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16 Oct 2013, 11:38 am

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And, no, octobertiger, I was not implying that I am an authority. Reread my post. I am saying that the psychologists themselves are the authority when it comes to these matters.


Why bring up what you were studying? Huh? Come on! It was obvious :wink:

You seem to see a unity of purpose, and a consensus, when actually there is much less common ground than you think. You may see that in a future career, where principles are put into practice. Or may not. Do you think I don't know any psychologists? I'm not sure some of them would count as an authority figure, and I'd think you'd agree if you met them.

And your point about the brain - once again, you are confusing the transport network with the real deal. There isn't anything fascinating about the brain. Of course, apart from the ability for memories to be recalled from multiple locations in certain instances, under the aid of deep hypnosis. If you were sat in a chair and gave me an hour of your time, I could show you a lot of what I am on about. But that's a different story.

You are interested in form; I am interested in the formless.

Maybe I've gotten off a train you were riding on a long time ago, for a different journey. Now who is right and who is wrong, is beside the point.

Why am I still here in this onion ring of a debate? Exactly. Time to go.


I could not agree more..and yes I think yOUR work is done here..hear NOw..

So I suppose I'll go too as other avenues of [email protected] me...

Winks for the third time;):) and says see ya later for noW...;):);)
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16 Oct 2013, 11:39 am

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My psychiatrist who is a nationally known military expert in psychology readily admits that the profession knows little about the human mind at this point.. if anything.. in relative comparison of what can happen in human experience...


They are the best sort. Those professionals are fluid in thinking, and they have experience of cases where many exceptions defy arbitrary rules. I can sit and talk to them all day, they are people, and they are always keen to learn - not mask areas of little understanding.

Now, the ones who are rigid thinkers - anyone who comes to them with radiant thinking, who knows their 'fit a person into a box' and knows mirroring, pacing, leading, anchoring...they are cannon fodder. Their perceptions can be easily bent, because they are so tied into their model. I believe Richard Bandler talked about a 1970s lunatic asylum where the patients could so easily do that - because the patients weren't holding rigid to a system of beliefs, whereas the so-called professionals were. In the end, one could argue who was actually sane.

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They (the psychiatrists) just try the selection of drugs available until one helps and if not..oh well they throw their hands up in the air and say see ya in 6 months..'whatever'..


That pretty much sums up 90% of psychiatry in practice.

You are right to laugh at me, friend, because I am laughing at myself. What good is this doing? Who is it helping? This endless procrastination before I must do what I must do.



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16 Oct 2013, 12:02 pm

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Why bring up what you were studying? Huh? Come on! It was obvious :wink:


To make the point that I have access to their resources and that I am constantly studying this. As someone with Asperger's, you can imagine what this usually means when someone is into a subject.

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You seem to see a unity of purpose, and a consensus, when actually there is much less common ground than you think. You may see that in a future career, where principles are put into practice. Or may not. Do you think I don't know any psychologists? I'm not sure some of them would count as an authority figure, and I'd think you'd agree if you met them.


Depends on who you want to call a psychologist. I think I should've made a distinction between psychologists who don't emphasize the scientific method and those who do. I have only met those who respect the scientific method however, and many of them happen to be researchers and not just or necessarily clinical psychologists.

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And your point about the brain - once again, you are confusing the transport network with the real deal. There isn't anything fascinating about the brain. Of course, apart from the ability for memories to be recalled from multiple locations in certain instances, under the aid of deep hypnosis. If you were sat in a chair and gave me an hour of your time, I could show you a lot of what I am on about. But that's a different story.


Real deal is really your word for New Age mumbo jumbo. You did not seem to have understood the implication of what I'm arguing. Damage any area of the brain and see what happens -> a clear decline in at least one cognitive function is extremely likely to occur. I'd like to see your "deep hypnosis" fix that.

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You got that right. Form = substance. Formless = no substance at all, and just a figment of your imagination.



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16 Oct 2013, 12:04 pm

aghogday wrote:
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And, no, octobertiger, I was not implying that I am an authority. Reread my post. I am saying that the psychologists themselves are the authority when it comes to these matters.


Kool..humility! I like that..and yeah I'm like that in real life..when i'm not acting in my own directed and written internet play...


