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21 Apr 2014, 2:41 pm

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Maybe not every case is the same. But where there is a concern for the well being of the handicapped, and restroom facilities are closed to them, a red light goes off in my head.

And this gets back for about the third time in this thread to the fact that some (not all) of those buildings were rented and are not public buildings and have no obligation to be handicap friendly.
What makes you think most handicapped people are democrats, anyway?

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And disability Nazis?

Also covered a few pages back. Find it.

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Why not just call MLK a civil rights Nazi?!?!

Martin Luther King was a civil rights leader but not what I'd call a blind fanatic.
I honestly do not believe that MLK would be screeching about "voter suppression" in Miami at this point after it has, for all practical purposes, been disproven.


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21 Apr 2014, 3:09 pm

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21 Apr 2014, 3:40 pm

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Maybe not every case is the same. But where there is a concern for the well being of the handicapped, and restroom facilities are closed to them, a red light goes off in my head.

And this gets back for about the third time in this thread to the fact that some (not all) of those buildings were rented and are not public buildings and have no obligation to be handicap friendly.
What makes you think most handicapped people are democrats, anyway?

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And disability Nazis?

Also covered a few pages back. Find it.

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Why not just call MLK a civil rights Nazi?!?!

Martin Luther King was a civil rights leader but not what I'd call a blind fanatic.
I honestly do not believe that MLK would be screeching about "voter suppression" in Miami at this point after it has, for all practical purposes, been disproven.


Yes, I know "disability Nazis" have been covered earlier in the thread. Funny how people one side doesn't approve of get labeled as Nazis. Somehow, I don't think people who are zealously looking out for the rights of a certain group qualify as genocidal maniacs.
And not only would Dr. King have rejected the notion that voter suppression has been disproven, he'd be on the front lines today fighting against it, and being called a communist and race baiter by the likes of Fox Noise and Fatty Limbaugh.
Ans as far as political affiliation of the handicapped goes - I've personally met only one conservative, libertarian handicapped person - he was a wheelchair bound counselor at Spokane Community College my wife had to deal with when registering there a couple of quarters back. Most handicapped people, I would think, would have enough sense to know which party is looking out for their best interests.


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21 Apr 2014, 5:14 pm

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Yes, I know "disability Nazis" have been covered earlier in the thread. Funny how people one side doesn't approve of get labeled as Nazis. Somehow, I don't think people who are zealously looking out for the rights of a certain group qualify as genocidal maniacs.
I take it as a compliment only for the outrage it causes the ultra-sensitive to see someone vainly taking that label as a badge of honor. :P

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And not only would Dr. King have rejected the notion that voter suppression has been disproven, he'd be on the front lines today fighting against it, and being called a communist and race baiter by the likes of Fox Noise and Fatty Limbaugh.
In THIS case (Miami) I think Dr. King would agree that you have a very weak case for voter suppression. We're not talking about Birmingham in 1964 or Johannesburg in 1984, we're talking about Miami in 2014. Notice that your allies have lost interest in this case or we'd have several more pages by now. What should that tell you?

Apparently you're still laboring under the illusion that I'm a Limbaugh devotee since you keep tossing that name in there in hopes of causing me butthurt.

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Ans as far as political affiliation of the handicapped goes - I've personally met only one conservative, libertarian handicapped person - he was a wheelchair bound counselor at Spokane Community College my wife had to deal with when registering there a couple of quarters back. Most handicapped people, I would think, would have enough sense to know which party is looking out for their best interests.
Most of the ones I've ever known seemed to be conservative. The exceptions being the mentally ret*d and those inflicted with Downs Syndrome who are mentally in a pliable state and only repeat what they are told. Aside from that, it all depends on an individual's interpretation of best interest is. Not everyone thinks that getting free stuff (at the expense of others) and false empathy (for the sole purpose of gaining or retaining votes) is in their best interest.


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21 Apr 2014, 6:49 pm

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Yes, I know "disability Nazis" have been covered earlier in the thread. Funny how people one side doesn't approve of get labeled as Nazis. Somehow, I don't think people who are zealously looking out for the rights of a certain group qualify as genocidal maniacs.
I take it as a compliment only for the outrage it causes the ultra-sensitive to see someone vainly taking that label as a badge of honor. :P

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And not only would Dr. King have rejected the notion that voter suppression has been disproven, he'd be on the front lines today fighting against it, and being called a communist and race baiter by the likes of Fox Noise and Fatty Limbaugh.
In THIS case (Miami) I think Dr. King would agree that you have a very weak case for voter suppression. We're not talking about Birmingham in 1964 or Johannesburg in 1984, we're talking about Miami in 2014. Notice that your allies have lost interest in this case or we'd have several more pages by now. What should that tell you?

Apparently you're still laboring under the illusion that I'm a Limbaugh devotee since you keep tossing that name in there in hopes of causing me butthurt.

