Does this story display my Aspie tendencies?

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Does this story reflect female aspies?
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28 May 2014, 7:44 pm

Hello all my fellow Autism-Spectrum people!

I actually have a question for you all. I am a writer (my interests are people and stories) and I have only recently played with the idea that I may be Aspie. I show all of the symptoms typical to female Aspies and even have some of the developmental delays common to Autism Spectrum Disorders.

Before reaching this revelation, I wrote a particular story that I felt reflected my experience (writing is often a way for me to figure stuff out), but also found very sad and strange. Now that I have discovered that I may be an Aspie (in fact, I'm sure of it), I have revisited this story in a new light.

I was wondering if any of you can take look at it (especially girl Aspies) and see if this story speaks to you? I'm usually a fantasy writer, preferring medieval fantasy rather than "realism" or anything else.

To give some background as well - I am 25 and have always known I was different. My mother always wanted me to be like other children though (she didn't know I was Aspie, has suffered from depression all her life, and I believe may also be Aspie) and so I learnt to try and copy others or force myself to do things I otherwise wouldn't, just to please her and be accepted and not cause our fights etc.

Thank you all, here is the story I wrote:

How Kara Met God

Kara didn?t enjoy being the centre of attention. She didn?t even think of herself as that important and found other people more interesting and deserving of praise. But people didn?t give her much thought anyway, which is how she liked it. She was just an average girl, with average potential, average looks and an average family. That was all she wanted.
Kara went up to her mother and gave her a hug. The one thing that wasn?t average about Kara was her ability to love others. She loved everyone so intensely she often felt like chaining them to her before they could get away.
?I love you mum,? Kara said, squeezing her mother tightly.
Beverley placed her hand on Kara?s back after a moment of surprise and said, ?I love you too, Kay.?
A couple months ago Kara was in a terrible accident. Everyone thought she was going to die. She was in a coma for over a month when she woke up, crying. She wouldn?t stop crying for days, her parents worried that she had sustained brain damage. The doctors assured them she was okay though, saying it was just shock, and eventually she stopped crying and was released from hospital. Now she loved everyone so intensely it took them by surprise.
?You should get going, or you?ll be late for school,? Kara?s mother said, as she managed to writhe free.
Kara gave a big toothy smile, ?School!?
Beverley looked at her daughter quizzically, ?This isn?t like you. Since when do you like school so much??
?Since I came back from the dead,? Kara said, a tinge of sadness in her tone.
Since I met God, Kara thought.
Beverley grabbed her daughter and hugged her further, ?Please don?t be sad, honey. You?re okay now.?
?I?m not sad mum. I?m happier than I?ve ever been.?
And it was the truth.
Kara made her way to school by the bus that stopped outside her parents? house. Usually she would drive, but her car was totalled in the accident. She often wondered how it happened. Why it happened.
Couldn?t she somehow have stopped it from happening?
When Kara spoke to the psychiatrist about this, she said it was normal to blame herself for something that could have hurt her friends and almost killed her. It was normal to take blame for something that happened because she was behind the wheel. But she reassured Kara that what happened was an accident and couldn?t have been avoided.
But what happened to Kara was far from normal.
Kara told the psychiatrist she was probably right, but kept her thoughts to herself.
On the bus trip Kara watched all the people around her. There were a couple of boys from the primary school nearby throwing paper balls at a girl ahead of them. This made Kara smile. This wouldn?t usually make Kara smile.
On the other side was an elderly lady holding a large bag for groceries and shaking her head at the young boys. This made Kara feel intensely happy, she couldn?t help but start laughing. She laughed so loudly it surprised the gecko fixed to the window beside her with its padded toes and it ran away. Her voice echoed through the bus and people slowly stopped speaking. Everyone turned and looked at her. Stared at her. Kara forced her laughter down and they all turned away.
