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20 Apr 2014, 7:45 pm

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I'm a mechanic, I fix cars. How can I help.


by being a mechanic! You could help out the comunity so much with those skills. PLUS,the first non- craft, non-hi tech business may very well be an auto repair shop. We own an auto repair shop right now and are considering different ways to make that a part of the comunity for Autistics to work in based on their Autistic needs.[ more flexible hours. A travel trailer in the back for when someone needs to "chillax." This would most likely not happen until after Bobby retires [which might be sooner than we had planned because of him being diagnosed with congestive heart failure a month ago]



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20 Apr 2014, 10:43 pm

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yournamehere wrote:
I'm a mechanic, I fix cars. How can I help.


by being a mechanic! You could help out the comunity so much with those skills. PLUS,the first non- craft, non-hi tech business may very well be an auto repair shop. We own an auto repair shop right now and are considering different ways to make that a part of the comunity for Autistics to work in based on their Autistic needs.[ more flexible hours. A travel trailer in the back for when someone needs to "chillax." This would most likely not happen until after Bobby retires [which might be sooner than we had planned because of him being diagnosed with congestive heart failure a month ago]


Non-hi tech??? Umm.... I am a veteran journeyman advanced level auto technician. I have about 60K, just in tools, and diagnostic equipment. Most dealerships prefer to not even hire people like me anymore, and I will not work for them. I fix stuff the dealers cannot, or will not. I can say the same about motorcycles. Harley Davidson dealerships will not even work on a motorcycle that is over 10 years old. Obviously you are not up to speed on such a subject. It is a very demanding, highly technical field. I am no parts hanger. I also have a diploma, and legitimate experience, and training in automotive machining. Master engine machinists are something most college's in most states don't even teach anymore. I have old certificates from ASE that they don't even have anymore. I have worked on things most people have never even seen before. Now days cars are full of alot of wires, computers, and disposible parts. Proper diagnostics, and repair takes alot of skill, and hard work. Something most people in this industry are relitively faking. I'm there, I know.

By being a mechanic, I could help out any community on the face of the planet. Unfortunately, I do it for the money, and if it was such an easy joy, everyone would be doing it. Honestly, it is nothing anyone in my position would let you take for granted, and is another reason why I am voting everyone off the island. This is my island. If you want a piece of it, you are going to have to work hard for it the same way I did.

A good atmosphere for me is a place with a T.V. running in the background, radio as an alternate, and munchies on my toolbox. I also enjoy driving to the parts store to get what I want.



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21 Apr 2014, 1:37 am

I am SO sorry. That came out so wrong.I meant the stereotypical high tech jobs that autistics are known for. I respect noone on earth more than I do my husband and one of the things i respect is his ability to fix an"unfixable" car. I did not mean to offend you.

My point was that there are many ways your skills would be a valuable contribution, and that there is a good chance that an autistic car repair shop could be one of the first comunity businesses.

I do not want to be on an island where it's about voting other off. I want to be somewhere where we help each other through our strengths and weaknesses.



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21 Apr 2014, 7:24 am

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I am SO sorry. That came out so wrong.I meant the stereotypical high tech jobs that autistics are known for. I respect noone on earth more than I do my husband and one of the things i respect is his ability to fix an"unfixable" car. I did not mean to offend you.

My point was that there are many ways your skills would be a valuable contribution, and that there is a good chance that an autistic car repair shop could be one of the first comunity businesses.

I do not want to be on an island where it's about voting other off. I want to be somewhere where we help each other through our strengths and weaknesses.


I was not offended, nor was I trying to offend you. Things just come out that way. I am not a stereotype either.

Given the fact that the people who invented most of the things in the car, and pritty much industrialized the entire world with an idea like the model T. Were people like me, I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not a "first thing". There are many shop owners, and workers in the automotive industry who have Aspergers, or high functioning autism. I taught one of them, and he is now one of the best you can find, just like me.

This idea of automotive repair does not work with just autistic people either. It is full of complex tricks, and ideals that do not entirely jive with an autistic community. If you have ever been trained in service, you would know what I am talking about. I can do it pritty well. It took a very long time. training most autistics to be a "people person", is an almost impossible task. This buisness does not perform without a constant daily battery of multitasking either. Most will break under pressure. I have. It is relentless. The possibility for you to just come up with an idea like this is completely un-doable. Falure is in your future. I'm soo sorry, I should say good luck. You should probably get some NT's to help you with that.



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21 Apr 2014, 8:31 pm

What I meant by "first thing" is one of the first businesses established connected to the intentional Autistic community we are planning. Also, over the years, probably half of the employees have been Autistic because they did not have to deal with the public, make estimates, answer the phone, etc [ they order parts by computer]

People tell me my dream is impossible. That's a good thing because I have always been horrible, no matter how hard I try, at most simple things [tying shoes,printing legibly, remembering faces, etc.] but I deal fairly well with the "impossible."



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22 Apr 2014, 4:05 am

Also, over the years, probably half of the employees have been Autistic because they did not have to deal with the public, make estimates, answer the phone, etc [ they order parts by computer] "[/quote]

This is not a new idea. It is already happening in a healthy community. It is just less than half. We should work on doing all those other things. It's a skill. It can be learned, just like any other skill. I'm telling you, it cannot be done without other people who are not autistic.



