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12 Jan 2014, 9:17 am

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ah, you seem to have missed my point we are in a way all God, These very concepts of belief, These "Gods" are what we all have within us all.
There are those who go through life searching for the answer and yet find nothing.

There are those who fight to the death in the pointless blood baths we call war, Just for the reason that they believe there God/Gods to be the only true one.

I'm not saying your belief is wrong, quite the contrary, I'm saying that because you believe he's real makes him real to you.

I find the human subconscious a remarkable thing, for It has the power to change to very fabric of reality through the eyes of the person housing the thought.

However if you wish to cause a debate, may I remind you that Christianity is a fairly new belief and there hundreds all similar and yet defferent you claim god created the universe and all life, but how do you know? You read it in a book that was written by man in the desert? Was he there to witness creation? Who was?

You see if what you say were true God would have been alone at the start so how and why would we find out about this 65 Billion years after the fact?


Well..actually I did not miss your point HERE at all..you are putting quite a few words here in my mouth that i have not stated anywhere on this site...

That is if you are addressing me..which it seems you are...

I believe GOD is just a metaphor...IS ALL for the ESSENCE OF IS

But ya see..IS IS not just an empty vehicle or VESSEL...

IT IS A POWER AND A FORCE THAT HUMANS CAN BETTER CONNECT TO..TO USE FOR AMAZING POSITIVE ENERGY IN LIFE...

IT IS ENERGY..NOT PERSONALITY..MY FRIEND..IN MY OPINION...

THE BIBLE IS JUST A RATHER LARGE BOOK OF POETRY...

IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY BY THOSE WHO CREATED THAT BOOK OF POETRY...

Like all poetry there are gems of insight and rocks of dissonance..

But overall.. humans communicate in whatever way they can..to gain a more positive existence...

IF THEY ARE TRULY INTELLIGENT...

IF NOT..

OH WELL...

LIFE AND OR GOD..THE FORCE THAT IS ALL...

AIN'T FAIR EITHER....

TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE MY PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE..

ONE NEED NOT GO FAR...

IT IS ALMOST PRECISELY THE SAME AS BRUCE LEE'S..DOWN TO TAI CHI AND THE MARTIAL ARTS..I USE IN COPYING NO ONE ELSE BUT DEVELOPING MY OWN UNIQUE ART OF THIS..FOR MYSELF AS I CONNECT TO THIS FORCE THAT I DESCRIBE AS GOD...

Well..Bruce Lee did clearly state that he was an atheist..but ya see..back in them days..in the main stream US the religious right referred to GOD more as a patriarchal personality..than a FORCE FOR EVERY f*****g ONE IN THE f*****g ENTIRE UNIVERSE...LIKE BRUCE LEE DID THEN..AND I AM DOING PRECISELY KNOWnow....

SO MY GOD IS THIS FORCE AND I CHOOSE TO USE THE METAPHOR OF GOD TO HOUSE THAT FORCE...AS VEHICLE OR VESSEL..

BUT I ALSO USE THE WORD.. IS
ALLAHGODALLAH...ALLITIS..
THE ONE
OR SIMPLY
ONE

ALL THESE WORDS ARE JUST f*****g VEHICLES AND VESSELS FOR THE ESSENCE OF

ALLITIS

THE FORCE...

YAH..STAR WARS IS ONE OF THE BEST ARTISTIC ENDEAVORS TO DESCRIBE THE GOD THAT IS...

MUCH BETTER THAN MODERN CHRISTIANITY..THAT SPENDS MUCH OF 'Their' LEISURE TIME IN TOTAL EFFECT OF HATING HOMOSEXUALS AND FOLKS THAT PRACTICE OTHER RELIGIONS..AND OF COURSE..GENERATING BIG BUCKS....

THAT'S SIMPLY IDIOTIC..GOD OR THE FORCE..IF IT COULD...

WOULD BE LAUGHING AT THEM ALL THE WAY TO ETERNITY....