Kara made a note to keep her happiness to herself. People didn?t like it when you were too happy. She thought this was strange.
When Kara had died for those few minutes on the operating table, that?s when she found out the truth. Why everyone was here, why the world existed, why everyone populated the earth. The meaning of life. She met the big guy upstairs.
The bus drove her usual route and Kara admired the leafy green trees lining the suburban roads. Everything seemed brighter and more alive. The same things she used to see on her way to school seemed more beautiful to her somehow. More amazing than ever before. She marvelled at it and almost felt proud, but for that other feeling seeping in. Loneliness. She often wondered before the accident why people could feel so lonely when there were all these other people around them. If they talked to these people, made idle chit-chat, wouldn?t that make their loneliness go away? Wouldn?t that make them feel less alone, like their existence was a shared one? But now she understood.
The bus stopped and some children came in. Two boys found each other and sat down beside each other, the one boy?s little sister sitting behind them and trying to include herself in their banter, poking her head through the crack in the chairs only to have her brother push her away. In that moment Kara really loved that little girl. But wasn?t it because she was that little girl too?
The bus filled with more people. There was a business man, busy looking at his phone, there was an older girl in a shop uniform, looking at her watch often and watching impatiently as the driver took payment from a disorganised couple of girls, dressed casually and giggling happily. There was a woman and her baby son. She was rolling the pram back and forth, trying to quieten him down and then there was someone else. Someone familiar. Kara recognised her friend Sam coming onto the bus. As usual she was not quite dressed, her singlet showing because her uniform shirt hadn?t been buttoned up and her hair damp. She saw Kara and gave a half smile, walking hesitantly towards her.
?Hi Kara,? she said, taking the seat beside her.
Kara looked at her dishevelled friend and gave her a hug.
?Nice to see you too,? Sam replied.
?I?ve missed you.?
Sam smiled. ?I?ve missed you too. How are you doing??
?I?m the best I?ve ever been,? Kara exclaimed, beaming.
?You seem... different.?
Kara remembered that people didn?t like other people that were too happy. ?No. Not different. Just the same old Kara.?
?I would?ve visited you, but Mum and Dad had me looking after Mikey all summer while they were at work.?
?It?s okay. I understand.?
?I heard the guy that hit you came right at you. That he wasn?t drunk or on his phone or crazy or... anything. Just decided to hit into you.?
?That?s what the police told us.?
?Weird.?
?I guess it is,? Kara said, looking down at her hands in her lap. It was very strange. Like it was somehow meant to happen, like it had been planned. Ordained from God.
?I?m sorry. You obviously don?t want to talk about it.?
?No, it?s okay, really. Honestly, I?m happy to talk about anything?
Despite giving Sam the all clear, the conversation hit a dead end and the two of them sat in silence.
?How?s John and Abby??
?They?re okay. I?m surprised you haven?t seen them already.?
?I guess I was too busy savouring everything. Time ran away from me.?
?Fair enough. They seem okay though. You probably already know they were barely scratched. I mean, compared to you that is. A couple broken bones, but they recovered pretty quickly. Everyone was really just worried about you,? Sam said.
?I?m glad they?re okay. I felt like it was my fault.?
?Don?t say that. Everyone knows it wasn?t your fault.?
Silence again. Kara desperately wanted to lap up as much happiness she could get and steer clear of the topic that just brought awkwardness.
?What classes do you have this term,? Kara chimed in.
Sam took out a crumpled piece of paper from her bag. She unravelled it to reveal her timetable for the term.
?Oh, we?ll be in each other?s Economics class.?
?Cool. I can copy off of you.?
Kara cracked up, ?Not unless you want to fail. I suck at that class, but I have to do it if I want to get into Business.?
?Why are you doing it if you hate it so much??
?I don?t know what else to do. It?s not like I have any hobbies or interests.?
?Ugh, don?t start talking to me about that. I have no idea what I should be doing once we graduate. I?m thinking take a year off and travel sounds good. Then I?ll decide.?