Believe it or not, you couldn't find anyone more humble than me in real life. :P



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16 Oct 2013, 12:11 pm

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My psychiatrist who is a nationally known military expert in psychology readily admits that the profession knows little about the human mind at this point.. if anything.. in relative comparison of what can happen in human experience...


They are the best sort. Those professionals are fluid in thinking, and they have experience of cases where many exceptions defy arbitrary rules. I can sit and talk to them all day, they are people, and they are always keen to learn - not mask areas of little understanding.

Now, the ones who are rigid thinkers - anyone who comes to them with radiant thinking, who knows their 'fit a person into a box' and knows mirroring, pacing, leading, anchoring...they are cannon fodder. Their perceptions can be easily bent, because they are so tied into their model. I believe Richard Bandler talked about a 1970s lunatic asylum where the patients could so easily do that - because the patients weren't holding rigid to a system of beliefs, whereas the so-called professionals were. In the end, one could argue who was actually sane.

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They (the psychiatrists) just try the selection of drugs available until one helps and if not..oh well they throw their hands up in the air and say see ya in 6 months..'whatever'..


That pretty much sums up 90% of psychiatry in practice.

You are right to laugh at me, friend, because I am laughing at myself. What good is this doing? Who is it helping? This endless procrastination before I must do what I must do.


Excellent point on how easy it can be for out of the box thinkers to manipulate those who think inside of the box..

My condition of Alexithymia.. was in part a result of extreme work related stress..

And my psychiatrist is rather forward thinking on this avenue as he agrees that there is definitely a condition of imbalance with the Hypothalamus..adrenal..and pituitary glands that can result from extreme prolonged stress..that can affect the adrenal glands where they are in the on position constantly in a vicious cycle where no positive thoughts will reverse this issue..without strong medications...LIke lorazepam...my addiction gone now after 5 years...that finally turned my adrenal glands off about 4 years ago...

And yes he does agree that this causes actual brain damage..as the stress related chemicals destroy the 'hard wired' aspects of the brain.. if you will...

When I completely loss my emotions at the bottom of a real human pit of hell with 35 days of 1 hour of sleep for each day of the first 35 of 40 and no sleep at the end of the last 5 of 40..what I found is that free will is truly the lack of the connection of the emotions that do tie us into the connection of ALL that i describe as GOD...

The loneliness of being completely separated from this thing called GOD that i describes is beyond any depression imaginable..

The face of GOD can only truly be seen..when one completely separates themselves from this GOD through whatever method intentional or forced..and understands life without this gOD that is ALL that connects us all through the mysteries of TRUE POWErs in life that do exceed what can be described by science as IT currently exists...

But as far as words go...they are extremely important in my estimation..as no one in real life wants to be around someone who has completely lost their emotions..and is as cold as ice as any psychopath...no matter what as their moral code may remain intact...

Yeah...IF IT wasn't for my strict moral code I could have killed anyone in cold blood..if my moral code did not change as strict and the same as my upbringing as a GOOD catholic boy...

People really underestimate the value of religion in this way..My Monsignor Priest..who is an old tennis buddy of mine..pastors the real historical Jesus teachings that tells people not to reject anyone...

In effect what he is doing..by doing this every Sunday..with new and upcoming potential psychopaths in the audience is helping to make the difference between the villain psychopath who may be a serial killer or the combat soldier or law enforcement officer psychopath who may be the hero in life...

I see my efforts here as the same..with or without any collar as my excommunicated Catholic Priest Grandfather did when he left the church before IT made this change for the better in modern times..where no one is rejected....

I always wear a white T-shirt under the pop culture t-shirts I wear on my blog and flickr feed..that is symbolic for me..per wearing the collar..and yes everything is sacred to me knowNow..even a number, letter, blade of grass..or a grain of sand..

I walk in the footsteps of the real Jesus..not the make believe mythical one...

And yeah those footsteps save lives and even words..as at my lowest point where almost everyone rejected me on the internet..I found one person who wanted to be my friend..that in effect brought my emotions back to life..as my only world without sight was the internet at that time..

All it was..was the word synesthesia..and after that..there are 13 websites that express all my creativity..now and true spirit the same as I see in the real historical Jesus..only in the last 7 months or so...

Passion and inspiration is what makes life for all social animals..and yeah..autistic or not..there is no escaping the DNA that makes us a social animal with no escape possible..except for human hell in real life...