BUT YOU SEE..EVEN MORE IRONIC..IS THERE IS AT LEAST SOME CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WAS A BUDDHIST MONK...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAaW6BYhfNM[/youtube]

MUCH MORE THAN A JEWISH PATRIARCH...

THE TAI CHI..MY UNIQUE ART OF IT..THAT I PRACTICE..

HAS BEEN PRACTICED CLOSE TO 70K YEARS..IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER..

IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY...
AS IT IS THE TRUE EXPRESSION OF GOD...

SIMPLY THE ENERGY..THAT MAKES THIS WHOLE f*****g THING WORK...

THE UNIVERSE MY FRIEND...

THE UNIVERSE..AND EVERYTHING ELSE...

AS FAR AS I SEE....

AND YES.. EVEN EINSTEIN TOO....PER HIS PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE....

And please note i also use art IN the typed language of English Communication..
in a unique way too..

We live in a world of microsecond attention spans...

It takes a great deal of creative effort..to keep a real reading audience...
engaged...i use EVERY method i can imagine..to make that happen...

Cause i experience..this thing that Jesus the Buddhist Monk..and MANY OF his 'monk friends'..

who describe IT.. as Nirvana or Bliss.. almost all the friggin time...

i got the secret friend...to get there...almost all the time.... AND OH! YES MANY OTHERS DO 2....

I try to communicate IT...

But the truth from Jesus..IS LOST FOR THE MOST PART AND MANIPULATED TO CONTROL PEOPLE..

INSTEAD OF HIS SIMPLE WISH...

TO SET THEM FREE...

THAT IS THE SADDEST PART OF MODERN CHRISTIANITY....

IN EFFECT.. IT IS OPPOSITE TO WHAT THE 'BUDDHIST MONK JESUS' WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS PER HIS

CHRIST WHICH IS NO DIFFERENT IN EFFECT.. THAN BECOMING A FULL BUDDHA...

SO IN EFFECT.. THOSE FOLKS ARE THE REAL ANTI-CHRIST...

HOW IRONIC THAT IS...

AND SAD TOO..

AS BLISS AND OR NIRVANA IS A MIGHTY KOOL PLACE TO LIVE.

PERIOD

Anyway..i don't necessarily play by the rules..of other folks...

When a person IS free amazing things can and do result..as an expression of their life

and this thing i describe as GOd..

As clearly illustrated HERE:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2yFA0-B4[/youtube]


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12 Jan 2014, 9:48 am

God as a concept is defined by the fact that he or she is an eternal being and thus to ask who made him or her seems contradictory to how such a concept is defined. However, considering how we process reality, we cannot comprehend the idea of infinity since we perceive reality through cause and effect.



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12 Jan 2014, 10:21 am

fibonaccispiral777 wrote:
God as a concept is defined by the fact that he or she is an eternal being and thus to ask who made him or her seems contradictory to how such a concept is defined. However, considering how we process reality, we cannot comprehend the idea of infinity since we perceive reality through cause and effect.


Precisely..

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12 Jan 2014, 11:00 am

Well than it would seem that we are on the same page after all. However I see "the energy" working on much smaller impact as well as larger ones. I say "The Energy" because have you ever noticed while meeting someone or going somewhere how the way you feel changes. I believe the Chinese call this Fungshway.



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12 Jan 2014, 4:27 pm

JHwolf wrote:
ah, you seem to have missed my point we are in a way all God, These very concepts of belief, These "Gods" are what we all have within us all.
There are those who go through life searching for the answer and yet find nothing.

There are those who fight to the death in the pointless blood baths we call war, Just for the reason that they believe there God/Gods to be the only true one.

I'm not saying your belief is wrong, quite the contrary, I'm saying that because you believe he's real makes him real to you.

I find the human subconscious a remarkable thing, for It has the power to change to very fabric of reality through the eyes of the person housing the thought.

However if you wish to cause a debate, may I remind you that Christianity is a fairly new belief and there hundreds all similar and yet defferent you claim god created the universe and all life, but how do you know? You read it in a book that was written by man in the desert? Was he there to witness creation? Who was?

