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21 Nov 2013, 9:55 pm

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In other words, LKL was right.


If you don't like me calling you a duck, stop waddling and quacking.


When did you ever call me a duck?



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21 Nov 2013, 9:57 pm

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While there may be some diversity among people who call themselves "Libertarians" outside of the USA, within the USA they are all pretty much the same, right down to their IQ levels.

They're carrying guns, waving signs and placards at "tea parties", reading nonsensical newsletters, listening to hate radio, etc. etc.


Quack quack quack quack...


Yes. They also make quacking sounds.



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21 Nov 2013, 9:58 pm

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Stop feeding the troll.


Speaking of the T-Word, which Libertarians invariably invoke whenever their precious faith is challenged:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/73359 ... bertarians

http://www.alternet.org/story/149197/ar ... versations



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22 Nov 2013, 1:42 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Speaking of the T-Word, which Libertarians invariably invoke whenever their precious faith is challenged:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/73359 ... bertarians

http://www.alternet.org/story/149197/ar ... versations


If you'd ever said anything of value, I'd address it, but all you're doing is the same trolling you've always done, so I'm giving you the level of attention and respect you deserve.

By all means, continue to buttress my argument that you add nothing of value to this board and do nothing but wind people up, it makes things easier.


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22 Nov 2013, 3:23 am

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Libertarians support the abolishment of laws that protect workers and minorities from the majority or from exploitive businesses, so no.


Are all liberals homogenous? Conservatives? Feminists? Then why do you keep acting like libertarians are all the same? (this is aimed at more than you, you're just the latest in the pileup)

I will rephrase: the most popular, politically powerful libertarians in the US today support the abolishment of laws that protect workers and minorities from the majority or from exploitive businesses, so no. The same libertarians are also anti-choice wrt. abortion.



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22 Nov 2013, 7:28 am

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I'm not getting your point. You still got your scan. If someone has to wait a while for a scan, but still does eventually get it, it's still better than not getting it at all.
Admittedly, the ACA isn't perfect, but until problems which you brought up are addressed, it's still better than not having that medical coverage.
And on a related point - best not to bring up chiropractors with me, because I consider them to be quacks and frauds.


The point was that the CT scan was faster and used less radiation because of innovations made since the last time. Those innovations will not tend to happen absent the profit motive. Better equipment, in turn, demands a cost to pay for it. Likewise, the garbage about insurance only paying "X% of 'usual and customary'" results in inflated costs so the service provider can be ensured that they are getting the amount needed to justify keeping their doors open.

Likewise, the time and money WASTED in dealing with insurance billing adds to the cost of providing service. Many doctors are going "cash only" so they can offer services at what they know to be a reasonable price. These doctors don't end up wasting income paying people to code insurance claim forms on the hope they will get paid in 3-6 months by the insurance carrier. ALL OF THIS HAS A COST IMPACT, but did you see the ACA address the garbage on "usual and customary" percentages or simplifying the insurance billing process to cut the cost and work put upon the service providers? These would have been more meaningful reforms but weren't done.



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22 Nov 2013, 8:12 am

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Likewise, the time and money WASTED in dealing with insurance billing adds to the cost of providing service. Many doctors are going "cash only" so they can offer services at what they know to be a reasonable price. These doctors don't end up wasting income paying people to code insurance claim forms on the hope they will get paid in 3-6 months by the insurance carrier. ALL OF THIS HAS A COST IMPACT, but did you see the ACA address the garbage on "usual and customary" percentages or simplifying the insurance billing process to cut the cost and work put upon the service providers? These would have been more meaningful reforms but weren't done.


Doctors switching to cash only just when everyone is going to get insurance? That is not good business sense. I can understand not taking Medicare and Medicaid patients, now that their reimbursements are going to be significantly lower, but cash only will result in failed medical practices. Medicare and Medicaid are a substantial portion of most medical facilities' revenue, as they are guaranteed, unlike the bills they send out to those who do not have insurance, but with the newer restrictions, the profit margins on government reimbursement have fallen drastically.

You think that money is wasted on billing insurance companies? Really? Where do you think the largest portion of a medical facility's income originates? Insurance billing has the highest ROI out of all medical provider expenses. With more insured customers comes more revenues.

And since you seem to have missed my earlier post, I will put it here again:

You do realize that with tens of millions of newly insured people, the profits for medical facilities and medical practitioners is going to skyrocket based on increased traffic alone, don't you? Do you also realize that the biggest cuts to profit (other than those who cannot pay) come from the limitations recently placed on Medicare and Medcaid compensation (by our Republican pals in DC) and not from getting less cash from an insurance company (since new minimum standards will ensure that insurance covers more and limits the minimum reimbursements the insurance companies pay out)?


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22 Nov 2013, 9:22 am

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If you'd ever said anything of value, I'd address it,


By "anything of value", you mean something in fawning support of Libertarianism?



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22 Nov 2013, 10:36 am

LKL wrote:
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LKL wrote:
Libertarians support the abolishment of laws that protect workers and minorities from the majority or from exploitive businesses, so no.


Are all liberals homogenous? Conservatives? Feminists? Then why do you keep acting like libertarians are all the same? (this is aimed at more than you, you're just the latest in the pileup)

I will rephrase: the most popular, politically powerful libertarians in the US today support the abolishment of laws that protect workers and minorities from the majority or from exploitive businesses, so no. The same libertarians are also anti-choice wrt. abortion.


Consequently, just say "ditto" for the Libertarian laity.



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22 Nov 2013, 11:05 am

By the way, according to Libertarianism's Founding Father:

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html

Ayn Rand wrote:
An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?

...Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a “right to life.” A piece of protoplasm has no rights—and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone’s benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings.


The modern Libertarians are departing from holy writ in order to get Bible thumpers on their side. But, typically, they only claim to be anti-abortion so that they can get elected and damage the economic system, like old Romping Rabies did. For the most part, there is no reason to take Libertarians seriously on this one.



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22 Nov 2013, 11:09 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm not getting your point. You still got your scan. If someone has to wait a while for a scan, but still does eventually get it, it's still better than not getting it at all.
Admittedly, the ACA isn't perfect, but until problems which you brought up are addressed, it's still better than not having that medical coverage.
And on a related point - best not to bring up chiropractors with me, because I consider them to be quacks and frauds.


The point was that the CT scan was faster and used less radiation because of innovations made since the last time. Those innovations will not tend to happen absent the profit motive. Better equipment, in turn, demands a cost to pay for it. Likewise, the garbage about insurance only paying "X% of 'usual and customary'" results in inflated costs so the service provider can be ensured that they are getting the amount needed to justify keeping their doors open.

Likewise, the time and money WASTED in dealing with insurance billing adds to the cost of providing service. Many doctors are going "cash only" so they can offer services at what they know to be a reasonable price. These doctors don't end up wasting income paying people to code insurance claim forms on the hope they will get paid in 3-6 months by the insurance carrier. ALL OF THIS HAS A COST IMPACT, but did you see the ACA address the garbage on "usual and customary" percentages or simplifying the insurance billing process to cut the cost and work put upon the service providers? These would have been more meaningful reforms but weren't done.


Who says American innovation can't live side-by-side with social protection for those who couldn't pay for that great technology?


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22 Nov 2013, 11:15 am

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Well, hopefully some of the sections outside of Politics, Philosophy and Religion are supportive.

it is just that when I see the high people here enjoying their middle/upper class tax breaks out of one side of their mouth while carping bitterly out the other side over the relative crumbs thrown towards the working class, it makes me wonder.


It is very possible that regardless of their current success that they were bullied in their younger life..and being a bully to those on their lower perceived pecking order..gives them intrinsic satisfaction...

Unfortunately that is one of the more 'base' elements of human nature but the hope can be that humans can overcome that with conscious effort and attention to ethics that match the goal to treat ALL others as valuable human beings...

But the greatest thing is per inherent bliss that love is the way to the greatest experiences of life as ALL...!

ANd nah..that's not just a platitude..it is an evidenced fact in science now per overall human wellbeing..

Hate sucks..and Love gains...

A
GAIN
AS
ALWAYs...

my friend..

so in total effect you are the lucky one...
not they!

So just continue smiling if one can..and defend your brothers and sisters.. is all..

It's basically what that dude Jesus..Buddha and all those folks related...

It isn't rocket science..just a way to overcome some of the darker elements of human nature....

And simply live in Bliss..

Who wouldn't want that..and nah it is not something that money can buy....
But ya..already kNow that ?huh...heh!
so smiles a
GAIN
TH@ISALL:)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Otla5157c[/youtube]

'You oughta look out' is overrated..

You only live once...no matter how many times..

Is a great way.. in only my opinion..

Money sucks..LIfe is where it's at....

It's always been free...

Until

Recently...a few thousand years ago..
TH@IS.....


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22 Nov 2013, 11:55 am

Well, guess what?

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-signs-oba ... 40766.html

After so much crying and whining about Obamacare, and doing his level best to destroy it, even John Boehner has signed up. :D



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22 Nov 2013, 11:59 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Well, guess what?

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-signs-oba ... 40766.html

After so much crying and whining about Obamacare, and doing his level best to destroy it, even John Boehner has signed up. :D


Confucius said: When rape is inevitable lie back and enjoy it.

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22 Nov 2013, 12:17 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Well, guess what?

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-signs-oba ... 40766.html

After so much crying and whining about Obamacare, and doing his level best to destroy it, even John Boehner has signed up. :D


Confucius said: When rape is inevitable lie back and enjoy it.

ruveyn


Well, he could have followed Mr. Romney's lead, and simply refused.



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22 Nov 2013, 12:28 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Well, guess what?

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-signs-oba ... 40766.html

After so much crying and whining about Obamacare, and doing his level best to destroy it, even John Boehner has signed up. :D


Confucius said: When rape is inevitable lie back and enjoy it.

ruveyn


Spoken like a true patriarch..smiles..

But through a culture of little to no REAL effective respect for women...

That's gone though Reuvyn..for the most part in REAL LIFE REALITY NOW...

The women are in control now..as much as men..for the most part..in REAL life....and so are those on the bottom end in actual reality..as they are going to get a free ride..so it doesn't make it toO bumpy for those who got it 'made'..for themselves....

Society will not work any other way without anarchy..as people simply have to eat..and the jobs are no longer there..for any substantial security OR SUBSISTENCE FOR MANY PEOPLE..AND about half of even college graduates that are currently attempting to get into the workforce..where jobs for them simply do not exist...

Affordable and Accessible Health Insurance and Health Care..is a vital element of this overall pie..and the only way..this country is ever going to be productive overall in THE distant future..as people without health care simply get disabled earlier in life..overall2....

It's not a perfect fix..but it is the only possible acceptable fix at this point in time..so it is what it is..and we might as well get used to it..as even if we don't need or like it..it is the law and here to stay...

Getting rid of it is only idle lip service at this point..FOR THE MOST PART..to thump political chests..for local constituencies....

IN ONLY my opinion....


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