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11 Apr 2014, 9:35 pm

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All your emotions are based on the physical brain. fMRI scans show which parts of the brain are responsible for which emotions. Similarly direct stimulation of those neurons generates those emotions. There is a genetic basis for all the emotions we experience and they have all evolved to aid in our survival. Humans' emotions are more complex than those of animals as we have more complex social relationships.
Brain sections detail things like pain, and chemical responses to emotion like adrenaline or dopamine rushes. They don't account for the emotions themselves.


Yeah, no. This particular field of neuroscience has been covered pretty well



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12 Apr 2014, 3:06 am

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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All your emotions are based on the physical brain. fMRI scans show which parts of the brain are responsible for which emotions. Similarly direct stimulation of those neurons generates those emotions. There is a genetic basis for all the emotions we experience and they have all evolved to aid in our survival. Humans' emotions are more complex than those of animals as we have more complex social relationships.
Brain sections detail things like pain, and chemical responses to emotion like adrenaline or dopamine rushes. They don't account for the emotions themselves.


Yes they do! fMRI scans show particular regions of the brain being active while we experience each emotion. Here, read this article:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/19/4445684/brain--scan-fmri-identify-emotion


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12 Apr 2014, 3:29 am

nothing can be proven.
what is said to be "proof" can really only be "sufficient evidence" in order to convince a mortal intellect. that is why i think "the universe" is BS



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12 Apr 2014, 3:35 am

b9 wrote:
nothing can be proven.
what is said to be "proof" can really only be "sufficient evidence" in order to convince a mortal intellect. that is why i think "the universe" is BS


It would have to be a very big bull to make a pile the size of the universe. Hmmm, would each pile of droppings correspond to a new universe... hence a multiverse consisting of poop?


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12 Apr 2014, 4:39 am

b9 wrote:
nothing can be proven.
what is said to be "proof" can really only be "sufficient evidence" in order to convince a mortal intellect. that is why i think "the universe" is BS


I think 'sufficient evidence' is fine. If it works, I don't see a problem. All the theories and all the maths could at some point turn out to be completely wrong. But until they stop working for humans, I don't see the problem. My starting point is that the universe (in terms of existence) is under no obligation to make sense to us, be it through common sense or our abstract theorising. That it does to the extent it does is remarkable.

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It would have to be a very big bull to make a pile the size of the universe. Hmmm, would each pile of droppings correspond to a new universe... hence a multiverse consisting of poop?


An expansionist/inflationist theory of universal BS? :D


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12 Apr 2014, 1:26 pm

The basic issue is that if something doesn't have evidence in it's favor, the default position to hold to it's existence is non-existence. So, I have no evidence of a winged unicorn eating pizza somewhere in Chicago, nothing in my inferences even suggests this is likely the case, so therefore I should not think one exists, and instead default to one not existing. If somebody provides evidence of this being the case, then my opinion on this should shift.



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12 Apr 2014, 1:46 pm

Its called "Russell's Teapot".

Betrand Russell said "I could assert that there is a teapot careening through space between Mars and Jupiter, and the fact that noboby can disprove its existence does not prove that the teapot exists!"

But Russell's teapot got knocked over by Shrodinger's Cat one day, and it made such a clatter that it caused Occam to cut himself with his razor!



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12 Apr 2014, 6:46 pm

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Its called "Russell's Teapot".

Betrand Russell said "I could assert that there is a teapot careening through space between Mars and Jupiter, and the fact that noboby can disprove its existence does not prove that the teapot exists!"

But Russell's teapot got knocked over by Shrodinger's Cat one day, and it made such a clatter that it caused Occam to cut himself with his razor!


Aw I was gonna say something similar


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13 Apr 2014, 4:16 am

I believe in the teapot.


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13 Apr 2014, 4:25 am

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I believe in the teapot.


You are all invited to a tea party, but don't be late!

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13 Apr 2014, 4:31 am

Is that a betting slip in his hat?


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13 Apr 2014, 5:13 am

If something cannot be proven or disproved, then is simply have no place in rational inquiry. There is no need to have a 'default' position because such 'thing' never enters the picture to begin with.

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No matter how well they understand the mechanisms of the brain, there will always be that lingering question of why we feel, rather than being mindless zombies that do as we are programmed but feel nothing.


In fact we ARE mindless zombies, per-programmed to have the delusion of 'soul'.

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Brain sections detail things like pain, and chemical responses to emotion like adrenaline or dopamine rushes. They don't account for the emotions themselves.


Define emotion.

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How do you want them accounted for? That they even exist? Our conscious experience of them?

Emotions are physical things, very much part of our physiology. We feel them with our whole bodies - anticipatory butterflies in our stomachs, the wretched sadness that feels like a hollow in our chest, anxiety that twists our intestines - and, as Tallyman said, we can alter them by consuming mind-altering substances.


Of course, the woo-ist simply assert 'emotion' of 'consciousness' or whatever is anything but these - until we run our of anything comprehensible.



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13 Apr 2014, 5:32 am

I dont believe in Skydadies or sky fairies or magicial invisible men called god! I dont belive in devils either or the idea humans were made of mud and ribs!


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13 Apr 2014, 5:34 am

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13 Apr 2014, 8:21 am

01001011 wrote:
UnLoser wrote:
No matter how well they understand the mechanisms of the brain, there will always be that lingering question of why we feel, rather than being mindless zombies that do as we are programmed but feel nothing.


In fact we ARE mindless zombies, per-programmed to have the delusion of 'soul'.


I disagree. Personally, I'm a pretty mindful zombie. There has to be a mind for there to be a delusion. I can't delude a duvet.


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15 Apr 2014, 1:08 pm

TallyMan wrote:
b9 wrote:
nothing can be proven.
what is said to be "proof" can really only be "sufficient evidence" in order to convince a mortal intellect. that is why i think "the universe" is BS


It would have to be a very big bull to make a pile the size of the universe. Hmmm, would each pile of droppings correspond to a new universe... hence a multiverse consisting of poop?

i added the second sentence in partial jest. i guess i could say something about raising the tale (tail) of the constellation taurus in order to truly experience the guts of it, but i do not often joke in that manner.