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22 Apr 2014, 9:22 am

okay.In this particular case, we were planning on having my husband, who is not autistic [but definitely not NT] assist some in his retirement. Because of his recent health issues,that will most likely not be the case.

I am not sure why we would NEED NTs'to make a business successful. I am one of the 5% or so of Autistics who is not withdrawn and after studying social skills for nearly 60 years, I am a good actor for short spurts of times. I can present well [though still definitely decidedly different] I have no problem "playing the Autistic card." [as in "That old lady...she's weird as hell... but she's refreshing and spunky..the company is good and honest with beyond fair prices...and she says the employees are Autistic, which makes them detail oriented...and gives them jobs...she always has homemade cookies and crazy ass card tricks...why NOT use the best mechanics with the fairest prices, feel like a good guy for helping others, and eat cookies while I wait.]

Now, NT allies are always nice to have. They are good for saying things like "OMG! You have to do something about this waiting room. It's horrible. I'll bet you can tell that, but you're not sure how to fix it. Here, I'll help." {okay, this was my NT daughter after we bought the business] An NT with much to offer would not be excluded. It's just that there are so many Autistics with SO MUCH to offer who are so often excluded over and over again.

Iam not really sure WHY you think we would be incapable of running a succesful business comprised of Autistics. There are many NT businesses that get along fine without Autistics, sowhy would the reverse not be true?



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22 Apr 2014, 10:19 am

I have been working on games for the last 10 years, and I so want to produce the next WOW.


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22 Apr 2014, 11:20 am

The truth of the matter IS..

The diagnosis of Autism is only an abstract concept of social reciprocation disorder as designed
by the APA in the US...

While the Gillberg Criteria in Sweden fashioned after the actual case studies of Hans Asperger's does FULLY
REFLECT HIS case studies..

The DSMIV NEVER DID..

IT WAS MOSTLY A CUT AND PASTE VERSION OF THE PREVIOUS AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER..

with less requirements..for disorder...

THAT IS ALL..

BUT HERE'S THE THING..

A reciprocal social communication disorder as described in both DSMIV and NOW5..can be caused by an almost infinite number of causal factors..MUCH OF IT CULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL..AS STUDIES NOW SHOW...PERHAPS OVER 50 PERCENT IN TOTAL AFFECT AND EFFECT PER WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS AUTISM IN THE US....
as to why one does not make friends..peer appropriately
does not share interests with others..and take interest in the interests of others...

And is a little freaked out by environmental stimuli as it is a well known fact..knowN by science that chronic stress..
will interrupt the stress response..and CAN make sensory stimuli overwhelming to anyone in the general population..ENDURING CHRONIC STRESS...OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME...

AND IT IS ALSO KNOWN..THAT LACK OF LOVE IN CHILDHOOD PER THE REAL PROCESS OF NEUROPLASTICITY...

WILL CAUSE THE LOVE CONNECTIONS NOT TO BE MADE IN THE MINDS AND 'HEARTS' OF CHILDREN..
TO LOVE OTHERS WITH FULL COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY AS SUCH....

AND OF COURSE IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE...

LIVE A LIFE OF NON MOVEMENT..IN COMPUTERS..VIDEO GAMES..AND ANY TYPE OF MECHANICAL OVER SOCIAL COGNITION ACTIVITY...

AND A PERSON WILL LOSE IT INSTEAD OF USING IT AND HAVING OR GAINING IT...

SIMPLE NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION REQUIRES PRACTICE..PRACTICE..PRACTICE...

A HUMAN can become a machine of cognition IF THAT IS ALL THEY FEED THEIR MIND AND BODY IN HEART AND THOUGHT AND MOVEMENT..AS STILL MACHINE..

RATHER THAN FULL MOVING LOVING HUMAN BEING....

AND YES! SCIENCE ALSO SHOWS THIS AS TRUE IN FACT NOW..TOO...

AS RESEARCH shows that when the mechanical cognition pathway in the brain is used..
IT REPRESSES THE PATHWAY OF SOCIAL COGNITION AKA COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY
AKA LOVE....

SO IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT MOST OF WHAT WE SEE AS AUTISM ON THIS SITE..AS DIAGNOSED BY DSMIV AND 5 CRITERIA..IS CULTURALLY PRODUCED BY A MECHANICAL COGNITION EVER GROWING CULTURE IN THE TECHNOLOGICAL SOCIETY THAT IS NOW...

AND OH YES..!folks have been predicting this..INCLUDING EINSTEIN..WHO HIMSELF SAID WORDS TO THE EFFECT THAT WHEN FOLKS LOOSE THEIR ABILITY TO SOCIALLY RECIPROCALLY COMMUNICATE..UNDER THE PRIORITY OF A TECHNOLOGICAL COMMUNICATING WORLD..THIS WILL BE THE DAY THAT IDIOTS RULE THE WORLD..

