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26 Oct 2013, 11:07 pm

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Really..mind hacks ...over Federal Government Classification...

I'll have to take the government over one website.. my friend...
Ha, that's funny considering government classifications in the past :lol: Point of fact it is not simply one website but a debate in general. I would suggest you view the evidence presented by both sides before you draw a conclusion.

So, empathy is an innate quality which is part of your genetic makeup. You claim to have been around thousands of children and will undoubtedly have witnessed young children stealing and harming other young children. How do you explain this behavior, which appears to contradict their natural and ingrained tendencies. Why does one child with a toy cry when he has a toy that the other child is crying for. Because the child wants to keep the toy and cries to maintain it. Why does a child cry after he hurts another child. Because he wants to avoid punishment. Crying does not always equate to sadness , nor do expressions of sadness equate to empathy.


I"ve viewed hundreds of peer reviewed research articles that all come to the conclusion that humans overall are cooperative social animals...

Yeah..children cry..but that certainly does not make them bad to the bone...

They are just not to the point yet..where cognitive empathy is enhanced...and once again..yeah there are exceptions..for people with difficulty with the core building blocks of empathy..that lead to strong human relationships...but again...certainly not always the case...depending on the disorder..and..or environment an individual is raised in...how they were treated etc.etc.etc....


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27 Oct 2013, 10:50 am

Well, I would like to read a study that properly controls variables and measures empathy in a precise manner.


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27 Oct 2013, 9:03 pm

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Well, I would like to read a study that properly controls variables and measures empathy in a precise manner.


There is an institute that is leading the way in studying Empathy in Sweden...

It is the Max Planck mind instate...

There is a scientist by the name of Singer that is leading the way of research on Empathy there...

That's only one example..you can even start with something as simple as the Wiki article on empathy to find many more...

These folks are real rock stars of science at the Max planck Mind Institute..

It is not a place for social commentary..IT iS real hard science...

Even when IT comes to the science of the psychology of the human mind...

Any behavior that is observed can be measured by the scientific method...

And so called 'bad' behavior (outside of the social norm) s certainly one of the easiest measurable behaviors there is...


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28 Oct 2013, 11:32 am

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Any behavior that is observed can be measured by the scientific method...

And so called 'bad' behavior (outside of the social norm) s certainly one of the easiest measurable behaviors there is...
An interesting assessment. What makes you come to the conclusion that these traits can be so easily measured?


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28 Oct 2013, 2:21 pm

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Any behavior that is observed can be measured by the scientific method...

And so called 'bad' behavior (outside of the social norm) s certainly one of the easiest measurable behaviors there is...
An interesting assessment. What makes you come to the conclusion that these traits can be so easily measured?


Behavioral analysis is actually more of a hard science that quantum physics...

It is based strictly on measurable phenomenon...

Whereas science is basically lost on quantum physics..as to how the observer effect works...

So...NO science is perfect..but behavioral analysis is as good as IT gets with measuring what makes human beings tick..

Until we get some type of brain scan analysis..

Which there are limited models that do this..that measure emotional contagion....

And there is a study that shows that individuals with Autism with the condition of Alexithymia which constitutes approximately 85 percent of the studied demographic..experience lesser amounts of emotional empathy..than control groups...

This is done..with a brain scan analysis...

So basically any opinions given on this website..a website for people on the autism spectrum will be skewed away from the average experience of empathy and life overall..

Which means that while I have no idea how you experience empathy..chances are if you are autistic..you may experience it much differently than the average person..which could color your view of the entire human race much differently than most other people...

Personally I have always historically had extreme levels of emotional contagion to the point where I could not separate the emotions of others from myself..

I lost almost all my emotional contagion after a serious chronic illness..

So I've been to both places now...

And yeah the one without emotional contagion..is what I describe as HELL..after living in that world of extreme connection with human beings most of my life...

I can sense the positive and the negative in people..and It is so far..about 80% positive for what I can subjectively measure in my life...

But that my friend is just my opinion..from my own view of my own Universe which i experience..differently as all people do from each other to some degree as understood by modern science...

Science says man is a cooperative animal..and yeah basically a love animal at heart..that makes the human race go on...

Without LOVE the human race is doomed..

And I am talking about the charitable kind of cooperation that human beings strive to make to survive...that is what I am referring to as LOVE..not that mushy stuff that people talk about when the love hormones get jacked up for reproduction..when new lovers hook up...


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28 Oct 2013, 6:27 pm

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Behavioral analysis is actually more of a hard science that quantum physics...

It is based strictly on measurable phenomenon...

Whereas science is basically lost on quantum physics..as to how the observer effect works...

So...NO science is perfect..but behavioral analysis is as good as IT gets with measuring what makes human beings tick..


Quantum Physics is kind of on shaky science ground. The Problem with Psychology is that it is subjective and can be hard to reproduce the same results.


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28 Oct 2013, 7:31 pm

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Behavioral analysis is actually more of a hard science that quantum physics...

