia


Are you in favor of adults buggering children who do not know what is going on? Shame on you!

ruveyn


Did you read my post?



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13 Nov 2012, 4:45 pm

I'm curious why there are 4 differnt threads about asking if child predators deserve sympathy.



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13 Nov 2012, 5:07 pm

robo37 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
robo37 wrote:
I personally find it disgusting that people discriminate against paedophilia


Are you in favor of adults buggering children who do not know what is going on? Shame on you!

ruveyn


Did you read my post?


My apologies. I stopped short of the end. Sorry about that.

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13 Nov 2012, 5:31 pm

Blue_Jackets_fan wrote:
I'm curious why there are 4 differnt threads about asking if child predators deserve sympathy.



Don't confuse child predators with pedophilia. Those two are not the same.


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13 Nov 2012, 9:56 pm

It could be someone's special interest.