So with that said I'll leave another video as MUSICK of all kinds is the best way to emotions to cement a new learning experience into a memory..as well as humor of all kinds..even my dry kind..haha1!

And I'll keep walking..even in words...

But likely somewhere else now..as in general there are hundreds of websites calling..hehe..see ya later brother or sister..haven't checked your gender and don't really give a f**k what It is..hesheH.ha...sexual orientation or WHATEVER else as WE ARE ALL CONNECTED...MY FRIEND(S)....

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16 Oct 2013, 12:14 pm

MCalavera wrote:
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And, no, octobertiger, I was not implying that I am an authority. Reread my post. I am saying that the psychologists themselves are the authority when it comes to these matters.


Kool..humility! I like that..and yeah I'm like that in real life..when i'm not acting in my own directed and written internet play...


Believe it or not, you couldn't find anyone more humble than me in real life. :P


Well I'll have to.. as believe It or not people tell me the same thing throughout my life and yeah now too..smiles..

These are just words not me at all...hehe...


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16 Oct 2013, 12:26 pm

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And, no, octobertiger, I was not implying that I am an authority. Reread my post. I am saying that the psychologists themselves are the authority when it comes to these matters.


Kool..humility! I like that..and yeah I'm like that in real life..when i'm not acting in my own directed and written internet play...


Believe it or not, you couldn't find anyone more humble than me in real life. :P


That's as well, because, let's face it, your arrogance here is utterly outstanding. And your knowledge of what actually happens to people with brain damage is extremely limited. Of course, in some cases it is as you say it is - but not in all. There are recoveries and recall that fly in the face of what you are saying - I suggest you do more research on the subject - practical research, not just some cherrypicked case study. Take your own advice and read more widely. Or, actually go and talk to people who don't fit the standard model.

In fact, I'd rather talk to someone with an experience of psychology in practice, not someone who highlights well-trodden textbooks. Not someone who isn't even yet qualified, and dares to try and play the 'expert' card, and then tries to cover it up. For someone studying psychology you don't know much about human behavior, do you.

Let's not even talk about deep hypnosis, I'm likely to get a response you probably read on the back of a packet of Frosties. Or that you heard from some conformist source.

Come back when you know what you're talking about, and you have some experience for yourself - you don't on this one. You're just regurgitating well-trodden paths and you call that learning. Why would I take your word above those more qualified than you? I won't.

If I want your opinion, I'll just get a second-hand psychology book, and claim it's gospel. I mean, what's the difference?

Bye.



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16 Oct 2013, 12:29 pm

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WE ARE ALL CONNECTED...MY FRIEND(S)....]


Ergo my posts are insanity, because I am arguing with myself.

:lol:



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16 Oct 2013, 12:32 pm

octobertiger wrote:
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aghogday wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
And, no, octobertiger, I was not implying that I am an authority. Reread my post. I am saying that the psychologists themselves are the authority when it comes to these matters.


Kool..humility! I like that..and yeah I'm like that in real life..when i'm not acting in my own directed and written internet play...


Believe it or not, you couldn't find anyone more humble than me in real life. :P


That's as well, because, let's face it, your arrogance here is utterly outstanding. And your knowledge of what actually happens to people with brain damage is extremely limited. Of course, in some cases it is as you say it is - but not in all. There are recoveries and recall that fly in the face of what you are saying - I suggest you do more research on the subject - practical research, not just some cherrypicked case study. Take your own advice and read more widely. Or, actually go and talk to people who don't fit the standard model.

In fact, I'd rather talk to someone with an experience of psychology in practice, not someone who highlights well-trodden textbooks. Not someone who isn't even yet qualified, and dares to try and play the 'expert' card, and then tries to cover it up. For someone studying psychology you don't know much about human behavior, do you.

Let's not even talk about deep hypnosis, I'm likely to get a response you probably read on the back of a packet of Frosties. Or that you heard from some conformist source.

Come back when you know what you're talking about, and you have some experience for yourself - you don't on this one. You're just regurgitating well-trodden paths and you call that learning. Why would I take your word above those more qualified than you? I won't.

If I want your opinion, I'll just get a second-hand psychology book, and claim it's gospel. I mean, what's the difference?

Bye.


Recoveries from what exactly? You have been quite vague all this time and never really got specific with what you actually claim to know. Also, recoveries imply there used to be damage and does not go against what I was saying. Waiting for your elaborations ... if you dare.