Kara and Sam spoke like old times again. This made Kara happy, but she tried to keep her happiness down, so that it didn?t overflow. What would happen if she became too happy?
The bus stopped at their stop and Kara and Sam got off and walked into the school. Kara?s eyes marvelled at the wonder of all the people around her. Big, small, fat, skinny, short, tall, black, white, girl, boy, happy, unhappy, rich, poor, smart, stupid. All those people. They were all so very beautiful. But then she was separate from them. In her own universe. Her own being. This made her sad, but she refused to be sad. She wanted to be happy, to savour it. What if it all one day went away again?
Kara smiled. A few people noticed she was back, but didn?t come up to her to say hello. She saw John and he waved to her, but rushed off to his form class. She saw Abby then, talking to some girls from their grade. Kara knew she could see her from the corner of her eye, but she chose to ignore her instead of come and say hello. The bell rang and Kara looked at Sam, about to say goodbye. Sam seemed shocked.
?Kara, why are you making that face? Are you okay??
Kara felt her face. She was smiling so wide that she was baring all her teeth. She quickly closed her mouth.
?Sorry.?
Sam gave an uncomfortable chuckle and waved goodbye.
Kara spent the morning classes soaking up all the information she could. She had Geography and Maths, both subjects she usually hated, but this time she studied all the equations and listened to the list of all the countries, marvelling at the cultures and the purposes equations could serve. Her teachers glared at her in shock, as if she had been possessed, every time she raised her hand and asked a question.
Kara wondered how this all happened? Did people think this all up on their own, using their own ingenuity and determination? Or did God make things this way, like a car hitting another for no reason other than it was meant to happen? She had never realised how big and nuanced the world really was. It scared her. All it was was a small body of rock floating in space with nothing stopping it being wiped out.
Would she do such a thing? Would it matter?
Kara thought it was funny how some things would pop up in life and coincide with something else that had happened. Like when her grandmother died, that week she watched a movie about a little boy dealing with the loss of his grandmother on TV and then later that week listening in on how a man was talking about having been at his grandmother?s funeral. It was as if things fell into place around her when things like that happened, like everyone and everything was teaching her how to cope. Were these things really coincidences?
It happened again when she was sitting in class and asking another question of her Geography teacher.
?Sir, how many countries are there in the world??
?You?re rather inquisitive today, aren?t you. There are approximately 196.?
?Why only approximately??
?Because some countries are still fighting over boarders and things can change very quickly, so that tomorrow, there may be 197.?
?Right,? Kara said.
?Did you guys ever think that your mum could read your thoughts when you were a kid?? Liam said in the row behind her.
?Yeah, like she would just know when you had done something bad. My mum had the hearing of a bat, I swear. If you said anything bad, she would just turn and yell ?I heard that?,? Phillipa replied.
?Yeah, same here. Did you guys ever think that maybe you were actually the only person alive and that one day you?d wake up and everything was a dream. Like sometimes I?m dreaming, and my dreams feel so real that I think they are real. But what if this is all a dream too,? John blurted.
?Yes!? Kara yelled, turning to them happily.
Everyone turned and stared at her. Again, she had to remember. People didn?t like it when you were too happy.
?She?s so weird now,? Phillipa whispered.
At lunch time, Kara went to the library. Everyone was gossiping about her and talking about the accident. She didn?t want to face them. Not like that. So she went to the library instead to make sense of it all.
Kara wasn?t much of a religious type, but the first book she went to was the Bible. It was in the Religious Education section, along with the Koran and the ?Tanakh.?
She didn?t even know there was a Hebrew bible; she thought they just read the normal bible. Because of this, she opted to open the Bible instead, to the familiar phrase of ?In the Beginning.? Everything in life had a beginning, even the world it seemed. Although to Kara it seemed strange for there to never have been anything before everything. How would nothing feel? Would nothing feel? Kara suddenly realised why people believed in God and Allah and all those angels.
