Why I don't believe in science.

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**shakes head..amusingly...

You know your are enabling me here..smiles..:)

Well..here is the difference between people who believe in things that don't HAVE evidence as opposed to things that do have evidence...

Technically speaking there was no potential for me as a youngster with Autism to ever be successful in life..if any doctor was asked..

I could not speak until age 4 and was skin and bones and could barely walk in a straight gait...still at age 13 and still could not speak coherently until well after College...

The only difference between me and other classmates that ended up living with their parents until their 40's and beyond was I thought the impossible was not only possible but was a certainty that I could make happen with my will alone..

Well..I already proved that happened in the other thread..as I am financially independent by the time I reached 48..and can buy and do anything I want at age 53...now..that I am completely recovered...with all the other incredible physical feats of abilities...

BUT guess what... I was so ill that no doctor would ever release me to work for the rest of my life to take the chance that all my auto immune illnesses would come back out of remission...

So I win..I win ..i win..that is all as I will..I WILL IT ALL..and more than anything else I believe I can do the impossible and make it happen simply because I believe...

IT does NOT m@ter what GOD or WHAT RELIGION A PERSON IS PART OF AS LONG AS THEY KNOW THEY CAN MAKE MIRACLES HAPPEN..AND THAT MY FRIEND..IS WHAT I HAVE DONE MY ENTIRE LIFE...

THAT IS ALSO MY AUTISTIC SUPERPOWER.. MAKING MIRACLES HAPPEN..NOT ONLY FOR ME..BUT FOR OTHERS ALSO....

I AM ONLY HERE TO SPREAD WISDOM MY FRIEND..BELIEVE IT OR NOT..IS OK..AS I AM ALREADY REFERRED TO AS A LIVING MIRACLE WHERE I LIVE....

I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO PROVE HERE..AS I AM THE PROOF WHERE I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD..YEAH..THAT FLESH AND BLOOD ONE OFFLINE WITH REAL FLESH AND BLOOD PEOPLE TO LOOK IN THE EYE....

So I'll leave you with this little video..and keep mentioning my name and I'll be back..as you just will not ignore me it seems no matter what I do for you to amuse me...to write a little bit more beat poetry....

I do not need any money..in fact i have so much that if there are any more windfalls I'll just give IT away...

So I write..cause writing is fun..and poetry2....

Among a thousand other things in real life..that amuseme2...or 3or5..

But seriously this song is not joke..the power of belief can make miracles happen..no matter what the source of the belief may be....

The actual historical Jesus..was a genius understanding human psychology..by self learning and observing others in life...
It's not his fault that other people came in behind him..some who did not even know him...to write a far removed 'second hand account'....

It requires no degree.. just patience and observing...approximately what one does with the scientific...free mason..method...when one does not learn all there is to know in college..or other rigid ways of learning..based on closed in walls instead of walls open to the entire possibilities of learning..in this world...the whole that never can be fully learned..as It changes all the time...
....anyway.....

So I'm thinking I'LL BE BACK..TO QUOTE 'the terminator'....
Seeyal@er....

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Well, I'll use this one as my first contribution. I believe in science because I believe in math. As for belief in evolution, I believe in the indisputable demonstration of evolution.

To speak of bacteria morphology is to believe in what we see how after dying off bacteria began to survive with repeated attempts by the same contaminated yeast to kill it. Bacteria 'evolves' right before our eyes.

Bacteria also 'evolves' and has evolved to resist our antibiotics. There should never be anymore questions of belief in evolution...it is a proven scientific and natural fact.

Hmmm..one does not have to have words to know GOD..IN FACT words can be the obstacles..in fact...

Ask your..CAT if you have..one..he/she WILLNOT need to answer..anyway...as IT IS a MOOTMEOW..point...

Usually semi-literate people 'know' GOD better than literate ones..simply as they usually spend more time in the empathy pathways..of the brain...rather than the cold hard analytical parts of the brain that are great @systemizing..but do not feel anything or any GOD with wILL..for the most part....

That said, there is the other side of the coin.

The science that gave us the artifical leg gave us the land mine that took it away.

The science that gave us nuclear power gave us the nuclear bomb.

The science that gave us an inhaler for ashma gave us a nerve gas.

The science that lets us visit the coral reef allows us to kill the coral reefs.

And so on ad nauseum.

The thing is you can't control it to ensure it is only used for good. No one ever has been able to and I seriously doubt anyone will. And there are always scientists who will play the whore for the powerful and governments.

Ultimately science may very well achieve what was impossible not long ago, the destruction of all the higher forms of life, including ourselves, on the planet. Nice epitath.

Now you're changing the subject because this topic isn't about the ethical issues involved when it comes to conducting science. But I find it interesting you could not provide one item of contribution religion has exclusively made when it comes to well-supported facts pertaining to this world.

Oh 'GOD''..that's as obvious as the social nose on your face..if you have one..and please..no offense intended..just another metaphor..on course...

So climb aboard...if one wills or can...

Humans are social animals..and per the social and anthropology sciences..religion provides a structure of social unit cohesion for the group to bond together..and actually meet subsistence needs...

All is needed are common beliefs and goals..any that provide social cohesion and better potential for subsistence..are not only religion...but in effect..a way to ensure that one has the subsistence one needs...

Long lasting social bonds..are technically measured by science as the number one factor pertinent to overall happiness..

So religion..plays a vital role in the overall survival of the species...

And after ALL per the real teachings of the historical Jesus..

The fact IS we are all connected as human beings whether we have the science to explain IT or NOT...

