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15 Apr 2014, 12:28 am

Charity group stopped from handing out free food to homeless after having done so for 6 years. Irrelevant that the story is from August last year. These charity organizations still report this activity.

Meanwhile, the statue on a homeless Jesus on a park bench in N.C is looked upon by local minister seen as a good lesson and perfectly acceptable.

http://lovewins.info/2013/08/feeding-ho ... aleigh-nc/

http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/04 ... mpid=tp-fb



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15 Apr 2014, 2:12 am

It's unfortunate that police threaten to arrest someone without even knowing what law they are accusing the person of breaking. Personally, I would have called them on it, but I have the luxury of knowing I have a legal team at my disposal if I get myself in trouble.


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20 Apr 2014, 1:20 am

As everyone knows, if you give the homeless handouts they will simply multiply and become an unsightly pest. Hell, I would quit my job and abandon my apartment if I could spend the rest of my life begging for free meals on the street! A new compromise bill is being considered. Proposal 61B will require anyone feeding the homeless on the sidewalk request a shoe-shine or toe-nail cleaning in return for their “free” meal. This will instill a proper Godly work ethic in all the unwashed bums.



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20 Apr 2014, 1:28 am

Your "ungodly" post is not even worthy of a response. "As everyone knows?" I am not permitted by the guidelines of this website to give the response you deserve, but your comment above is an example of someone who has no understanding of Godly principles or the teachings of Jesus Christ.



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20 Apr 2014, 2:14 am

I am sorry but I have been homeless and been on the streets with people who are so commonly mischaracterized as "lazy bums' who want a handout.

In reality, the majority of homeless are veterans and people who have lost their jobs and everything they own due to no fault of their own but simply being victims of the economic downturn. That is not mentioning all of the mentally ill among the homeless class who can barely manage to get through the day. I have watched the same homeless people who are at the soup kitchen and the church sleep centers line up in the morning at all of the "day job" centers, sitting for hours waiting for a call to come in to send them to any job they can get. I have watched with my own eyes this process of employment office merry-go-round.

Yes, there are people who will take advantage of the system but these are not in the majority. It is a small segment of people who abuse the system and it is absolutely shameful to exaggerate those numbers to exploit and stigmatize the suffering of other human beings and then turn around and talk about "Godly" things. it is hardly an act of Godliness to minimalize and dehumanize people when they are down.

You do not help people by kneecapping them and shaming them when they are down. That is not the way to help human beings



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20 Apr 2014, 2:58 am

Khaoz

I think s/he was being sarcastic and making fun of an unreasonable mindset in america where the homeless are supposedly lazy people who don't want to work.

I cannot phantom that post not being a joke.



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20 Apr 2014, 8:16 am

marshall wrote:
Hell, I would quit my job and abandon my apartment if I could spend the rest of my life begging for free meals on the street!


Be careful what you wish for :roll:



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20 Apr 2014, 11:50 am

khaoz wrote:
Your "ungodly" post is not even worthy of a response. "As everyone knows?" I am not permitted by the guidelines of this website to give the response you deserve, but your comment above is an example of someone who has no understanding of Godly principles or the teachings of Jesus Christ.

My post was angry/sarcastic. Sorry for not being clear enough. I'm not even Christian, but I agree with you. The whole thing makes me angry.



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20 Apr 2014, 12:03 pm

khaoz wrote:
I am sorry but I have been homeless and been on the streets with people who are so commonly mischaracterized as "lazy bums' who want a handout.

In reality, the majority of homeless are veterans and people who have lost their jobs and everything they own due to no fault of their own but simply being victims of the economic downturn. That is not mentioning all of the mentally ill among the homeless class who can barely manage to get through the day. I have watched the same homeless people who are at the soup kitchen and the church sleep centers line up in the morning at all of the "day job" centers, sitting for hours waiting for a call to come in to send them to any job they can get. I have watched with my own eyes this process of employment office merry-go-round.

Yes, there are people who will take advantage of the system but these are not in the majority. It is a small segment of people who abuse the system and it is absolutely shameful to exaggerate those numbers to exploit and stigmatize the suffering of other human beings and then turn around and talk about "Godly" things. it is hardly an act of Godliness to minimalize and dehumanize people when they are down.

You do not help people by kneecapping them and shaming them when they are down. That is not the way to help human beings


I'm so sorry I upset you. :( Believe me. Even though I'm not religious I sometimes wish there was a hell just to punish all the as*holes in this country. My post was angry satire. I was hoping it was so extreme that nobody would take it literally. I know there really are people out there who think like that and it makes me feel ill and despise the human race. I make fun of a certain mindset because it's easier to laugh than feel rage and despair.



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20 Apr 2014, 12:39 pm

I hear you can make hundreds of dollars a day begging for money posing as a homeless person. Really, if I were homeless and I was doing that, I would open my own bank account and then use the money I earned to get a job or whatever but I would need to go to a shelter first so I have a address to get a job and shower and be clean. Since finding a job is tough for me, getting an apartment would be out of the question since I would be evicted for no rent unless I had saved up tons of money from begging. But I would not spend my days outside for hours begging for money. I think that is more work and I would never want to be homeless.


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20 Apr 2014, 1:20 pm

Presumably, the food is donated, and the group can claim tax deductions for doing this, so they may be indirectly making personal income from doing this.

The question to answer is whether anyone should be able to show up on public land, get no permit, get no approval, unknown origin and safety of the food, and operate whatever charity business they desire for their own personal income ?



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20 Apr 2014, 1:41 pm

Reason just had an article on this type of law:

http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/19/b ... less-persi


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20 Apr 2014, 8:47 pm

Even as a hateful conservative I find laws like that abhorrent. :x
WTF are they going to do, fine someone or take them to jail for sharing food with the needy?


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20 Apr 2014, 8:56 pm

Wouldn't they need to prove that those giving out the food KNEW the recipients were homeless?
Also, if it's legal to give food to people with homes then isn't that discriminatory?



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21 Apr 2014, 12:08 am

So if I bought myself something to eat and I come across a beggar who is homeless asking for money but instead I offer them the food I bought, would that be illegal?


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21 Apr 2014, 12:59 am

League_Girl wrote:
So if I bought myself something to eat and I come across a beggar who is homeless asking for money but instead I offer them the food I bought, would that be illegal?


If they want money, then they may take it as an insult. My mom will never give to beggars directly cause they snickered at her a few times when she did this.

To answer your questions, some governments do have reasons to back up their policies, the Missouri state health department says that hot food cannot be given to beggars cause they don't want people getting food poisoning. The state has food preparation guidelines.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... permit.php