She skimmed the page and the tiny text. Luckily this section had no ?he begats?. She remembered those from religious education. They got old.
Kara read:
?And God said ?Let there be light,? and there was light...
?And there was evening, and there was morning?the third day...
?Then God said, ?Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness??
Wait. Us? Were there two Gods? A God and a Goddess? Did that mean there was hope? Or was it just a mistake? Did God create people and the earth because he was lonely?
Kara thought so. It felt lonely.
Kara looked for more answers. If this was all her world, the answers must have been somewhere. Isn?t that what they tell people who have hypnotherapy? But Kara knew Christianity wasn?t the only religion. She looked elsewhere.
She went to one of the free computers in the library and logged in with her student code. She searched gods and goddesses and found many pop up on the screen, from all around the world. She remembered her father teaching her about the Greek Gods. He was into that mythical stuff. She looked up Greek Myths and read about their creation. Or at least their version of it.
?In the beginning??
Again that familiar phrase.
?There was chaos, a primeval state of existence. Chaos was a primal emptiness, a dark, silent, formless and infinite oddity with no life. Out of Chaos, the Mother Goddess Gaea came into existence.?
The story wasn?t familiar but the Chaos was.
Gaea?
Kara kept to herself for the rest of the school day, Sam attempting to talk to her in Economics, but giving up after Kara gave short, uninterested answers. Her friends were distanced and whenever she walked past, they went silent. If only they knew what she was.
The bell went and Sam and Kara walked out to the front of the school, where the parents and buses lined up to take the students home.
?I?m getting a lift with Abby?s mum, so I won?t be on the bus with you,? Sam said.
?Okay.?
They walked to Abby?s mum?s car, Kara deep in thought.
?How are you Kara?? Abby?s mum said from behind the steering wheel.
Sam and Abby got in the back, Abby?s little brother in the front, all watching Kara warily.
?I?m fine, Mrs Dawson.?
?Are you sure you wouldn?t like a lift home??
?Mum,? Abby said under her breath, nudging her mother?s arm.
?I think I?ll just take the bus home today, Mrs Dawson. Thank you though.?
?Alright Kara, well you look after yourself.?
?Bye Kara,? Sam called, before they drove off.
The bus trip home was much the same. Kara tried to keep cheerful, watching the people laughing, arguing, chatting, reading, waiting and living. But after a while she was jealous of them. She wanted to live too, like she used to.
She arrived home and went straight to her room, flopping down on her bed.
?Kara. Kara? Are you alright??
Kara groaned back.
Her mother sighed. ?Hello to you too.?
Kara thought about sleeping and escaping her worries, but then she worried she might go back to the darkness. To the nothing. To the Chaos.
After a while of lying on her bed, thinking about all she had read, fearing the worst, she got up and went to see her mother ? Beverley ? as she cooked dinner. It smelt of lasagne. Beverley wasn?t much of a cook, but since Kara?s accident she had taken time off from work and begun playing the house wife, making elaborate meals and baking. Cupcakes abounded in the kitchen and Kara spied an apple crumble in the fridge as she went to get some juice.
?So the little miss has finally emerged. You going to tell me what?s wrong, or are we going to play at that game again,? Beverley said cutting at a tomato, as Kara took a seat by the kitchen table.
?Where?s dad??
?He?s still at work. His got a meeting with some clients oversees, so he probably won?t be home until late.?
?He?s been working late a lot.?
?I know. But he?s doing it to put food on the table. What?s up with you though? This morning you were all hunky-dory and now you?re all moody. What?s happening pumpkin??
?I?ve just been thinking is all.?
Beverley placed the knife down and came to sit beside her daughter. ?Kay, you know it wasn?t you?re fault. You couldn?t have stopped it,? she said, placing a hand on Kara?s.
?It?s not that mum. Well... I guess it is. But not really.?
?Are you going to tell me??
Kara glanced down at her hands as she wrung them. ?Can I ask you a question instead??
