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30 Sep 2013, 5:26 pm

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God is God, even if he farts on baby seals, or flips you the bird. It is called being serious.


That wouldn't be God. God is perfect, therefore he could not do such things. Simple.

What you talk about is actually the projection of fear - an all-powerful entity that can inflict suffering on people. That's the concept of the devil. Or a 'substitute god' from another mythology.

Do you even understand theism at all, or know the ideology of a deity, or God? If you think God can even be defined by any human dicertation, your wrong. God, listen to it, look it up, GOD. He'll do whatever he pleases. So far, his free will has shown us he is very forgiving, very.


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30 Sep 2013, 8:22 pm

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What source informs you that 'God' is perfect? Is it the same source that proclaims that:

"The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!"

Or are you telling us that the devil co-wrote the Old Testament?


And what exactly is perfection anyway?



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30 Sep 2013, 8:24 pm

appletheclown wrote:
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God is God, even if he farts on baby seals, or flips you the bird. It is called being serious.


That wouldn't be God. God is perfect, therefore he could not do such things. Simple.

What you talk about is actually the projection of fear - an all-powerful entity that can inflict suffering on people. That's the concept of the devil. Or a 'substitute god' from another mythology.

Do you even understand theism at all, or know the ideology of a deity, or God? If you think God can even be defined by any human dicertation, your wrong. God, listen to it, look it up, GOD. He'll do whatever he pleases. So far, his free will has shown us he is very forgiving, very.


For an entity that's supposed to be all vague and mysterious, you seem to know a lot about this god of yours.



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01 Oct 2013, 4:14 am

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At this moment in time, I'm wondering whether God would exist if people didn't.


HAha!

Good point!

IS humans who provide the label..

Of course 'god' would not exist!

If the label did not exist...

But the essence is ALL...

IT

'never forgets'...

AS

IT

IS

IS

as

is...

IT

IS

ASS

(i added the extra S in...)

That's how all the confusion startS...heHE!

Donkey or Elephant...

We all create GOD.

HEHA!

HA!

AH?

H

For unity...
Now that's a prayer...
That can be answered...

NOWON!
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K 1 1 H


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01 Oct 2013, 4:19 am

I didn't know I had to get permission to believe in a god.


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01 Oct 2013, 4:52 am

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I didn't know I had to get permission to believe in a god.


People who believe in liberty don't have to get permission to believe in anything...

And people who are courageous and brave are not afraid to speak up...

That's what makes America strong..the historical one..that is...

There was a time when people would give their life for IT..

Those days are long since past..

For most people..

That is...

Of course that's..

Not to say you would not...

Give your life for it..as there are some..

People left..like even Pop artists such as Madonna...

Who are willing to lay it all on the line for their liberty and freedoms...

Of expression..whether sexual orientations..artistic expressions..or freedom to believe in...

Whatever strikes one's fancy..including God..Satan...the sky...the moon...or let's just make everything sacred...

OH WAIT...that's the thing called God..the essence of it anyway...those who make everything sacred truly live..as no others could..


Again..from above...that's just my opinion...of course...

True will is only for one...

Love that is..

at least..

for..

me...


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01 Oct 2013, 7:02 am

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I didn't know I had to get permission to believe in a god.

You don't. But Catholics think so.


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01 Oct 2013, 7:06 am

MCalavera wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
octobertiger wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
God is God, even if he farts on baby seals, or flips you the bird. It is called being serious.


That wouldn't be God. God is perfect, therefore he could not do such things. Simple.

What you talk about is actually the projection of fear - an all-powerful entity that can inflict suffering on people. That's the concept of the devil. Or a 'substitute god' from another mythology.

Do you even understand theism at all, or know the ideology of a deity, or God? If you think God can even be defined by any human dicertation, your wrong. God, listen to it, look it up, GOD. He'll do whatever he pleases. So far, his free will has shown us he is very forgiving, very.