You see if what you say were true God would have been alone at the start so how and why would we find out about this 65 Billion years after the fact?


Personally, I would say most wars that have been of a 'religious' nature have not been religious at all but have mostly been political or socio-economic in their nature. Take for instance, the witch-burnings. I do not believe that they were caused solely by religion but rather the desire to suppress independent females and a general sub-culture. It was political however used religion as a way of justifying its action. What do you mean the subconscious mind has the power to change the fabric of reality? The subconscious mind has massive amounts of potential but nevertheless has to abide by the natural laws of the universe that any other entity is bound by.

Christianity is fairly new, however is representative of the religious mystery schools that came before it.



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12 Jan 2014, 5:21 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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No one made Him God. He's always been eternal.
Amen!


You from Canada???

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12 Jan 2014, 5:42 pm

JHwolf wrote:
Well than it would seem that we are on the same page after all. However I see "the energy" working on much smaller impact as well as larger ones. I say "The Energy" because have you ever noticed while meeting someone or going somewhere how the way you feel changes. I believe the Chinese call this Fungshway.


I agree with you here too..:)


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18 Mar 2014, 7:07 am

aghogday wrote:
fibonaccispiral777 wrote:
God as a concept is defined by the fact that he or she is an eternal being and thus to ask who made him or her seems contradictory to how such a concept is defined. However, considering how we process reality, we cannot comprehend the idea of infinity since we perceive reality through cause and effect.


Precisely..

QFT


And those facts make this a most entertaining topic. aghogday typed in all caps for several posts in a row and that does not happen every day. I think that I fully agree with the thrust of your thesis. Let me try to recap, and see if I did:

If a person will seriously postulate the idea of a transcendent force which accounts for the strange phenomena associated with quantum particles, accept such an idea on faith, and seek out that force in order to harmonize with it, they can unlock the true nature of reality by means of inexplicable experience of that force.

It makes sense to me that way. We had to get really good at science to know what we know thereby, so you'd only expect that it would take some effort to perceive such an improbable phenomenon. People moved further and further from using their senses directly, because measuring with tools allows for standardization. We amplified our senses thousands of times using tools, but maybe we left one of our senses behind.

Given the rather flexible nature of time and space as regards such phenomena, one might go so far as to deny the necessity of anything ever having first made anything. Everything is a first in it's own right; categories are a useful convention, nothing more. The participants clearly feed energy into the phenomenon, so maybe they created it.

I'd like to add, for my own part: Let's learn to train people to perceive this, then set about surveying the possibilities.



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18 Mar 2014, 9:50 am

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No one made Him God. He's always been eternal.
Amen! :)


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18 Mar 2014, 12:47 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
No one made Him God. He's always been eternal.
Amen! :)


What far-out place do you guys come from where people refer to god in the masculine gender?



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18 Mar 2014, 7:39 pm

Yahweh likely made himself high god by defeating the sea dragon of psalms, as Marduk had done in Babylon and Ba'al did in some form to the north. He then made a move (his priests actually) to secure himself as the only god worth worshipping and that took hundreds of years to accomplish. A similar attempt had been made earlier in Egypt with the sun god Aten but it didn't last.

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God as a concept is defined by the fact that he or she is an eternal being and thus to ask who made him or her seems contradictory to how such a concept is defined. However, considering how we process reality, we cannot comprehend the idea of infinity since we perceive reality through cause and effect


And that's true for any proposed cause or eternal state. We aren't rated to understand it very well. If yesterday's news about an observational breakthrough for inflation is verified by others then we may live in an eternal multiverse of some sort. Both of the theory's primary authors believe that it's hard to have an inflationary universe that doesn't have a multiverse.



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18 Mar 2014, 11:25 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
No one made Him God. He's always been eternal.
Amen! :)


What far-out place do you guys come from where people refer to god in the masculine gender?
He could be a transgender transvestite!