?Of course,? Beverley said, getting up to continue chopping at tomatoes.
?Do you believe in God??
?Well... we?re not a Christian family, you know that. I guess I used to believe when I was little, when your Gran would take me to Church every Sunday. I guess I hope he is real, but that I?m a bit more sceptical now than I used to be. Why do you ask??
?Do you think God made people because he was lonely??
?If he is real, I guess he would have been lonely all by himself up there. So yeah, maybe.?
?I think so too,? Kara said, beginning to cry.
?Oh pumpkin. What?s the matter??
Kara said nothing. She knew it must have been lonely and was glad she couldn?t remember it.
When she was ?dead? for that short time on the operating table, she had ventured into the darkness ? reality ? the ?Chaos?. There was nothing but her consciousness and an overwhelming loneliness. No sound, no smells, no sense of touch. Just her mind and the darkness. She wanted to cry, but she had no eyes. She wanted to wail, but she had no voice. All she had was thought and the emptiness of space. Kara did go back, to escape the loneliness. But things could never be the same again. At least here she could cry and feel her mother?s touch, even if it wasn?t real.
?Come on dry your face. I was saving the surprise for you, but Chris is having dinner with us tonight. He?s moving back and he wants to see how you?re doing.?
?That?s great news,? Kara managed, before a further onslaught of tears came.
?I think you must just be tired. Come on. You go rest. I?ll fetch you when dinner is ready.?
Kara was escorted to her bed where she slept for what seemed like days. She didn?t go back to the darkness as she had feared, but watched the people she had created live their lives. She went to places she had never been, but knew she had created them. She saw people from all walks of life and knew it was she who made them.
?Kara, look who?s here.?
Kara opened her eyes to see her mother and brother by her bedside. ?Chris!? she squealed, leaping up to hug him.
Chris laughed, ?Hi twerp,? he teased. ?How are you? I hope your noggin is still ok.?
?They say so,? Beverley said tentatively.
?I?m fine. Just... adjusting.?
They had dinner as a family, Kara enjoying the company her brother added and hoping she would one day forget what she had found out. As she went to the bathroom though, she overheard her brother and mother talking.
?She seems different.?
?The doctors said she was fine. No brain damage. But Stuart and I aren?t so sure. She burst into tears this afternoon, just like that. And this morning, she was just so... needy.?
?Do you think it changed her??
?Chris, what happened would change anyone, but I think there?s something wrong. I worry about her.?
?Why isn?t Stuart here? Shouldn?t he be here with you guys??
?Now don?t start. Stuart uses work to escape from it. It?s been hard on him, you know. Kara?s his little girl, his only child.?
?No excuse to be avoiding it.?
?Chris please don?t start. We need to be strong. For your sister.?
?I know... I?m sorry.?
Had she gone mad? Was it all a dream? It couldn?t have been. It felt more real than all of this. She had never felt more awake.
The finished dinner and chatted till late, Chris telling them about uni and what he had been up to in Sydney. His stories made Kara forget, if only for a moment.
When it was all done, Chris leaving and Kara and her mother both gone to bed, Kara lay in bed, unable to sleep. She was too full of thoughts. Surely she could have stopped the accident if she was this world?s creator. Had she wanted to ?wake up,? had she wanted the truth? Is that why it happened? Who would want this though ? this loneliness.
A creak came at Kara?s door and her father stepped in, suited up in black and blue pinstripe.
?I?m sorry, did I wake you??
?No. I can?t sleep.?
He sat down on the bed beside her, stroking her hair and smiling. ?What?s troubling you??
?Dad, do you sometimes feel alone.?
?Of course. But then I think of you and your mother and I don?t feel so alone.?
?Aren?t you afraid that will one day stop? That you will truly be alone? Nothing to make you feel better??
?Everyone will have to go through that eventually Kara. We all have to die alone, but we can take solace in the fact that we are alone together in that.?
Kara thought about this. ?I guess you?re right. Thanks Dad. Goodnight.?
?Night Kay.?
Kara went to sleep quickly. In her sleep she slipped away to her death, like a thief creeping away. Her place, she decided, was to watch on. Watch the lonely people and join them in their loneliness. It was only fair.



