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17 Apr 2014, 10:18 pm

I'm a mechanic, I fix cars. How can I help.

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17 Apr 2014, 10:25 pm

NT offspring will have to be allowed citizenship.But i like this idea. I propose for government a presidential semi-communism. Anyone can vote for the pres,free healthcare,and equal wealth. Even a congress and supreme court. Maybe a new language,too.

ex:
apple=asuth

moon=moin
name of language:asproogrian

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17 Apr 2014, 10:59 pm

Feralucce wrote:

vickygleitz wrote:

A hell of a lot better environment than experienced here. An environment where they actually CAN thrive. WE NEED TO STOP UNDERESTIMATING OURSELVES AND OUR PEOPLE!

Where have I EVER underestimated myself? or any other Aspie? Hell... the problems I have on this site is because I tend to give everyone way too much credit starting out and I am disappointed because I OVER-estimated them

And our people? you mean humans? Simply put, we don't have a "people" in the traditional sense... that requires a single cultural origin... traditions and history... This sentiment is just another form of racism... Another case of Us vs. Them... and those attitudes have no place in the modern world.

And I agree... we need an environment that we can thrive in... but Aspergia isn't it.

yeah..

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18 Apr 2014, 3:11 am

Magneto wrote:

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Magneto wrote:

A phyle? That's been suggested many times before. The question is, how do we go about starting it? What sort of businesses could it own and run? Anything that could be done online, where Autists have an advantage?

I say we call it Genosha. :wink:

Seriously, though.
I'm a tech & web developer, there are a lot of coders among us, a lot of artists, and a lot of writers & media folks.

We could start our own online entertainment collective, make apps & games to make it interactive, have cinematic and theatrical elements., etc.
Once established as an income base we could start investing in more conventional things like science & engineering 'cause we 've got a lot of those too.
It could expand from there.
It's an idea, a doable one with enough people & backing.

So, how should we start? How do we prevent entryism - mandatory demonstration of diagnosis?

A web of trust?

Before that, perhaps we can create an online hub to serve as a proto-phyle, to have a place to discuss all this? A social network geared towards Autists? A collection of resources for Autists?

I'd imagine that the first step would be to bring together like minded people who can prove their diagnosis & professional ability by providing documentation (or concrete examples of what they can do) ahead of time which we would then have independantly verified. We'd charge each person a small fee to pay for the verification, waived for those who also provide verifiable documentation of being on SS, SSDI, SSI, unemployment, their international equivalents, or proof of extremely low income and/or lack of financial resources.
Basically, set up a website which is mostly just information & registration.
Have open registration for say 6 months or a year, and provided we get a minimum number of verified participants (maybe at least 50 who are willing to work, with at least 5 coders, 5 techs, 5 artists, 5 businesspeople, 5 mediamakers, and 5 writers among them to start), we then move to the next step which would be concurrent planning & fundraising.

What do you think?

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18 Apr 2014, 3:42 am

vickygleitz wrote:

I am SO loving the direction this thread is going! We ARE starting an autistic community within a community. in about a year and a half in Thornton Colorado. one house at a time. Ten year plan involves businesses, single family homes, retiree centers, and a chance for Autistic kids to grow up surrounded by an awareness of their awesomeness,

There will be so much more discussion on this at next years AutHaven,. True long term planning if you want to be part of it. Lots of other cool stuff if you don't.

Neurodivergent Labs is already in the baby steps of putting high tech employment opportunities together for ,"Autistics. Star Ford, the author of "A Fieldguide to Earthlings," and the one building Ocate Cliffs in NM. is also the founder of Neurodivergent Labs. She will be speaking next year at AutHaven, as she did earlier this year.

Guys, we CAN do this!

Interesting.

Since I'm pretty sure there's no precedent for an artificial tribe (phyle) to be recognized as an extraterritorial sovereign entity anywhere, that promises to be the most difficult & problematic aspect as establishing the new legal constructs & precedents won't be easy even it's possible to do so.

I think we'd want to get the phyle initially organized, the core business(es) up & running, and get recognized as a soveriegn, extraterritorial phyle at least in the US, if not internationally, before expanding to include other autistic ventures, and that's even if they'd want to bring their businesses and/or communities under the auspices of the phyle after becoming members.

Still, it'd be great to have those people on board in terms of their commitment to & membership in the phyle ASAP.

yournamehere wrote:

I'm a mechanic, I fix cars. How can I help.

Well, my car needs to be fixed right now... :wink:

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18 Apr 2014, 6:39 am

Could we get an online "incubator" set up soon - say, a Wiki and a Forum - to discuss all these concepts? Perhaps allowing for the different projects (online artist collective, Vicky's community etc) to have their own sites on it? Later, add verification of Autist status. Something more than just a discussion board though.