TRUE STORY..LOOK UP THE QUOTE IF YA LIKE...
AND NAH..HE IS FAR FROM THE FIRST INTELLECTUAL PHILOSOPHER..TO ARRIVE AT THIS
simple human conclusion...

based on COMMON SENSE...

THE POINT IS THIS..

YES I HAVE THE GILLBERG DESCRIBED HANS ASPERGER'S CASE STUDIED ASPERGER'S SYNDROME ..

I CHECK EVERY BOX ..STILL..AS DESCRIBED THERE BY GILLBERG..

INCLUDING A HYPERLEXIC LANGUAGE DELAY UNTIL AFTER AGE 4 WITH SUPER ABILITY IN READING..

BY MY ABILITY FOR SOCIAL COGNITON..IS EXTREME...INCLUDING COGNITIVE AND EMOTIONAL EMPATHY...

WHEN I PRACTICE IT..ALWAYS..WHEN I WORKED WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR ALMOST 2 DECADES...

BUT IN THE PAST..LOCKED BEHIND A COMPUTER AT WORK..
WITHERING AWAY THERE..AS WITH A PAIN DISORDER AND CHRONIC STRESS..
WHERE I COULD NO LONGER CONNECT WITH ANYONE..AND THE CHRONIC STRESS LED TO
A STREET LIGHT LOOKING LIKE THE SUN..AND A CRICKET OR BIRD SOUNDING LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN..
AS MY STRESS RESPONSE WAS KILLED BY CHRONIC NEVER ENDING STRESS...

AND YES! MY BRAIN CHANGED AND THE PATHWAY OF SOCIAL COGNITION WITHERED AWAY..

TO NOTHING
BUT
MECHANICAL
OR MACHINE COGNITION...

LIVING AS WORDS ON A COMPUTER ONLY..THAT EVENTUALLY
TURNED ALIVE!

AS POETRY AGAIN..!
AND ME TOO..!

FULLY ASPERGER'S HUMAN NOW...

BUT HELL NO..

NOT THIS RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION DISORDER 'STUFF' THAT IS ABSTRACTLY DESCRIBED AS AUTISM IN THE US..

I AM A SUPER AFFECTIVE AND EFFECTIVE SOCIAL COGNITION CONNECTER...

NOT A DEAD DAM HUMAN BEING....

AND NAH..IT'S JUST TOUGH TALK..!
NOT HATE...!

MOST..BUT POTENTIALLY NOT ALL..THE FOLKS HERE CAN ADAPT AND ACCOMMODATE JUST LIKE OTHER OLDER FOLKS HAVE HERE..
THAT ESCAPE MECHANICAL COGNITION..

AND FINALLY ENTER INTO REAL HUMAN LIFE...

BUT NAH..WANNA DO IT..
YA GOTTA PRACTICE WITH HUMANS
WHO ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO
THE SOCIAL COGNITION..

WHICH IS WHY IN MY HUMBLE ONLY OPINION...

A WORLD FOR USA DIAGNOSED AUTISM ONLY PEOPLE...

WOULD BE LITERAL HUMAN HELL..

BUT AGAIN..I'VE BEEN TO HELL AND HEAVEN...

I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...

IN A world where life of technology is all served up on ONE PLATE..
CLOSE TO BIRTH..IN FRONT OF A 60INCH HD SCREEN AND ALL OF THAT..

SOME FOLKS MAY SIMPLY HAVE NO REFERENCE POINT
TO TRULY KNOW WHAT FULLY BEING HUMAN

EVEN IS...

So what i'm saying here is THERE IS HOPE FOR ANYONE TO EXPAND THEIR BODY MIND AND HEART...
AS FULLY HUMAN BEING...

NEUROPLASTICITY AND EPIGENETICS IS REAL...

I HAVE MOVED FROM HALF A HUMAN BEING TO FULL HUMAN BEING..TWO TIMES IN MY LIFE...

CHANGE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY...

BUT CAUTION.. THERE IS POSITIVE NEUROPLASTICITY
AND NEGATIVE NEUROPLASTICITY...

AND ALL THAT MEANS..

IS..

A BALANCE OF MECHANICAL AND SOCIAL COGNITION ACTIVITIES ARE REQUIRED
FOR BALANCE

OF TRUE FULL HUMAN BEING...!

PHILOSOPHERS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR EONS..IT'S IN LITERATURE..POETRY..AND ALL WORKS OF ART..TO BALANCE THE YIN AND YANG OF HUMAN BEING...

THE DSM JUST DECIDED TO DIAGNOSIS A BUNCH OF AMERICANS WITH A DISORDER...!

INSTEAD OF USING COMMON SENSE..AND TELLING THEM TO PRACTICE BEING FULLY HUMAN IN BALANCE!

AND FEEDING THEIR MIND AND HEART..A BALANCED DIET OF YIN AND YANG..
SOCIAL AND MECHANICAL COGNITION LEANING EXPERIENCES..!IN REAL LIFE NOW!

IN TANDEM IN LIFE..

NOT ONE OVER THE OTHER..

TO PREVENT AN IMBALANCE
IN LIFE!

OF FULL BEING A SACRED LOVING

HUMAN BEING.....!