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28 May 2014, 9:30 pm

That was a great story! :D
what happens next?
I didn't understand what it has to do with aspergers though.



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28 May 2014, 10:12 pm

Hello Linatet,

Thank you :D I haven't planned to write anymore on this story really.

I don't think it's about a girl with Aspergers, but often, especially with stories that feel really close to home to me (like this one), I feel like I portray some of my own inner workings.

I guess what I'm trying to find out is if anyone else sees the parallels between what Kara is feeling/going through and their own experiences with how it feels to have Aspergers. In other words, alienation, loneliness, isolation and feelings like no one gets you I guess? I'm kinda finding it hard to trawl through my own emotional stuff at the moment and determining between what's real and what isn't, and am having doubts about whether I really have Autism or am maybe suffering from some other psychiatric problem (although, I've felt this way forever). I guess I'm trying to use this story as a way to gage my feelings against everyone else's here.

Not sure if this makes sense?



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29 May 2014, 5:12 am

oh, right.
can you talk more about the story? the interpretations about God and loneliness and the chaos?

I can comment on how I relate to Kara. :)
(the citations are only indicatives of the excerpt I am talking about)

-"Kara didn?t enjoy being the centre of attention. " totally
-"This made Kara feel intensely happy, she couldn?t help but start laughing. Her voice echoed through the bus and people slowly stopped speaking." I relate to this. in aspergers literature it is called out of blue laughter.
-"The bus drove her usual route and Kara admired the leafy green trees lining the suburban roads" [...] "Kara?s eyes marvelled at the wonder of all the people around her. Big, small, fat, skinny, short, tall, black, white, girl, boy, happy, unhappy, rich, poor, smart, stupid. All those people. They were all so very beautiful. But then she was separate from them. In her own universe. Her own being." I think it is very common for us to notice the details and be reflective like that


-?Kara, why are you making that face? Are you okay?? -
Kara felt her face. She was smiling so wide that she was baring all her teeth. She quickly closed her mouth.
?Sorry.?
Sam gave an uncomfortable chuckle and waved goodbye." I didn't understand this part much but my friends usually chuckle in amusement at some things I say or do. Also people ask me why I am making such a face when I am not doing anything!

-"Kara spent the morning classes soaking up all the information she could." totally
-"She arrived home and went straight to her room, flopping down on her bed." sounds familiar. and my family members usually complain I get home and don't talk to them. but in this part Kara was sad, right? to me it is more like I am exhausted

sorry if this is not the kind of interpretation you were expecting. I feel when you asked how we relate you were asking about subjective associations and interpretations, right? but this taking the details of specific excerpts is how I interpret things



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29 May 2014, 6:59 am

To find if there is anything about her the comes across as autistic thinking, try to ask NTs if there is anything about her character they DON'T relate with. If many autistic people relate with those things, it may reflect autistic thinking.


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29 May 2014, 8:51 am

I didn't really like this story. I can relate to some of Karas experiences after the accident but the whole God and loneliness aren't my things and I don't think I could smile seeing boys bullying a girl. I was bullied like that my whole childhood so it wouldn't be a pleasant view. Also. The changes of mood and the crying... It sounds more like bipolar mania and depression episodes than autistic meltdowns. And the loving people too strongly. It isn't an Asperger trait. We love honestly, deep and we are very loyal but we don't "chain" people to not let them get away from us. Usually it is opposite way - we feel chained by other people. The "loving to strong" you describe here is more common in BPD and so on.
The fear of losing everyone (and not being able to feel the senses as well) isn't scary for me at all. In fact I experienced something similar a few times when I was sleeping (a dream where I was nothing but mind floating in a huge, empty dark area without any feelings, stimulations or people) and it didn't bother me at all. Actually it was calming. I could finally focus on my thoughts without being disturbed. Shutdowns I experience when overwhelmed are weaker version of this.
And well. You don't suddenly get autistic traits just because of NDE (although brain damage might cause it). Autism is something you grow up with and you slowly discover that not the world is different but you were not in tune with the world your whole life. It's not like one day you are normal and the next you see the world differently. You always did. You might eventually realize it suddenly but it won't change who you are.