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16 Oct 2013, 12:47 pm

If I dare? What sort of a child are you? Are you really that pathetic?

No, game over. You haven't a leg to stand on - too late, arrogant one.

You mistake my intent - I am not trying to convince you of anything. And whatever I tell you, will be a waste of time - you've proved this, time and time again. So - no. We're done talking. There's only one thing you can do.

Go find for yourself. If YOU dare. Everything's out there. You need to see it for yourself - not just read it. And, no, not to a point when another person is satisfied - to the point where you are satisfied.

It's your call. It's your learning, not mine. If you want to dismiss what I am saying as the ramblings of madness, fine. There's a door, and you can walk through that door into a different world, or you can just go the path of books and what you've been trotting out. You're twenty, you lucky sod. You've time to do great things.

As I've always said, don't take my word for it. But we're done talking.



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16 Oct 2013, 1:02 pm

You need to cool down and not let anger control you like that. Look what it's having you do: making personal attacks against me and putting words in my mouth claiming that I am trying to be come off as the authority over everyone else.

I am probably older than you are by the way. Or maybe not. But I am not so lacking in experience or insight as you make me out to be. In fact, part of the reason I'm doing psychology is because of a couple of uncommon personal experiences I've had to go through. Call it arrogance if you will, but I am one of the top two (if not the top) students in the course I'm doing, and part of it is due to my insight and my age more than just rigid academic knowledge.



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16 Oct 2013, 1:19 pm

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WE ARE ALL CONNECTED...MY FRIEND(S)....]


Ergo my posts are insanity, because I am arguing with myself.

:lol:


WELL in effect if you were to argue with me..IT would be the same as we are essentially ONE..
But you don't.. you try your best to understand....
Instead of really arguing..

That I see as love and GOD as one...and easy to discern even in words my FRIEND...

YOUR OPINIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT HERE..AND MORE REFRESHING THAN ANYTHING HERE I HAVE COME ACROSS IN MONTHS...MORE THAN YOU know I think..but yeah we do knownothingeh...i 't'hnk'


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16 Oct 2013, 1:29 pm

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You need to cool down and not let anger control you like that. Look what it's having you do: making personal attacks against me and putting words in my mouth claiming that I am trying to be come off as the authority over everyone else.

I am probably older than you are by the way. Or maybe not. But I am not so lacking in experience or insight as you make me out to be. In fact, part of the reason I'm doing psychology is because of a couple of uncommon personal experiences I've had to go through. Call it arrogance if you will, but I am one of the top two (if not the top) students in the course I'm doing, and part of it is due to my insight and my age more than just rigid academic knowledge.


wElL god healed me when psychology could not and that's a documented fact..so just sayin...like my psychotherapist verifies as fact..IT IS a miracle..of GOD...and yeah sHE believes in close to the same definition of GOD AS I do..not this mythological BS taken literally..as yeah taken metaphorically some of IT MAKES SENSE..depending on how good one is at understanding metaphor..and yeah that's not just an Autistic thing..many people in the general population can be clueless when IT comes to some metaphors..

And yeah the Broader Autism Phenotype...per the leading scientist in Europe..on Autism related research on empathy..clearly indicates that up to 10 to 15 percent of the population could fall into this Category...

So just in the US..that could be anywhere from 30 to 45 million people...

That's lots of fundamentalist leaning potentially literally thinking folks my friend...

And yeah..lots of them are probably members of the tea party2...

No doubt than many fundamentalists have the same autistic leaning type of thinking as some of the atheists do on this site..there really is no difference except where one is raised ..and where one finds social comfort in life..

For some people IT's church and for some people IT's in the LAB..or WHATEVER...BUT PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ARE essentiALLy different and the sAME..

So here's another little video..to generate..some deeper thought..if you can or if your will chooses as such..

Never judge the cover of the book...as they say..as the pages..could..even one page..cover the book..if actually read...

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16 Oct 2013, 2:01 pm

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adifferentname I am not sure whether to salute your fortitude or scold you for wasting your time reading aghogday's nonsense 8O :wink: I just skim through, often the relevant bits are at the beginning and the end.


Then I shall both thank you and accept my admonishment in equal measure until such a time as you are certain.