It is based strictly on measurable phenomenon...

Whereas science is basically lost on quantum physics..as to how the observer effect works...

So...NO science is perfect..but behavioral analysis is as good as IT gets with measuring what makes human beings tick..


Quantum Physics is kind of on shaky science ground. The Problem with Psychology is that it is subjective and can be hard to reproduce the same results.


Actually, quantum physics is not on shaky ground, it's pretty well established. The only problem with quantum physics is that it took us a while to get over the philosophical implications involving the loss of determinism but that doesn't have much to do with science as such. All we know is that quantum physics accurately describes how nature works on the atomic scale and smaller.



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28 Oct 2013, 8:38 pm

Sherlock03 wrote:
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Behavioral analysis is actually more of a hard science that quantum physics...

It is based strictly on measurable phenomenon...

Whereas science is basically lost on quantum physics..as to how the observer effect works...

So...NO science is perfect..but behavioral analysis is as good as IT gets with measuring what makes human beings tick..


Quantum Physics is kind of on shaky science ground. The Problem with Psychology is that it is subjective and can be hard to reproduce the same results.


Of course..all human beings change from second to second adapting to the environment..through the process of neuroplasticity..and epigenetic influences...

For instance at the height of my reciprocal social communication difficulties I scored 44 to 45 on the Autism Quotient test..

Now I score an 11...

The therapist I see considers it an actual miracle...

Not only is the brain an organ with a great potential for adaptation..the physical body as whole..does the similar process when faced with environmental demands..not before challenged...

For instance at age 13..I was an extremely scrawny kid..but never the less very strong for my size..almost unbelievably strong..as my body did what it had to..to survive the bullies in the environment..

At age 48 I could not lift my arms without almost passing out...

Now I dance almost like a professional dancer..and can easily curl 210 pounds on a Nautilus machine with my arms..at age 53...

And I am about 6 FT and weigh 222LBs of mostly muscle over fat..as compared to 5ft 10 and about 120 Lbs at 13...

Bottom line is I am stronger and healthier than at any time in my life..overall...

Other bottom line is..if people tell you getting weak is inevitable when you reach your fifties...or your mind will diminish..they know limitations..that IS ALL..and those of US that don't..can do pretty much whatever they find their passion for...

Human beings are incredible biological machines that can adapt to incredible challenges in life..

Problems is though that when people believe they have limitations and cannot meet expectations..they simply do not meet them...

Whereas people with no belief in limitations can meet almost any personal expectation..with the correct ingredients of passion and overall drive to survive..

Nature takes care of the rest of IT..

So in short there will never be overall consistent results for any species..adapting to a challenging environment..in measuring the way the mind works from one day to the next...

But this is actually great as humans can only put themselves in Jail by expecting consistencies in potentials rather than almost unlimited potentials..which is the reality of being a human...

That is basically why we exist today...

This great ability for adapting to almost any environmental challenge..

But yeah..Roaches are still..KINg as far as adapting to the environment goes....

But anyway..even tests like the AQ test..offer insights into human behavior..

An 11..is incredible for a person on the spectrum...

But seriously with due humility..and objective analysis..I am incredible..

But anyone who truly has passion for living and surviving can be incredible too...

Including you if..you are not already there...


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28 Oct 2013, 9:51 pm

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Actually, quantum physics is not on shaky ground, it's pretty well established. The only problem with quantum physics is that it took us a while to get over the philosophical implications involving the loss of determinism but that doesn't have much to do with science as such. All we know is that quantum physics accurately describes how nature works on the atomic scale and smaller.
I am not an expert, but from what I have read, the theory's are almost impossible to test but have a certain logical order.


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29 Oct 2013, 11:07 am

Sherlock03 wrote:
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Actually, quantum physics is not on shaky ground, it's pretty well established. The only problem with quantum physics is that it took us a while to get over the philosophical implications involving the loss of determinism but that doesn't have much to do with science as such. All we know is that quantum physics accurately describes how nature works on the atomic scale and smaller.
I am not an expert, but from what I have read, the theory's are almost impossible to test but have a certain logical order.


Yes you are correct.. I think he just misunderstood your intent in communication... I understood you...

Science is pouring out an incredible amount of money to even attempt to test these theories..

But yes..this phenomenon exists..There is no doubt about that...

We as humans observing the forces of energy are energy in effect and affect energy in effect also....

That IS really just common sense..

For people who are truly mindfully aware of their realities..this is everyday experience....

Throughout the age of human beings existence on this planet....

But not everyone can sense this common sense..

Therefore there are people who do not have this common sense...

It is more a less a disability..
In real life..

Th@IS....

For those who truly perceive what can be...

Of WH@IS....
IS
IT...
In total of ALL..as ONE..
WE ARE IT..
AS ONE..

It's not easy to find language to describe these nuances of human perception..but I try..itry..ITry..ICry!
And nah..not the tears kind of crying...

JUST PASSION IS ALL....
IS IT IS ALL....
ONE


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