(NOTE: CAPS FOR accentuating communication only in our twitter world..that requires a little more adrenaline leaning neurochemicals STIMULUS LEANING COMMUNICATION.. to even get human attention any more..

yes it CAN BE uncomfortable...!

but when it's your 'body'..AND 'HEART' at stake..i'd say it's a worthwhile endeavor...!

for me to attempt to save someone ..any one's..BODY AND HEART...with the cold and warm FACTS OF LIFE
OF FULL HUMAN BODY..MIND..AND BALANCE..)

AND SURE..THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE SOUL..SPIRIT AND BEYOND FORCE OF BEING TOO.. IN COMPLETE HUMAN BLISS OF NOW...!

BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST...!

TO GET TO THOSE THREE..
A BODY AND HEART BALANCE IN MOVEMENT AND EMOTION ..ALONG WITH REASON BASED MIND

MUST BE ESTABLISHED
IN PRACTICE..

IN REAL LIFE

NOW...!

AND NAH..
AUTISTIC ONLY SOCIETY..THE WORST POSSIBLE IDEA EVER...FOR ANYONE...

IN MY OPINION...

ADAPT AND CHANGE MEANS SURVIVE...

IN THE WORDS OF EINSTEIN..PARAPHRASED..

DO THE SAME..DAM THING..OVER AND OVER..

IS JUST

INSANITY

THAT IS ALL...!

i ain't the crazy one here....!

BY FAR.....!

BUT I TRY TO HELP BREAK THROUGH WITH A SPARK OF LIFE..
TO SOMEONE.. ANY ONE...

i try my best..!

for that!

@least..!

with passion of empathy and LOVE FOR OTHERS...!

AKA

UNCONDITIONAL SACRED LOVE...

AKA

ALTRUISM...
THE HUMAN AND BONOBO
TYPE

OF
SACRED LOVE....!

AND YUP..
SOME BONOBOS..
MEET THE USA DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR AUTISM TOO..FOR ALL PRACTICAL INTENTS AND PURPOSES..
IN SCIENCE 2...

PUT 'EM IN A MECHANICAL COGNITION RICH ENVIRONMENT..WITHOUT THE SOCIAL COGNITION ENVIRONMENT OF A FAMILY OF ALL LOVING APES..

AND YUP..!

DSMIV AND 5 DESCRIBED AUTISM..SYMPTOMS..PER RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION DIFFICULTIES BECOME THEIR LIFE..!

FOLKS.. THIS AINT' ROCKET SCIENCE..!AND AIN'T NEVER BEEN.. IT...!

it's just common sense..!

a human quality that is even failing...!

at the top of intellectual circles in so called psychology sciences...!

BUT HELL NO..!NEVER !IN THE TRUE SCIENCE OF MIND...
PROVEN THROUGH THE AGES...

PHILOSOPHY OF HUMAN BEING....

TRUE RESULTS IN AFFECT AND EFFECT IN REAL LIFE..!
IS ALL
THAT
COUNTS!
NOW
OR THEN....

SACREDLOVEISALLITIS..!

WHEN ALL
IS SAID
AND
DONE...!

but yah..that's part of part 2..
the deeper part of
life2..:)

HAVE A BETTER DAY NOW!
THAT IS MY HOPE!
FOR
YA!
ALWAYS!
WHO EVER
YA
ARE!
LOVER OR FOE!EVER
NOW!


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22 Apr 2014, 1:29 pm

vickygleitz wrote:
okay.In this particular case, we were planning on having my husband, who is not autistic [but definitely not NT] assist some in his retirement. Because of his recent health issues,that will most likely not be the case.

I am not sure why we would NEED NTs'to make a business successful. I am one of the 5% or so of Autistics who is not withdrawn and after studying social skills for nearly 60 years, I am a good actor for short spurts of times. I can present well [though still definitely decidedly different] I have no problem "playing the Autistic card." [as in "That old lady...she's weird as hell... but she's refreshing and spunky..the company is good and honest with beyond fair prices...and she says the employees are Autistic, which makes them detail oriented...and gives them jobs...she always has homemade cookies and crazy ass card tricks...why NOT use the best mechanics with the fairest prices, feel like a good guy for helping others, and eat cookies while I wait.]

Now, NT allies are always nice to have. They are good for saying things like "OMG! You have to do something about this waiting room. It's horrible. I'll bet you can tell that, but you're not sure how to fix it. Here, I'll help." {okay, this was my NT daughter after we bought the business] An NT with much to offer would not be excluded. It's just that there are so many Autistics with SO MUCH to offer who are so often excluded over and over again.

Iam not really sure WHY you think we would be incapable of running a succesful business comprised of Autistics. There are many NT businesses that get along fine without Autistics, sowhy would the reverse not be true?


Things would have to be laid out differently. The standard practice will not work, and is mostly failing right now. I have been doing my own thing since october. Cannot tell if it is going to be a success yet, but I'm working on it.



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22 Apr 2014, 1:49 pm

aghogday wrote:
The truth of the matter IS..

The diagnosis of Autism is only an abstract concept of social reciprocation disorder as designed
by the APA in the US...