To my shame, I actually read his response to my post and, while it might be fun to poke him with the stick of reason, I see no genuine need to respond directly to such an artless tirade. That I am not alone in finding little value in his contribution is somewhat comforting, if I'm being honest. I wasn't sure if my dismissal of his 'words' was justifiable or fair, whether or not I was guilty of being overly discriminatory of someone whose mental state might be somewhat fragile. After reading his reaction to my own assessment of his words, I am no longer conflicted. It is a far easier thing for me to dismiss one so arrogant in demeanour, yet so ignorant in fact.

There is a simple rule which should be applied in any debate or discussion and which applies especially to PPR. Play the ball, not the man. I make a point of always responding to the words an individual uses, deriving their meaning as best I understand it, making allowances for nuance, spelling or grammar. Additionally, as with all communication, I am very particular about the words I choose to use that they might convey precisely what it is I mean to say. When all participants are willing to use this approach, discussions are prone to be lively, productive and enjoyable affairs. Moreover, such a debate will be far more capable of withstanding heat, and so less prone to descent into a flame war.

Without being overly perfectionist, the majority of PPR regulars manage to get at least close to the mark, most of the time, when it comes to the above. However, I find Aghogday's approach to posting is in almost perpetual breach of what I consider the etiquette of discourse. There is no doubt in my mind that his ego will prevent him from viewing this mild chastisement as anything other than another 'personal attack'. If by some 'miracle' he is able to understand more clearly, it will be no more than the first step on a very long road to 'redemption'.



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16 Oct 2013, 2:10 pm

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adifferentname I am not sure whether to salute your fortitude or scold you for wasting your time reading aghogday's nonsense 8O :wink: I just skim through, often the relevant bits are at the beginning and the end.


Then I shall both thank you and accept my admonishment in equal measure until such a time as you are certain.

To my shame, I actually read his response to my post and, while it might be fun to poke him with the stick of reason, I see no genuine need to respond directly to such an artless tirade. That I am not alone in finding little value in his contribution is somewhat comforting, if I'm being honest. I wasn't sure if my dismissal of his 'words' was justifiable or fair, whether or not I was guilty of being overly discriminatory of someone whose mental state might be somewhat fragile. After reading his reaction to my own assessment of his words, I am no longer conflicted. It is a far easier thing for me to dismiss one so arrogant in demeanour, yet so ignorant in fact.

There is a simple rule which should be applied in any debate or discussion and which applies especially to PPR. Play the ball, not the man. I make a point of always responding to the words an individual uses, deriving their meaning as best I understand it, making allowances for nuance, spelling or grammar. Additionally, as with all communication, I am very particular about the words I choose to use that they might convey precisely what it is I mean to say. When all participants are willing to use this approach, discussions are prone to be lively, productive and enjoyable affairs. Moreover, such a debate will be far more capable of withstanding heat, and so less prone to descent into a flame war.

Without being overly perfectionist, the majority of PPR regulars manage to get at least close to the mark, most of the time, when it comes to the above. However, I find Aghogday's approach to posting is in almost perpetual breach of what I consider the etiquette of discourse. There is no doubt in my mind that his ego will prevent him from viewing this mild chastisement as anything other than another 'personal attack'. If by some 'miracle' he is able to understand more clearly, it will be no more than the first step on a very long road to 'redemption'.


Dude.. I think you are forgetting something..I am close to an Expert not only on Autism..but psychology in general...

YOu are simply projecting here.. that is all...

It is pretty obvious that I have won this little battle over IS IT OK TO BELIEVE IN GOD...

BUT GO AHEAD.. KEEP ON TALKING..I NEVER GET TIRED..AND I CAN WRITE A MILLION MORE WORDS THIS WEEK..IF I SO FEEL LIKE IT....

I AM THE WINNER HERE... THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO IT...

AND YEAH.. TODAY.. I AM AWESOME.. BUT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THAT WAY....

AS I WAS THE DEVIL TOO.. AND I CAN PROVE THAT2...

NOW THINK ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE TOO..

I'LL BE SEEING YOU IN YOUR DREAMS...

JUST A METAPHOR DUDE..

NOT A THRE@


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16 Oct 2013, 2:16 pm

So God is a metaphor or what?

If I am getting you right, are you saying that God doesn't exist in a physical or literal sense, but that some people with certain qualities can experience this "metaphor thing" you call "God" in their lives?

Is that what it's all about or am I getting you wrong?