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Ans as far as political affiliation of the handicapped goes - I've personally met only one conservative, libertarian handicapped person - he was a wheelchair bound counselor at Spokane Community College my wife had to deal with when registering there a couple of quarters back. Most handicapped people, I would think, would have enough sense to know which party is looking out for their best interests.
Most of the ones I've ever known seemed to be conservative. The exceptions being the mentally ret*d and those inflicted with Downs Syndrome who are mentally in a pliable state and only repeat what they are told. Aside from that, it all depends on an individual's interpretation of best interest is. Not everyone thinks that getting free stuff (at the expense of others) and false empathy (for the sole purpose of gaining or retaining votes) is in their best interest.


I never said you were a Limbaugh fan. I'm just providing an example.
As far as getting free stuff - that's been the Republican battle cry of condemnation since the Romney campaign. But that's an unfair charge when talking about care and services to the disadvantaged, implying that it's done as a bribe, or that it's undeserved.


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21 Apr 2014, 8:13 pm

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I never said you were a Limbaugh fan. I'm just providing an example.
Uh huh...

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As far as getting free stuff - that's been the Republican battle cry of condemnation since the Romney campaign.

I came to the conclusion about the "free stuff" or whatever before Romney's campaign. I never watch, read, or listen to campaign speeches from anyone since they are nothing but BS.
Only a simpleminded fool takes campaign promises and posturing to heart.

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But that's an unfair charge when talking about care and services to the disadvantaged, implying that it's done as a bribe, or that it's undeserved.

This isn't about services for the disadvantaged. If any political entity (e.g. Republican or Democrat) does anything for anyone it's for the purpose of gaining or retaining their votes, not because it's the right thing to do.


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21 Apr 2014, 10:25 pm

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I never said you were a Limbaugh fan. I'm just providing an example.
Uh huh...

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As far as getting free stuff - that's been the Republican battle cry of condemnation since the Romney campaign.

I came to the conclusion about the "free stuff" or whatever before Romney's campaign. I never watch, read, or listen to campaign speeches from anyone since they are nothing but BS.
Only a simpleminded fool takes campaign promises and posturing to heart.

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But that's an unfair charge when talking about care and services to the disadvantaged, implying that it's done as a bribe, or that it's undeserved.

This isn't about services for the disadvantaged. If any political entity (e.g. Republican or Democrat) does anything for anyone it's for the purpose of gaining or retaining their votes, not because it's the right thing to do.


Then we're not supposed to provide services for those in need, because it's just a bribe to get people's votes?


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21 Apr 2014, 10:36 pm

/\ uh, wut? :shrug:


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21 Apr 2014, 10:41 pm

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/\ uh, wut? :shrug:


What is there not to understand?


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21 Apr 2014, 11:02 pm

I could ask you the same thing since we've been completely all the way around about twice on this non-existent Miami voter suppression debate.
Nobody but you said anything about denying services to the handicapped. Making a straw man doesn't do diddly to help your case.


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21 Apr 2014, 11:10 pm

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I could ask you the same thing since we've been completely all the way around about twice on this non-existent Miami voter suppression debate.
Nobody but you said anything about denying services to the handicapped. Making a straw man doesn't do diddly to help your case.


You stated services to handicapped Americans were only bribes to get votes.


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21 Apr 2014, 11:35 pm

:roll: :roll:
You know, I should have just written your comeback for you since I knew what it would be. Not that it makes any sense, but knowing you I knew what you'd say.
So I'll post it again and this time put what I said in bold, not that it should be necessary.

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But that's an unfair charge when talking about care and services to the disadvantaged, implying that it's done as a bribe, or that it's undeserved.
This isn't about services for the disadvantaged. If any political entity (e.g. Republican or Democrat) does anything for anyone it's for the purpose of gaining or retaining their votes, not because it's the right thing to do.


Read into that whatever you want and add whatever straw men or red herrings you want.
I'm done with it and I need my beauty rest.


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21 Apr 2014, 11:40 pm

Then off for your nightly preening.
You'll look like this in the morning,after you oil up good.
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21 Apr 2014, 11:45 pm

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:roll: :roll:
You know, I should have just written your comeback for you since I knew what it would be. Not that it makes any sense, but knowing you I knew what you'd say.
So I'll post it again and this time put what I said in bold, not that it should be necessary.
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But that's an unfair charge when talking about care and services to the disadvantaged, implying that it's done as a bribe, or that it's undeserved.
This isn't about services for the disadvantaged. If any political entity (e.g. Republican or Democrat) does anything for anyone it's for the purpose of gaining or retaining their votes, not because it's the right thing to do.


Read into that whatever you want and add whatever straw men or red herrings you want.
I'm done with it and I need my beauty rest.


Then sleep well in your nest. Perhaps you will be able to sweep down and get that rabbit, tomorrow. :lol:


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