While the Gillberg Criteria in Sweden fashioned after the actual case studies of Hans Asperger's does FULLY
REFLECT HIS case studies..

The DSMIV NEVER DID..

IT WAS MOSTLY A CUT AND PASTE VERSION OF THE PREVIOUS AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER..

with less requirements..for disorder...

THAT IS ALL..

BUT HERE'S THE THING..

A reciprocal social communication disorder as described in both DSMIV and NOW5..can be caused by an almost infinite number of causal factors..MUCH OF IT CULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL..AS STUDIES NOW SHOW...PERHAPS OVER 50 PERCENT IN TOTAL AFFECT AND EFFECT PER WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS AUTISM IN THE US....
as to why one does not make friends..peer appropriately
does not share interests with others..and take interest in the interests of others...

And is a little freaked out by environmental stimuli as it is a well known fact..knowN by science that chronic stress..
will interrupt the stress response..and CAN make sensory stimuli overwhelming to anyone in the general population..ENDURING CHRONIC STRESS...OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME...

AND IT IS ALSO KNOWN..THAT LACK OF LOVE IN CHILDHOOD PER THE REAL PROCESS OF NEUROPLASTICITY...

WILL CAUSE THE LOVE CONNECTIONS NOT TO BE MADE IN THE MINDS AND 'HEARTS' OF CHILDREN..
TO LOVE OTHERS WITH FULL COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY AS SUCH....

AND OF COURSE IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE...

LIVE A LIFE OF NON MOVEMENT..IN COMPUTERS..VIDEO GAMES..AND ANY TYPE OF MECHANICAL OVER SOCIAL COGNITION ACTIVITY...

AND A PERSON WILL LOSE IT INSTEAD OF USING IT AND HAVING OR GAINING IT...

SIMPLE NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION REQUIRES PRACTICE..PRACTICE..PRACTICE...

A HUMAN can become a machine of cognition IF THAT IS ALL THEY FEED THEIR MIND AND BODY IN HEART AND THOUGHT AND MOVEMENT..AS STILL MACHINE..

RATHER THAN FULL MOVING LOVING HUMAN BEING....

AND YES! SCIENCE ALSO SHOWS THIS AS TRUE IN FACT NOW..TOO...

AS RESEARCH shows that when the mechanical cognition pathway in the brain is used..
IT REPRESSES THE PATHWAY OF SOCIAL COGNITION AKA COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY
AKA LOVE....

SO IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT MOST OF WHAT WE SEE AS AUTISM ON THIS SITE..AS DIAGNOSED BY DSMIV AND 5 CRITERIA..IS CULTURALLY PRODUCED BY A MECHANICAL COGNITION EVER GROWING CULTURE IN THE TECHNOLOGICAL SOCIETY THAT IS NOW...

AND OH YES..!folks have been predicting this..INCLUDING EINSTEIN..WHO HIMSELF SAID WORDS TO THE EFFECT THAT WHEN FOLKS LOOSE THEIR ABILITY TO SOCIALLY RECIPROCALLY COMMUNICATE..UNDER THE PRIORITY OF A TECHNOLOGICAL COMMUNICATING WORLD..THIS WILL BE THE DAY THAT IDIOTS RULE THE WORLD..

TRUE STORY..LOOK UP THE QUOTE IF YA LIKE...
AND NAH..HE IS FAR FROM THE FIRST INTELLECTUAL PHILOSOPHER..TO ARRIVE AT THIS
simple human conclusion...

based on COMMON SENSE...

THE POINT IS THIS..

YES I HAVE THE GILLBERG DESCRIBED HANS ASPERGER'S CASE STUDIED ASPERGER'S SYNDROME ..

I CHECK EVERY BOX ..STILL..AS DESCRIBED THERE BY GILLBERG..

INCLUDING A HYPERLEXIC LANGUAGE DELAY UNTIL AFTER AGE 4 WITH SUPER ABILITY IN READING..

BY MY ABILITY FOR SOCIAL COGNITON..IS EXTREME...INCLUDING COGNITIVE AND EMOTIONAL EMPATHY...

WHEN I PRACTICE IT..ALWAYS..WHEN I WORKED WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR ALMOST 2 DECADES...

BUT IN THE PAST..LOCKED BEHIND A COMPUTER AT WORK..
WITHERING AWAY THERE..AS WITH A PAIN DISORDER AND CHRONIC STRESS..
WHERE I COULD NO LONGER CONNECT WITH ANYONE..AND THE CHRONIC STRESS LED TO
A STREET LIGHT LOOKING LIKE THE SUN..AND A CRICKET OR BIRD SOUNDING LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN..
AS MY STRESS RESPONSE WAS KILLED BY CHRONIC NEVER ENDING STRESS...

AND YES! MY BRAIN CHANGED AND THE PATHWAY OF SOCIAL COGNITION WITHERED AWAY..

TO NOTHING
BUT
MECHANICAL
OR MACHINE COGNITION...

LIVING AS WORDS ON A COMPUTER ONLY..THAT EVENTUALLY
TURNED ALIVE!

AS POETRY AGAIN..!
AND ME TOO..!

FULLY ASPERGER'S HUMAN NOW...