For an entity that's supposed to be all vague and mysterious, you seem to know a lot about this god of yours.

It's what he said and what we know from experience. He is vague, that doesn't mean he can't write a 2000 year old book and have a son.


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01 Oct 2013, 8:23 am

appletheclown wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I didn't know I had to get permission to believe in a god.

You don't. But Catholics think so.


Actually I was raised a Catholic and go to church every Sunday simply for the singings as one with many people..connectivity..overall levels of positive..light etc.etc.etc...

The details don't matter to me at all..even though I am well cognizant if them..

There is no hate or personal judgement expressed buy the priest in our church..and no jokes needed please about pedophilia and priests..etc..

There is a certain percentage of all men and females who are pedophiles and these percentages are higher among people who have access in positions of authority to young children...

The demographic of priests is all male and all priests have access to young children in positions of authority..so statistically speaking there is going to be a greater risk of pedophilia no matter what the church is..

Priests often stay in parishes for a full career..so obviously the chances of someone brave enough to speak up about the offender will also be statically greater...

I hear the same BS about parents of Autistic Children more likely to kill their children..

Well..mental illness is statistically higher among parents of autistic children...and mental illness is most definitely correlated with filicides..so given all other equal variables in comparison between two demographics..you get what the statistics usually say you are going to get..even if..there is no documented evidence specific to the demographic..as filicides are simply to rare to ever gain a proper statistical analysis..

The same with potential rare vaccine related side effects potentially exacerbating the known 'ill' effects of reciprocal social communication difficulties and Autism..the demographic sample is simply to small to gain any conclusions..so all that can be done..is to analyze potential general population vulnerabilities..l

Anyway..for any of you that think i am schizophrenic or whatever..this is proof enough in a digression..yes..that I am completely logical when I so choose to be...My right bright and my left brain are now equally developed if you will.. and in effect i have cured the reciprocal social communication difficulties I used to have in 'real' life in communicating verbally with other people i can even make small talk with complete strangers..with me initiating the small talk..if you will..

So back on point..the Catholic church..the one I go to is completely passive in judging anyone for believing however they so choose to believe in attending that church..they can even profess atheism or agnosticism if they so choose to do so...

So in other words my Catholic church..is super kool..even an extremely autistic person who parrots the mass seconds later after everyone else prays in unison only receives love from most everyone..and no nasty glances if you will...

And it is international in demographics..so everyone is welcome...even those of the dark skin muslim persuasion..you would never know the difference anyway among the other dark skinned nationalities...

The CAtholic church is a hidden gem in churches..that is still the most widely attending Christian Church in the world..

This will not change as far as organized religion goes..as there is sacred tradition in every symbol and word that is spoke in that church..that is one with the life of most of those who attend..just as is the case of those who follow muslim religion..and make IT an incorporated part of their hour to hour life..24/7/365 if you will..

But again the connections..love..acceptance of all no matter what the minority maybe is the ultimate draw to me...

And I do love all the symbols..after all IT is the 'gift' of my Autistic nature interpreting all symbols almost immediately..and finding the meaning in them...that the 'average' person never sees at times..even if I do my best to explain IT to them...

But I am getting much much much better at that these days..in real life..that is...


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01 Oct 2013, 8:27 am

aghogday wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I didn't know I had to get permission to believe in a god.


People who believe in liberty don't have to get permission to believe in anything...

And people who are courageous and brave are not afraid to speak up...

That's what makes America strong..the historical one..that is...

There was a time when people would give their life for IT..

Those days are long since past..

For most people..

That is...

Of course that's..

Not to say you would not...

Give your life for it..as there are some..

People left..like even Pop artists such as Madonna...

Who are willing to lay it all on the line for their liberty and freedoms...

Of expression..whether sexual orientations..artistic expressions..or freedom to believe in...

Whatever strikes one's fancy..including God..Satan...the sky...the moon...or let's just make everything sacred...