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18 Mar 2014, 11:38 pm

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What far-out place do you guys come from where people refer to god in the masculine gender?
God referred to Himself that way, and the Israelites thousands of years ago described Him as "Father". Jesus later paralleled this, saying "I and the Father are one; when you've seen Me, you've seen the Father. No one comes to the Father but through Me."


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He could be a transgender transvestite!


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19 Mar 2014, 1:08 am

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aghogday wrote:
fibonaccispiral777 wrote:
God as a concept is defined by the fact that he or she is an eternal being and thus to ask who made him or her seems contradictory to how such a concept is defined. However, considering how we process reality, we cannot comprehend the idea of infinity since we perceive reality through cause and effect.


Precisely..

QFT


And those facts make this a most entertaining topic. aghogday typed in all caps for several posts in a row and that does not happen every day. I think that I fully agree with the thrust of your thesis. Let me try to recap, and see if I did:

If a person will seriously postulate the idea of a transcendent force which accounts for the strange phenomena associated with quantum particles, accept such an idea on faith, and seek out that force in order to harmonize with it, they can unlock the true nature of reality by means of inexplicable experience of that force.

It makes sense to me that way. We had to get really good at science to know what we know thereby, so you'd only expect that it would take some effort to perceive such an improbable phenomenon. People moved further and further from using their senses directly, because measuring with tools allows for standardization. We amplified our senses thousands of times using tools, but maybe we left one of our senses behind.

Given the rather flexible nature of time and space as regards such phenomena, one might go so far as to deny the necessity of anything ever having first made anything. Everything is a first in it's own right; categories are a useful convention, nothing more. The participants clearly feed energy into the phenomenon, so maybe they created it.

I'd like to add, for my own part: Let's learn to train people to perceive this, then set about surveying the possibilities.


Yes .. i agree.. i attempt to make my words and concepts as organic as possible as it is almost impossible to understand this force of ONE unless one is more fully experiencing IT..escaping our brain and body washing culture..collective intelligence and complex language that can cloud the essence of ALLITIS...

WELL..some ofTHE folks here are not too happy about my organic ways of communicating..

So i no longer highlight my free verse poetically described insights from my blog..

But ya sound a little interested so here is my latest blog post linked effort as I do EXPERIENCE WHAT EASTERN philosophies..describe as bliss or nirvana..almost every waking second..

(god IS SUPERCULTURAL)

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/03/18 ... rcultural/

And nah..i lived in REAL human hell many years...so i can discern this ..IT IS REAL..and i live in what Eastern philosophies describe as BLISS OR NIRVANA..almost every second of NOW..so i would love to spark something ..anything..in anyone that maY take them to that most wonderful life experience that i knowNOW!..IN their own journey of life..a detour on THEIR PATH to get tHere..perhaps!

But yah..IT IS like taking the horse to the water..one cannot make one drink...the water..of life..as what i see the
ALLITIS the force of ONE!

But there IS always the possibility to spark a connection in someone's life along their journey in life to eventuALLy hopeFULLy arrive at Bliss and or Nirvana..and stay there forevermoreNOW!

..Similar to my life experience NOW! i think..NOT TOO MUCH..i just DO IT..i experience thIS BLISS or Nirvana largely by escaping the logical mind of reductionism of a STILL very mysterious existence OVERALL!


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19 Mar 2014, 5:40 am

I had meant to add something about that, myself, but I felt I had already gone on too long. tl;dr All is one, and so are you if you choose to and seek it.

You have to do all that yourself, though. Not even your god can do it for you. It's a weird sort of experiment and it only makes economic sense for a few people to risk it at this time. A different economic system could create more such opportunities. You have to fully commit to something unprovable which remains unprovable until you fully commit. You may even have to fully commit for many years, so it's a huge investment of resources. That makes it a risky experiment, especially when you go in knowing that you can't communicate your results in full, even if you somehow succeed. Others also have to choose, seek, and experience it for themselves in order to hone their own perceptions to perceive it.