BUT HELL NO..

NOT THIS RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION DISORDER 'STUFF' THAT IS ABSTRACTLY DESCRIBED AS AUTISM IN THE US..

I AM A SUPER AFFECTIVE AND EFFECTIVE SOCIAL COGNITION CONNECTER...

NOT A DEAD DAM HUMAN BEING....

AND NAH..IT'S JUST TOUGH TALK..!
NOT HATE...!

MOST..BUT POTENTIALLY NOT ALL..THE FOLKS HERE CAN ADAPT AND ACCOMMODATE JUST LIKE OTHER OLDER FOLKS HAVE HERE..
THAT ESCAPE MECHANICAL COGNITION..

AND FINALLY ENTER INTO REAL HUMAN LIFE...

BUT NAH..WANNA DO IT..
YA GOTTA PRACTICE WITH HUMANS
WHO ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO
THE SOCIAL COGNITION..

WHICH IS WHY IN MY HUMBLE ONLY OPINION...

A WORLD FOR USA DIAGNOSED AUTISM ONLY PEOPLE...

WOULD BE LITERAL HUMAN HELL..

BUT AGAIN..I'VE BEEN TO HELL AND HEAVEN...

I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...

IN A world where life of technology is all served up on ONE PLATE..
CLOSE TO BIRTH..IN FRONT OF A 60INCH HD SCREEN AND ALL OF THAT..

SOME FOLKS MAY SIMPLY HAVE NO REFERENCE POINT
TO TRULY KNOW WHAT FULLY BEING HUMAN

EVEN IS...

So what i'm saying here is THERE IS HOPE FOR ANYONE TO EXPAND THEIR BODY MIND AND HEART...
AS FULLY HUMAN BEING...

NEUROPLASTICITY AND EPIGENETICS IS REAL...

I HAVE MOVED FROM HALF A HUMAN BEING TO FULL HUMAN BEING..TWO TIMES IN MY LIFE...

CHANGE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY...

BUT CAUTION.. THERE IS POSITIVE NEUROPLASTICITY
AND NEGATIVE NEUROPLASTICITY...

AND ALL THAT MEANS..

IS..

A BALANCE OF MECHANICAL AND SOCIAL COGNITION ACTIVITIES ARE REQUIRED
FOR BALANCE

OF TRUE FULL HUMAN BEING...!

PHILOSOPHERS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR EONS..IT'S IN LITERATURE..POETRY..AND ALL WORKS OF ART..TO BALANCE THE YIN AND YANG OF HUMAN BEING...

THE DSM JUST DECIDED TO DIAGNOSIS A BUNCH OF AMERICANS WITH A DISORDER...!

INSTEAD OF USING COMMON SENSE..AND TELLING THEM TO PRACTICE BEING FULLY HUMAN IN BALANCE!

AND FEEDING THEIR MIND AND HEART..A BALANCED DIET OF YIN AND YANG..
SOCIAL AND MECHANICAL COGNITION LEANING EXPERIENCES..!IN REAL LIFE NOW!

IN TANDEM IN LIFE..

NOT ONE OVER THE OTHER..

TO PREVENT AN IMBALANCE
IN LIFE!

OF FULL BEING A SACRED LOVING

HUMAN BEING.....!

(NOTE: CAPS FOR accentuating communication only in our twitter world..that requires a little more adrenaline leaning neurochemicals STIMULUS LEANING COMMUNICATION.. to even get human attention any more..

yes it CAN BE uncomfortable...!

but when it's your 'body'..AND 'HEART' at stake..i'd say it's a worthwhile endeavor...!

for me to attempt to save someone ..any one's..BODY AND HEART...with the cold and warm FACTS OF LIFE
OF FULL HUMAN BODY..MIND..AND BALANCE..)

AND SURE..THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE SOUL..SPIRIT AND BEYOND FORCE OF BEING TOO.. IN COMPLETE HUMAN BLISS OF NOW...!

BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST...!

TO GET TO THOSE THREE..
A BODY AND HEART BALANCE IN MOVEMENT AND EMOTION ..ALONG WITH REASON BASED MIND

MUST BE ESTABLISHED
IN PRACTICE..

IN REAL LIFE

NOW...!

AND NAH..
AUTISTIC ONLY SOCIETY..THE WORST POSSIBLE IDEA EVER...FOR ANYONE...

IN MY OPINION...

ADAPT AND CHANGE MEANS SURVIVE...

IN THE WORDS OF EINSTEIN..PARAPHRASED..

DO THE SAME..DAM THING..OVER AND OVER..

IS JUST

INSANITY

THAT IS ALL...!

i ain't the crazy one here....!

BY FAR.....!

BUT I TRY TO HELP BREAK THROUGH WITH A SPARK OF LIFE..
TO SOMEONE.. ANY ONE...

i try my best..!

for that!

@least..!

with passion of empathy and LOVE FOR OTHERS...!

AKA

UNCONDITIONAL SACRED LOVE...

AKA

ALTRUISM...
THE HUMAN AND BONOBO
TYPE

OF
SACRED LOVE....!