OH WAIT...that's the thing called God..the essence of it anyway...those who make everything sacred truly live..as no others could..


Again..from above...that's just my opinion...of course...

True will is only for one...

Love that is..

at least..

for..

me...


You render God even more meaningless if that's what your idea of God is.

It's like saying the essence of it all is Satan, We are Satan, The Universe is Satan, etc.



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01 Oct 2013, 8:41 am

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Actually I was raised a Catholic and go to church every Sunday.

how convenient. most people do not have to work on sundays, and so that is when churches choose to lacquer their acts.



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01 Oct 2013, 8:43 am

appletheclown wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
octobertiger wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
God is God, even if he farts on baby seals, or flips you the bird. It is called being serious.


That wouldn't be God. God is perfect, therefore he could not do such things. Simple.

What you talk about is actually the projection of fear - an all-powerful entity that can inflict suffering on people. That's the concept of the devil. Or a 'substitute god' from another mythology.

Do you even understand theism at all, or know the ideology of a deity, or God? If you think God can even be defined by any human dicertation, your wrong. God, listen to it, look it up, GOD. He'll do whatever he pleases. So far, his free will has shown us he is very forgiving, very.


For an entity that's supposed to be all vague and mysterious, you seem to know a lot about this god of yours.

It's what he said and what we know from experience. He is vague, that doesn't mean he can't write a 2000 year old book and have a son.


It wasn't a good book if you ask me. I've read way better.



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01 Oct 2013, 8:53 am

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Actually I was raised a Catholic and go to church every Sunday.

how convenient. most people do not have to work on sundays, and so that is when churches choose to lacquer their acts.


I'm fortunate...i'm retired i don't have to work at all...

I do think think it is a pretty cool church..I leave feeling higher before I go..and that in itself is almost a miracle..tongue in check I say..haha..

But really I feel better..that is my only gauge of success my friend...


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01 Oct 2013, 11:23 am

appletheclown wrote:
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God is God, even if he farts on baby seals, or flips you the bird. It is called being serious.


That wouldn't be God. God is perfect, therefore he could not do such things. Simple.

What you talk about is actually the projection of fear - an all-powerful entity that can inflict suffering on people. That's the concept of the devil. Or a 'substitute god' from another mythology.

Do you even understand theism at all, or know the ideology of a deity, or God? If you think God can even be defined by any human dicertation, your wrong. God, listen to it, look it up, GOD. He'll do whatever he pleases. So far, his free will has shown us he is very forgiving, very.


I don't know what the word 'diceration' means.

Do you even understand the ego, and the projections of such?

You talk about theisms and ideologies. What's that to to with God? It's a creation of people. It's got nothing to do with God. Religion isn't necessarily always about God. Now, I'm not saying it's intellecually interesting in any way, or not useful at times, but that's by the by.

God didn't create theism, or religion. People did.

I don't need to 'look up' God. I don't need to believe superstitions, traditions, and attempts of people to know God when they didn't know God. I'm more interested in knowing God by myself - not through any bias, any filter or any sort of possibly corrupting traditions.

God is, and stands by himself. God has to be a certain way, otherwise he is not God. God's free will has nothing to do with this world whatsoever, and you seing him as a being capable of acting in a possibly capricious human way - that's a projection of the ego too.

Just don't go round telling people that they're wrong, because they don't base their beliefs entirely what they read in books, like intellecual cripples, science-worshippers, or what they are told, like sheep. God cannot be known merely through a book.



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02 Oct 2013, 1:17 am

Every time you are on an airplane, driving a car, or avoid jumping off a bridge, you are "worshipping" science.

Oh, and for fun, I encourage you all to read this satirical link (by Sam Harris):

http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text ... -believing



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02 Oct 2013, 1:27 am

The original question of this thread was "is it OK to believe in God"? It was not a request if God exists or proofs thereof, or vice versa. Think what you all are doing to this simple (shouldn't be a request) situation. If there is a hell, you are it with your banter! Be still!