Hopefully, that will be able to serve as the egg for the fledgling phyle to hatch from.

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18 Apr 2014, 7:02 am

Magneto wrote:

Sure.
We just need someone to spearhead the project.... :chin:

I hereby appoint/designate/elevate you, Magneto, to the position of Chief Organizer in charge of securing hosting, a domain, deciding what format you want, and implementing it. :wtg:

You're now the new proto-phyle's highest ranking member! :king:

Congratulations!

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18 Apr 2014, 8:19 am

Crap.

In that case, then, I hereby appoint you as Webmaster of Autasia. Or whatever its founding members wish for it to be called.

On the practical note, I still haven't started learning how to create and run a website. I don't know how I would start going about it.

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19 Apr 2014, 12:19 am

For starters it has to be somewhere cold so we can wear a lot of clothing(this would be a big plus for me because I live in a desert so I can't wear my jacket year round and it's a very comforting item for me)

I can't imagine it could actually work all sensory violations would have to be punished by a slap on the wrist... and you can't say nts can't join way too many logistical issues with that

I don't know about our military strength either we'd have to have some kind of remote combat that didn't involve people... perhaps a 3 strikes system with a large missile assembly?

self sufficiency would be IMPERATIVE. We can't depend on any counties to help us out that would only bring out conflict

I think we'd need to have our own amendments to say things like "Your right to swing your fist ends at someone elses nose" to mean that any action you preform is legal as long as all parties involved consent and absolute freedom of speech ect just things we can all agree on

I think we don't need changing laws just create basic guidelines which are very clear and cannot be misconstrued by the minds of people

and for a monetary system a sensory safe token of some kind WHICH ISN'T f*****g PAPER Paper is indeed the devil or perhaps a digital currency but it'd be hard to failsafe that...

can't think of much else

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19 Apr 2014, 7:47 am

RobKarmic wrote:

For starters it has to be somewhere cold so we can wear a lot of clothing(this would be a big plus for me because I live in a desert so I can't wear my jacket year round and it's a very comforting item for me)

I can't imagine it could actually work all sensory violations would have to be punished by a slap on the wrist... and you can't say nts can't join way too many logistical issues with that

I don't know about our military strength either we'd have to have some kind of remote combat that didn't involve people... perhaps a 3 strikes system with a large missile assembly?

self sufficiency would be IMPERATIVE. We can't depend on any counties to help us out that would only bring out conflict

I think we'd need to have our own amendments to say things like "Your right to swing your fist ends at someone elses nose" to mean that any action you preform is legal as long as all parties involved consent and absolute freedom of speech ect just things we can all agree on

I think we don't need changing laws just create basic guidelines which are very clear and cannot be misconstrued by the minds of people

and for a monetary system a sensory safe token of some kind WHICH ISN'T f***ing PAPER Paper is indeed the devil or perhaps a digital currency but it'd be hard to failsafe that...

can't think of much else

I am voting you off the island.

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19 Apr 2014, 7:50 am

themanfromuranus wrote:

B19 wrote:

Let's suppose there was a country designated for Aspies - only Aspies could live in it, as citizens, and no-one else. It would be governed by Aspies, for Aspies. The basic services, education, health, trade could only be run by citizens. Like citizens of any country, you would be free to travel overseas, and return. People from other countries could visit on a visa though citizenship would be restricted to Aspies only. Two questions: what would it be like? And would you migrate there? I think the government would take really interesting forms, with ministries set up to enhance and encourage aspie giftedness - eg a ministry for engineering innovation.

an aspergian indepanded state, sound like a pretty amazing goal for our future,you have some pretty interesting ideas and i like to add mine:

1.acces to curebies like autism speaks supporters is restricted

2.there will be a council instead of a "normal" govermant.
which will represant every county and group in the aspergian state

3.the country will be queit and peaceful so people with sensory issues can enjoy it

4. NT spouses will be allowed to live there, citizens or not

5.gay marriages will be legal

6. we will have a large deffensive armed force

does anybody have any idea for a name ?

I am voting you off the island too.

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19 Apr 2014, 7:55 am

B19 wrote:

Leaf blowers would be illegal imports and totally banned. Anyone using them would receive 10 years hard labour.

Your original idea was o.k., but this one will probably vote you off the island.

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19 Apr 2014, 7:57 am

Feralucce wrote:

This is, like, the 10 millionth Aspergia post.

The problem with this concept is that there are a LOT of jobs necessary to run a country that Aspies/Autistic Spectrum individuals are not suited to or often willing to do (anything factory related, wast management, most food service and the like)... Without these jobs, a country will not succeed

Farm it out.