AND YUP..
SOME BONOBOS..
MEET THE USA DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR AUTISM TOO..FOR ALL PRACTICAL INTENTS AND PURPOSES..
IN SCIENCE 2...

PUT 'EM IN A MECHANICAL COGNITION RICH ENVIRONMENT..WITHOUT THE SOCIAL COGNITION ENVIRONMENT OF A FAMILY OF ALL LOVING APES..

AND YUP..!

DSMIV AND 5 DESCRIBED AUTISM..SYMPTOMS..PER RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION DIFFICULTIES BECOME THEIR LIFE..!

FOLKS.. THIS AINT' ROCKET SCIENCE..!AND AIN'T NEVER BEEN.. IT...!

it's just common sense..!

a human quality that is even failing...!

at the top of intellectual circles in so called psychology sciences...!

BUT HELL NO..!NEVER !IN THE TRUE SCIENCE OF MIND...
PROVEN THROUGH THE AGES...

PHILOSOPHY OF HUMAN BEING....

TRUE RESULTS IN AFFECT AND EFFECT IN REAL LIFE..!
IS ALL
THAT
COUNTS!
NOW
OR THEN....

SACREDLOVEISALLITIS..!

WHEN ALL
IS SAID
AND
DONE...!

but yah..that's part of part 2..
the deeper part of
life2..:)

HAVE A BETTER DAY NOW!
THAT IS MY HOPE!
FOR
YA!
ALWAYS!
WHO EVER
YA
ARE!
LOVER OR FOE!EVER
NOW!


Alot of what you said is why I'm stubborn. I refuse to get an evaluation. I don't want to get to the point where I need help. I have been there. It just makes me think that society, and people are failing me. No matter how hard I try.

We love you man! :)



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22 Apr 2014, 4:00 pm

[It just makes me think that society, and people are failing me. No matter how hard I try.

and that is why I am planning an Autistic intentional community. It won't be what every Autistic person wants, but it will be for many. Some of us are just so tired of trying and trying and still feeling so alone. Some of us FANTASIZE about being part of a tribe. Really. Some of us care so deeply for others but only get used. Some of us are afraid to dream big dreams anymore, but with support, we can not only dream but achieve great things.

I know quite a few "vampire" Autistics who sleep during the day and are alert at night. With that in mind,we were thinking about being open at nights..people dropping their cars off at night and picking them up in the morning. If i'm there, I'll be greeting them with scrambled eggs, sweet rolls and coffee. [ I just thought of the breakfast part...had to add it to my notes.] We've had wi-fi for years, which,not that long ago was a draw. [now everyone has it] We are also trying to think of finding a way to bring in the light rail customers who use the parking area [ it just opened up]



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Okay Hogaday. I have late stage breast cancer. I am dying. Bobby has stage 3 heart failure. He's dying too. I have so many kids and grand kids that I love. Youngest son has neurological pain [ it had slowed down but is back real bad again] that the docs say is the 'most excruciating pain humanly possible" People I thought were friends were not. I have no money and am too sick to work. I am not trying the same thing over and over again and expecting it to be different. I am trying to set things up so that my son [ and others] can have a hope of an okay life. That's all.

It WAS insane for me to just try to be good enough, sweet enough, smart enough, responsible enough, everything enough for nearly 60 years and expect a positive outcome from NTs'. That WAS insane. Now, I'm trying something different. If you don't like the idea of what I am racing against time to do,fine. What possible purpose though for you to rip apart my last hope! That is so mean!

And it's not just me! And if peoples ideas are not ripped apart, they are ignored. Look at Ken G. He posts about so many things that are to benefit other Autistics. Some of them cost money. some of them are far away. Some of them are FREE and anyone can access them. but they are ignored. I guess playing the autism card, hate-wars,and expressing the depth of a persons intellect is so much more important.

So many people have quit WP because of the meanness, and because of the seeming lack of concern as far as supporting and building each other up as autistics. about a month ago, there was a thread pretty much devoted to what a b###h I am, and i stilldo not have a clue what I did wrong.

I am having such a hard time, the hardest time of my life. And I feel so alone. And someone shouts at me that trying to find somewhere my kid might fit in is the worst idea EVER.r

I don't know what else I can say.



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22 Apr 2014, 6:51 pm

I'm sorry, and good luck. Of course you are referring to me. I am not trying to be mean, it just comes out that way. I didn't try to rip anything away from you either. It's mine. Life is a fightful dream.



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22 Apr 2014, 9:37 pm

aghogday wrote:
The truth of the matter IS..

The diagnosis of Autism is only an abstract concept of social reciprocation disorder as designed
by the APA in the US...

While the Gillberg Criteria in Sweden fashioned after the actual case studies of Hans Asperger's does FULLY
REFLECT HIS case studies..

The DSMIV NEVER DID..

IT WAS MOSTLY A CUT AND PASTE VERSION OF THE PREVIOUS AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER..

with less requirements..for disorder...

THAT IS ALL..

BUT HERE'S THE THING..