But there is one thing that definitely sounds familiar - I experienced NDE when I was 6 months old. I don't remember anything of it though.

Anyway. If the story describes how you was feeling the whole life - it might be a sign you got AS or not, it is a spectrum after all. But if you experienced a sudden change at a point of your life like the girl in your story (even if it wasn't NDE) and you suddenly developed a lot of the traits that you didn't have before you should rather check other possibilities.

Btw: "alienation, loneliness, isolation and feelings like no one gets you" isn't really a part of having Aspergers. True. Most AS people (as well as people with other disorders) develop those at a point of their life but only once they realize they are different. Those aren't basic AS traits. They just often co-exist with Asperger due to the realization of social differences. Those are just results while Asperger traits are the reasons. What basic Asperger traits you got? <rhetorical question, no need to answer, just think about it>



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29 May 2014, 9:51 am

Kiriae wrote:
I didn't really like this story. I can relate to some of Karas experiences after the accident but the whole God and loneliness aren't my things and I don't think I could smile seeing boys bullying a girl. I was bullied like that my whole childhood so it wouldn't be a pleasant view. Also. The changes of mood and the crying... It sounds more like bipolar mania and depression episodes than autistic meltdowns. And the loving people too strongly. It isn't an Asperger trait. We love honestly, deep and we are very loyal but we don't "chain" people to not let them get away from us. Usually it is opposite way - we feel chained by other people. The "loving to strong" you describe here is more common in BPD and so on.
The fear of losing everyone (and not being able to feel the senses as well) isn't scary for me at all. In fact I experienced something similar a few times when I was sleeping (a dream where I was nothing but mind floating in a huge, empty dark area without any feelings, stimulations or people) and it didn't bother me at all. Actually it was calming. I could finally focus on my thoughts without being disturbed. Shutdowns I experience when overwhelmed are weaker version of this.
And well. You don't suddenly get autistic traits just because of NDE (although brain damage might cause it). Autism is something you grow up with and you slowly discover that not the world is different but you were not in tune with the world your whole life. It's not like one day you are normal and the next you see the world differently. You always did. You might eventually realize it suddenly but it won't change who you are.

But there is one thing that definitely sounds familiar - I experienced NDE when I was 6 months old. I don't remember anything of it though.

Anyway. If the story describes how you was feeling the whole life - it might be a sign you got AS or not, it is a spectrum after all. But if you experienced a sudden change at a point of your life like the girl in your story (even if it wasn't NDE) and you suddenly developed a lot of the traits that you didn't have before you should rather check other possibilities.

Btw: "alienation, loneliness, isolation and feelings like no one gets you" isn't really a part of having Aspergers. True. Most AS people (as well as people with other disorders) develop those at a point of their life but only once they realize they are different. Those aren't basic AS traits. They just often co-exist with Asperger due to the realization of social differences. Those are just results while Asperger traits are the reasons. What basic Asperger traits you got? <rhetorical question, no need to answer, just think about it>


Haven't read the story as I don't have time to, but I will say this. From the way you describe the mood swings, it actually does sound more like Aspergers than bipolar as bipolar doesn't cause rapid mood swings like the media portrays it as, it causes longer episodes of mania and depression. During an episode of mania, one may be irritable, but that would be a translation from happy to angry, not crying. Sudden mood changes sound more like a hormonal thing eg. teenagers, and aspergers may excuberate it through poor mood regulation.

Having aspergers can definitely make one feel lonely due to lack of meaningful friendships, it really depends on the person and how much they desire social attachment. This is complicated by as I presume that generally autistic people feel less need for social interaction, but are more likely to become attached to a specific person. Anyway, every apie is different.


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29 May 2014, 10:08 am

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To find if there is anything about her the comes across as autistic thinking, try to ask NTs if there is anything about her character they DON'T relate with. If many autistic people relate with those things, it may reflect autistic thinking.

