How Hatred of Islam Creates allies of Christians + atheists

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12 Apr 2014, 7:41 pm

Thought this article made some valid points.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/how-athe ... ian-people


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12 Apr 2014, 8:25 pm

The examples of Islamic terrorism go beyond the Palestinian issue, which the author conveniently ignores. I get that he hates Israeli policies, how interesting for him, but the ideology is a bit more widespread than that. Sure, some Israelis have a ridiculous view that an ancient sky daddy gave them some land and some of them are fanatics who are determined to make it worse with settlements. But, oddly enough, Israelis are more secular than Americans. The Jews invented the g-d religion and they don't take it as seriously as the Americans or the Arabs.

Bin Laden gave many reasons for his jihad against the west. The loss of Muslim Spain in the middle ages, US troops on Saudi soil and the Palestinian issue included. Jihadists who long for the Caliphate are the frustrated losers of history. They have a view of cultural self importance that does not match the facts on the ground and it frustrates them because they think their voodoo earns them a seat at the adult's table. They believe that if they can magically appease sky daddy that they will suddenly own Apple and IBM and run the world. Quite a theory. Good luck with it.

Atheists are usually equally opportunity scoffers. I don't think pinning the Arab-Israeli conflict on them is going to fly. And I don't think signing off on a foreign policy approved by Islamic fanatics is a realistic solution to the Islamic inferiority complex. There are things that could be done to reduce our involvement with them but they are going to stage their play with our without us.



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13 Apr 2014, 12:44 am

thomas81 wrote:
Thought this article made some valid points.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/how-athe ... ian-people


Silverman does not speak for the majority of Atheists. I doubt that the majority of Atheists belong to any Atheist organization at all. Atheists who congregate are no different than religious people who congregate. I don't see any difference between Islamists and Christians. Christians are a violent lot. If they have their way Atheists would be eradicated. Well, I will say Christian extremists. Personally, I feel more threatened by Christians than I do Islamists, because Islamic extremists are up front about their agenda. Christian extremists still hide under rocks, but they are still dangerous, because they deny their hatred.



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14 Apr 2014, 12:05 pm

Welll? Nobody likes people who suicide bomb and kill people over stupid crap like a picture of Mohammed drawn or a cartoon.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1wR4ejxi8k[/youtube]


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14 Apr 2014, 12:28 pm

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Welll? Nobody likes people who suicide bomb and kill people over stupid crap like a picture of Mohammed drawn or a cartoon. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1wR4ejxi8k[/youtube]


It's true that killing people over a picture is unreasonable, but knowing that these people have that custom and still doing things with the intent of provoking those people into killing someone means the people doing the inciting and provoking by intentionally throwing pictures and images into the public with the intent of creating hostilities with Muslims are just as responsible for the murders as the ones holding the sword.



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14 Apr 2014, 12:36 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlSknRlQSqs[/youtube]Not to mention harrassing non Muslims in the streets of London>


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14 Apr 2014, 12:42 pm

simon_says wrote:
The examples of Islamic terrorism go beyond the Palestinian issue, which the author conveniently ignores.


It goes back to the foundations of the religion, unfortunately. The doctrine of Islamic jihad is embedded within the Islamic texts and, naturally, this will reflect to a greater or lesser extent in the culture.

The Israeli/Palestinian issue is at its heart a religious war, not a war over territory where a solution can be found.



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14 Apr 2014, 2:08 pm

khaoz wrote:
It's true that killing people over a picture is unreasonable, but knowing that these people have that custom and still doing things with the intent of provoking those people into killing someone means the people doing the inciting and provoking by intentionally throwing pictures and images into the public with the intent of creating hostilities with Muslims are just as responsible for the murders as the ones holding the sword.

I agree completely. Theo van Gogh was responsible for his own death, so it was technically suicide.



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14 Apr 2014, 2:25 pm

khaoz wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Thought this article made some valid points.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/how-athe ... ian-people


Silverman does not speak for the majority of Atheists. I doubt that the majority of Atheists belong to any Atheist organization at all. Atheists who congregate are no different than religious people who congregate. I don't see any difference between Islamists and Christians. Christians are a violent lot. If they have their way Atheists would be eradicated. Well, I will say Christian extremists. Personally, I feel more threatened by Christians than I do Islamists, because Islamic extremists are up front about their agenda. Christian extremists still hide under rocks, but they are still dangerous, because they deny their hatred.


You mean like this Christian who shot up a Jewish Community center this weekend. His group is part of the Christian Identity movement.
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/autho ... s-shooting



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14 Apr 2014, 3:57 pm

GGPViper wrote:
Theo van Gogh was responsible for his own death, so it was technically suicide.


Ayaan Hirsi Ali got what she deserved, being driven out of the Netherlands. Slut murtada.