It has always been the way of life of social animals..to make subsistence happen...as far as science can go....
NOW

Again, different subject being discussed. I am talking about the power to make people discover clear facts about this world. Not things that inspire already imaginative people to express their imaginations in poetic and artistic ways. Or about social cohesion (which by the way) occurred long before religion ever came about.

The archaeological evidence as currently exists suggests that religion has been a part of art and man since as far as human culture has existed...there is no separation of art and religion my friend..only words of difference..which too..are words of religion and art...IT IS only the interpretations that are different..

The science of Anthropology describes this better than any other science as IT is the science of man ITself....

So ART is religion..there is no question about that in actual linguistics...and the archaeological record that currently is on the record....

And technically speaking from the science of man that is called Anthropology science is religion my friend..and religion is the first science and last science of man too..that still exists...everywhere that man exists..and still in the overwhelming majority of the western world as well as the other countries..too...

And as far as math goes...atheism is mathematically doomed in the long run as atheists reproduce less...and per statistics commit suicide more as young people..the connection that IS..or what can be described as GOD...for those that share It..almost never commit suicide..as this thing called religion works to help people to reproduce and find the connections with others in life that are vital for subsistence..Just a scientific fact my friend..and something I have researched over the years..that I have plenty of references for upon request....

Japan has one of the largest percentage of atheists in the western world..and people in that country..the young ones that is..have lost all interest in reproduction....many of them that is...
Yeah in the end science proves that atheism in general does not work well for survival of the species in smaller groups...or even larger groups now...

And my friends who are atheists are the best friends I have ...many of them...these are just facts..that is all.. nothing derogatory or negative in true affect or effect from me...intended...

It's amazing really if you use intellectual sincerity here...as really many atheists..have the same type of non evidence beliefs as so called Christians etc..

As many so called smart atheists even here..will present the myth that atheism is growing in the world where in effect nothing could be farther from the truth..in actual science...as the religious folks are still breeding like bunnies...

No, I have remained on the topic of science alone. It is you who seem to continually try to hijack your own thread onto religion. One might suspect that was your intent all along? A anti-religion thread baited as a 'science only' topic?

No I came here for the science. What has it to do with religion? Its just that I look at it realistically as it actually impacts our world, not as one wishes it would in fantasy. And it can not rise above the flawed humans who make it. Science has placed a box of grenades in the monkey cage. Good job!

Haha..that's great..I'm going to have to quote you on that in the future...

"Science has placed a box of grenades in the monkey cage"...

While scientists are busy exploring the details of life..the big picture keeps on going..and going...and going..the primate one that Is....that in effect in reality has changed very little in hundreds of thousands of years...

We are just apes with the clothing of culture..that IS ALL..who think they know a little more than their neighbor monkeys...

It's quite ironic and even hilarious too...as we depend on this planet..and don't mind destroying the whole thing through science..so we can basically all die one day...unless some common sense arises...that thing that very few people who actually do science possess...in large quantities if one wills...

WEll that's why we have moral platitudes..and religion..to make sure that scientists don't kill the whole dam thing...oh yeah..got to link this video 'write' about now..as IT says it all about science and in total effect of all empty IT all could be...

It's not just a movie...It foreshadows the future...there is really no escape from scientists..now it appears..the mad ones.the logical ones..that have no idea that they are really the insane ones..in the common sense reality...

And yeah I am a scientist too..so in effect if I am making fun of anyone here I am making fun of myself2..that's the most ironic part of all..when someone can learn to laugh at themselves while killing themselves in total effect at the same time...

It's not that funny..you see..not when you finally get there...I'm probably too old for that..that is.. to actually see It..but some of the folks reading and writing here may get to... been there done that...before all is done and said...

It might be a big joke now..but IT WILL not be funny @ALL when IT appears IT WILL....BE

Unless man as whole grows a whole lot more common sense brains at one time very quickly now...

IN effect we need many more poets..not scientists to make this whole thing work...to even survive in the long term...

It does not and cannot happen without motivations of emotions....

For the most part..Science does not do that very well..per the designs and process involved...


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The intent was clear all along. Did you even check the link? Also, yes, you're off-topic because this isn't about the ethical challenges that science has had to face, but about why belief in science is not the same as belief in religion and why it should no longer be called belief.

But it looks like you just came here because of an agenda against science.

No, it's called art, expression, whatever, not religion. You need to stop changing the definitions of important words like "God" and "religion" just to suit your arguments.

Also, look to the non-human animals around who do social cohesion. Do they look like they practice religion? Next thing you're going to tell me is that, yes, they do.

Oh gosh the beauty of semantics..well no you don't own language and neither do I..so that's all this is IS semantics my friend..you call it what YOU want..but my language here is backed up by the actual science of anthropology...

And yes..animals do have rudimentary cultures.and structures and routines that resemble religions..elephants are an excellent example as they have death rituals...

Linguistics was a core part of my studies in Anthropology..language is only a structure for meaning..an abstract construct is all that language is..and in reality..all we are is language..when it comes to communicating...so in reality..this whole conversation IS an illusion that is only suited to each of our experienceS..and current illusion of reality..expressed through language...But anyway the truth remains the truth..neither you or I can change that...WHATEVER IS IS....BUT WE CAN MODIFY THE EXPERIENCE OF IT THROUGH OBSERVATION AND ANALYSIS..AND OUR IMPACT THEREOF..ON THE TRUTH THAT IS...WHATEVER....IS IT...REALITY....AS IS...IS ALL...AS IS IT...

There has to be some form of consistency in the meanings of words, at least so arguments about science and religion don't get so convoluted that all of a sudden gravity is religion and Scientology is science.