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19 Apr 2014, 7:59 am

HereBeDragons wrote:

People could be given a set of colored badges that would signal wheather they were comfortable talking to strangers, just family, or didn't want to converse at all. Some days I don't want to talk to anybody. The next day I might, so I would switch the badge color.

You might as well tattoo dork on your forehead.

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19 Apr 2014, 8:27 am

vickygleitz wrote:

I think we could and would do so much better. I can not see us receiving our own country, but I am excited about the autistic neighborhood communities in the planning stages right now. [including the one our family is working on] I believe that a community of individuals who do not tend to admire and agree with others based on their predatory behavior a plus. I believe that a community that does not need "omegas" to use as scapegoats a plus. I believe that a community that does not worship facades, pretentiousness and alpha traits a plus. I believe a community that does not base "worthiness" on physical beauty, adherence to the current seasons makeup palette, hair and clothing styles a plus. I believe that a community where the most revered are not the ones who greedily pursue huge material wealth for themselves a plus. I believe that a community that respects and encourages individuality and pursuit of passions, a plus. I believe that a community with less blaring sounds, fewer people feeling entitled to physically touch another without their permission, and eliminates crazy lights a plus. I believe that a community that believes people of all ages should be allowed to be friends with people both younger and older than themselves, a plus. I believe that a community where those in residence DO consider themselves their brothers keeper [or at least part of their support team] and agrees that it does take a village,[ a village where bullying is NEVER considered alright or "not that big of a deal"] to raise a child, a plus.

I could go on and on, but for me the bottom line is ; A community where Autistic people are not treated so badly that their young people have a 28 TIMES higher rate of attempted,planned, and succesful suicides than NT young people raised in an NT culture. Happy and stable people, a HUGE plus.

I'm sorry, but I am going to have to vote you off the island.

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19 Apr 2014, 8:35 am

aghogday wrote:

Well..personally i'm a member of humanity..and no matter who attempts to get me down..it is my choice..my will..to how i respond emotionally...

I used to be weak when i was younger...

But when the mind grows stronger..in balance..particularly emotional balance...

everything in life tends to follow..IS what i most definitely know now at 53 moving into 54...

But here's the thing..restricting one's freedoms or limiting oneself according to expectations derived from
labels..and even derived from observing oneself to date..NOW...

Is a sure path to stagnation...

And any type of Aspie only community..would multiply the issue of human stagnation..by multiple fold...

Diversity..all human diversity is necessary for human beings to survive...

It takes a full human village for FULL POTENTIAL AT survival..

Not a dam exclusive club...

And Autistics.. the higher functioning kind..about 99% of folks from my experience online..are among the worst offenders at excluding folks who communicate or act a little differently than what they PERSONALLY THINK IS their OWN norm....

That ain't how the big picture of life..works...

but of course there are hundreds of pieces of peer reviewed research that backs up that sentiment...

IT WILL NEVER WORK..

CAUSE FOLKS HERE GENERALLY SPEAKING AND AT LEAST EVIDENCED ON THIS SITE...and other online autistic sites..

SIMPLY WILL NOT BEND AND COOPERATE WITH OTHERs WHO THEY VIEW AS A LITTLE TOO FAR OUT OF THEIR

PERSONAL SOCIAL NORM...EVEN WHEN IT comes to a friggin style of writing that is a little different than the norm...

And i have collected reams and reams of evidence for that..in my own research as a social scientist....

that provides enough evidence..i think...to present a compelling case for what i am saying here...

And all that autreat stuff is only for folks who carry the same ideology..been there done that..in scores of discussions...where if ya don't believe the way we do..see ya later..alligator....or WE WILL BAN YA..OR YOU ARE NOT WELCOME BACK or WHATEVER....

SO CALLED NT'S ARE NECESSARY..iF I wanna be sane..in this REAL WORLD...REGARDLESS OF IF I CURE MY AUTISM LIKE I HAVE NOW...or in the day..where i regressed and a light bulb at night was like the sun at midday..

and a cricket sounded like a friggin freight train..and i could NOT talk at all.....at age 47....with severe regression like a 24 month old child....

Everyone here by the time they get my age..if they go into autistic burnout..better hope there's an NT somewhere to lend a hand..as this just ain't something most autistic folks could deal with..on a day to day basis...

http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/20 ... ctrum.html

like my so called NT wife did..when i needed caregiving...24/7.....back in those dead days...in 2008..for me...

And i DO MEAN 24/7 CARE...BEYOND WHAT ANY NURSING HOME SERVICES..COULD EVEN REASONABLY PROVIDE..JUST FOR ME TO MAKE IT TO THE next second....

Most Autistic folks need NT's more than autistic folks..whether they want to face the facts of life or not...

But that's just my opinion..per my personal experience..and technical research in life....

You are too realistic. I think you should stay on the island.

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