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he was gods son but, arent we all gods children? my major issue about him is that he died for our sins, so... we can all do what we want now? all these people claim to follow jesus but those same people do things from bullying in school to start wars. we celebrate his birthday by buying a lot of unnecessary things. dk much about him but i doubt that that is what he taught and wanted us to do. im no religion freak, in fact i believe the ancient gods were ETs. i think today needs another jesus. or for him to come back. i personally have been trying to spread joy, laughter, and wisdom to the people around me. i just hate all this bad in the world. idk how to turn this into a question or a repliable post. i just wanna discuss him and the current world i guess.

If he comes back, he's coming back pissed.There is a verse in Revelation that says he will destroy those that destroy the earth.I wish he'd hurry it up.

The difference is basically that Jesus is God's "biological" son and we are His adopted children.
Just because Jesus died for your sins, it doesn't mean it's okay to let all hell break loose. Isn't it hypocritical to say you follow Jesus but then go and break every rule He's given? While it's true that good deeds alone cannot grant you salvation, that doesn't make it acceptable to do bad deeds and just ask for forgiveness once you're done. Just like in real life: saying you're sorry doesn't make it so. And if that's how everyone interpreted Christianity then the apocalypse would've happened long ago. Satan would have won because everyone would be doing exactly what he wants them to - defy God. Having faith that Jesus saved you from your sins means living that faith by following Jesus' teachings.
Christmas has become increasingly commercialized which isn't really surprising given the consumer mentality and all the new products that everyone wants. The gift giving itself comes from the three wise men who brought gifts to the baby Jesus (who would've actually been at least a few months old when they arrived during what we now know as Christmas. It took them a long time to get there since they were going on camels). And obviously, the economic situation is much different now than it was during Bible times so that leads to people being able to buy more. And if you can buy more, why wouldn't you?

Many so-called Christians are hypocrites, yes. But a true Christian (sounds so elitist, but I don't know how else to put it) follows God's commands because they love him. They recognize that Jesus would not accept the words "I'm sorry, forgive me" if there was no actual remorse behind them.

Assuming the Bible to be correct, I think he'd be pretty pissed at the world. So much potential to do wonderful things with our technology and knowledge, but suffering is still rampant and it is not in our economic interests to fix it so problems are largely ignored. And what we've done to the day his birth is celebrated misses the point entirely and continues to promote greed.

When I was a kid, Christians were always so nice, I didn't mind being around them and I went to church every Sunday. Even though I never said anything, in my mind, I questioned a lot of what I heard in Children's Church and Sunday School. It just didn't make sense to me. I didn't believe in miracles. I didn't believe someone could be resurrected from the grave after three days. I also had an extremely different time believing the story of Noah's Ark although it was a favorite because it had animals. I didn't mention it to anyone because they would get really angry and freak out if I questioned church or God.

Nowadays, I don't bother going to church because grown Christians are supposed to be a certain way, married, for example, and I don't fit the Christian model. I wear too many jeans and pairs of yoga pants and not enough skirts and dresses. I have a serious issue with hose on my legs. I cannot stand the feeling, it makes my skin crawl. So I balk at all the stuff I have to do to go to church on Sundays. I also chafe at having to listen to someone preach once a week about stuff I might not necessarily agree with.

It was just easier to go to church as a kid and what they told us at the church I went to seemed innocuous enough. Once, they showed us a movie about the rapture. but that's as controversial as they ever got. They also told us we'd go to hell if we listened to heavy metal.

Panty hose,ugh.It makes me itch.I only liked going to mass with a friend.It smelled good and there were interesting things to look at.And the services were shorter.

First, punctuation is your friend...just a thought.

Second, we're all made in God's image, but the Bible says that "child" status is only granted to those who accept Christ as Lord and Savior. There's multiple verses warning against mocking Jesus' sacrifice by treating His grace like it doesn't matter. There's hypocrites in every belief system, which is why its so important to examine the various faiths by looking at their founders, not modern-day followers.

The practice of giving gifts at Christmas is based on the wise men who brought gold, frankincense, and myrrh to Jesus as a baby. We do this as a sign of our love for both God and each other, treating others as we would want to be treated. Bankrupting yourself in the process is stupid and foolish, though.

The issue of suffering and evil in the world goes all the way back to Eden, when Adam & Eve abused the freedom God had given them through rebellion. A terrible curse was triggered by that, which spread to everything on Earth...and it won't be completely eradicated until Jesus comes back. A time is coming when God will destroy this planet, and remake it the way it was originally.

Then someone might be in for a spanking.

Modern Christianity is an entirely different philosophy than what Christ taught. Jesus claimed that we all have God within (Luke 17:;21also when told that he was blasphemous for claiming that he was the son of God answered that it was no big deal,ye are gods also!)
Unfortunately, such a rebellious philosophy was co-opted by the ruling elite. Instead of experiencing God ("and all these things will be added unto you" does not refer to worldly goods. You will become moral when you lose the illusion of ego) one must obey those that have a greater (they do not) understanding of God.
The elites turned spirituality into religion. In other words, they changed a system of liberation
into a system of repression. A system to ensure our obedience to worldly elites. In a sense, since modern Christianity (with its emphasis on slave like obedience ) is the opposite of what Christ believed, one can consider it the belief system of the anti-Christ.

Read Bart Ehrman's book on what Jesus was really about:

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Apocalyptic ... B000GI3602

I wouldn't trust Ehrman as a reliable source o Jesus, since he writes books condemning Christianity for money, while at the same time co-authored a book supporting Jesus' divinity. The guy's an opportunistic hypocrite, plain and simple.

I like Ehrman! * But that is beside the point. In what way does he claim that Jesus was the one and only son of God?
* I am a Michigander ( and a troll actually !. I was raised and have a house in the lower peninsula. People in the upper peninsula are called Yuppers. Those in the lower peninsula are called trolls because we live beneath the Mackinaw bridge, that connects the two peninsulas.) Anyway, Ehrman lives nearby, now that I live in North Carolina.
My appreciation of Ehrman, however, is not based on geography. I have read his books and find them inciteful (I love anything that incites a riot! ), not hypocritical!

Please feel free to back up your claims when you can. Until then, empty claims.

This sounds like you have only encountered traditional or hardline or evangelical churches, not liberal ones. I see you are keeping anonymous which country you are in - that might affect whether there are any liberal churches around, e,.g,. American bible belt. In Britain you can find liberal churches, most easily Anglican ones. But stupidly, because of church politics, whether a church is liberal or hardline is still not declared on its front door or signpost. You can only find them by shopping around.
Yay, me too, this is my sensory issue. I would never belong to any church with dress standards and I have never had any problem wearing shorts to 2 Anglican churches, either my present liberal one, or my previous one that I left for drifting too far towards Evangelical despite having a liberal deputy minister.
That's modern Evangelical Christinity. Not modern Liberal Anglicanism.

True, Tern, I live in the Bible Belt, central US. People go to church in this area to be around those conservative types. They don't long to see them in their church. They go to mingle with other people that live the way Jesus says to in the Bible and he was pro marriage and family. You live in such a location people are a bit modernized so the churches will cater to whomever predominates.

I live in North Carolina and go to the Unitarian /Universalist church. There is a huge one in Raleigh but many smaller ones around the state. My point is that even here in the south there are liberal, non-dogmatic churches.