A reciprocal social communication disorder as described in both DSMIV and NOW5..can be caused by an almost infinite number of causal factors..MUCH OF IT CULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL..AS STUDIES NOW SHOW...PERHAPS OVER 50 PERCENT IN TOTAL AFFECT AND EFFECT PER WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS AUTISM IN THE US....
as to why one does not make friends..peer appropriately
does not share interests with others..and take interest in the interests of others...

And is a little freaked out by environmental stimuli as it is a well known fact..knowN by science that chronic stress..
will interrupt the stress response..and CAN make sensory stimuli overwhelming to anyone in the general population..ENDURING CHRONIC STRESS...OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME...

AND IT IS ALSO KNOWN..THAT LACK OF LOVE IN CHILDHOOD PER THE REAL PROCESS OF NEUROPLASTICITY...

WILL CAUSE THE LOVE CONNECTIONS NOT TO BE MADE IN THE MINDS AND 'HEARTS' OF CHILDREN..
TO LOVE OTHERS WITH FULL COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY AS SUCH....

AND OF COURSE IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE...

LIVE A LIFE OF NON MOVEMENT..IN COMPUTERS..VIDEO GAMES..AND ANY TYPE OF MECHANICAL OVER SOCIAL COGNITION ACTIVITY...

AND A PERSON WILL LOSE IT INSTEAD OF USING IT AND HAVING OR GAINING IT...

SIMPLE NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION REQUIRES PRACTICE..PRACTICE..PRACTICE...

A HUMAN can become a machine of cognition IF THAT IS ALL THEY FEED THEIR MIND AND BODY IN HEART AND THOUGHT AND MOVEMENT..AS STILL MACHINE..

RATHER THAN FULL MOVING LOVING HUMAN BEING....

AND YES! SCIENCE ALSO SHOWS THIS AS TRUE IN FACT NOW..TOO...

AS RESEARCH shows that when the mechanical cognition pathway in the brain is used..
IT REPRESSES THE PATHWAY OF SOCIAL COGNITION AKA COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY
AKA LOVE....

SO IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT MOST OF WHAT WE SEE AS AUTISM ON THIS SITE..AS DIAGNOSED BY DSMIV AND 5 CRITERIA..IS CULTURALLY PRODUCED BY A MECHANICAL COGNITION EVER GROWING CULTURE IN THE TECHNOLOGICAL SOCIETY THAT IS NOW...

AND OH YES..!folks have been predicting this..INCLUDING EINSTEIN..WHO HIMSELF SAID WORDS TO THE EFFECT THAT WHEN FOLKS LOOSE THEIR ABILITY TO SOCIALLY RECIPROCALLY COMMUNICATE..UNDER THE PRIORITY OF A TECHNOLOGICAL COMMUNICATING WORLD..THIS WILL BE THE DAY THAT IDIOTS RULE THE WORLD..


This is the guy who called me a liar for saying that he was dismissing other people's diagnoses and saying that many autistic people on this forum aren't even autistic.

And there he goes again, saying that autistic people on this forum aren't autistic.

He's saying that people who have met the criteria for autism their entire lives are probably not really autistic because they were diagnosed with the DSM-IV and now 5 criteria. At the same time he is claiming to not be remotely autistic now and his history indicates that he has not met the criteria for any form of autism for much of his life, yet he is truly autistic. When I last pointed this out he tried to argue that his speech delay proves beyond a doubt that he is autistic (speech delays do not prove this), but his attempts to discredit others' diagnoses requires such convoluted reasoning and multiple assumptions to be true.

I am not saying aghogday's not autistic, because honestly I can't say that. What I am saying is that an affluent middle-class dude with a career that spanned decades is trying to argue that he has it worse than people on this forum who have been homeless, who have spent long periods of time unemployed, who live in poverty, and so on. Such people, he has opined in the past, are "mild" and have barely experienced any difficulties in their lives.

I don't know why he's doing this, or why he's done a complete 180 from acting in good faith to acting like he's the victim and everyone else here is better off in some way, but I hate to see people get sucked into whatever it is that he is doing.



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22 Apr 2014, 10:57 pm

I know one thing is for sure. There are things that trigger my behavior, and most of it comes from reacting from other people. Like bullying, abuse, and condescending attitudes. Sarcasm is not funny at all when it is condescending. A daily battery of that stuff really screws my head up. He has a point about the antisocial behavior too. It is clearly obvious in pet dogs. Most of the time I have gotten by with being o.k., and people believe I am generally normal. However, I have had some bad meltdowns, and that whole sensory issue thing is very prevalent. I hide it very well. The meltdowns I cannot. With a tweak here, and a tweak there, alot of us may get by o.k. we all need to figure out how to do that. I had a meltdown a year ago. It was very bad. Probably the worst I have had. I lost my job. Most of it was the people. Sadly enough, it makes me afraid of doing it again, and it is pushing me away. That is the opposite of what should be done if the world, and my head was right. I believe I understand him. Not all, but for some of us, if you loose the triggers, everything seems o.k.. I grew up around a heck of alot of people, and all of that has really helped with social issues. The automotive industry has a heck of alot of social structure too. Any autistic who belongs to a service type industry is alot better off socially. I see his point. The little brain scans, quizzes, manuals, and pie charts, paint a different picture