I don't think the story reflects aspergers in any exclusive way, there is, anyone could identify or not, being aspie or not.

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the whole God and loneliness aren't my things

mine neither. I am atheist and skeptical

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And the loving people too strongly. It isn't an Asperger trait. We love honestly, deep and we are very loyal but we don't "chain" people to not let them get away from us. Usually it is opposite way - we feel chained by other people.

I didn't see it in the story. Who is she chaining?
Also do you mean aspergers can't love people strongly or that loving people strongly or not is not relevant to aspergers?
If it it the first one then disagree - yes we can. If you mean the second one then agreed



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29 May 2014, 10:57 am

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Haven't read the story as I don't have time to, but I will say this. From the way you describe the mood swings, it actually does sound more like Aspergers than bipolar as bipolar doesn't cause rapid mood swings like the media portrays it as, it causes longer episodes of mania and depression. During an episode of mania, one may be irritable, but that would be a translation from happy to angry, not crying. Sudden mood changes sound more like a hormonal thing eg. teenagers, and aspergers may excuberate it through poor mood regulation.

Then read it.
The mood change I am pointing out is the main character being over happy and positive with the whole world after getting to her normal life after the accident (mania), then getting depressive, feeling lonely and anxious after thinking the God must have been lonely before he created the world (depresion). And apparently she was in the depression for a month between the accident and the time she got back home too. It doesn't sound as Aspergers meltdowns to me, does it to you?

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And the loving people too strongly. It isn't an Asperger trait. We love honestly, deep and we are very loyal but we don't "chain" people to not let them get away from us. Usually it is opposite way - we feel chained by other people.

I didn't see it in the story. Who is she chaining?
Also do you mean aspergers can't love people strongly or that loving people strongly or not is not relevant to aspergers?
If it it the first one then disagree - yes we can. If you mean the second one then agreed


I am telling about this fragment:
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Kara went up to her mother and gave her a hug. The one thing that wasn?t average about Kara was her ability to love others. She loved everyone so intensely she often felt like chaining them to her before they could get away.
?I love you mum,? Kara said, squeezing her mother tightly.
Beverley placed her hand on Kara?s back after a moment of surprise and said, ?I love you too, Kay.?
A couple months ago Kara was in a terrible accident. Everyone thought she was going to die. She was in a coma for over a month when she woke up, crying. She wouldn?t stop crying for days, her parents worried that she had sustained brain damage. The doctors assured them she was okay though, saying it was just shock, and eventually she stopped crying and was released from hospital. Now she loved everyone so intensely it took them by surprise.
?You should get going, or you?ll be late for school,? Kara?s mother said, as she managed to writhe free.

I am not saying we can't love strongly. In fact when we do it is so strong we can't understand what is going on with us and how to deal with it. I am just saying we have trouble with expressing our love. I don't know how the others but I am often feeling like my relationships look as if they were one sided. I love but I don't know how to show it so I don't do anything while my loved ones hug me and tell me sweet words that I consider unnecessary, plain and (in hugs case) uncomfortable. I could do it too but I can't understand why I should. Those are just gestures and words, they can't express what I feel inside. People often tell me "I can't love" or "I don't love them" (while I honestly do and try to find a way to express it). No one ever been surprised by how strong I love them. No matter what I was doing it they were always thinking I don't love them even a little as strong as they love me.

The thing that the girl in the story does might be opposite of my current inability to express love. Maybe she gives the hugs because she knows the hugs are expression of love but she uses too much force and squeezes people instead of hugging them. I remember doing so when I was 9 and my mom tried to teach me I should hug her sometimes. After a while my mom started to tell me she doesn't want me to "hang on her like that" anymore so I stopped. I couldn't understand what is her deal. She was always hugging me and she wanted me to hug her back so why she was angry when I finally did? :lol:
But something tells me it isn't the case and the girl in the story really considers hugs and their strength accurate to the feelings she wants to express.



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29 May 2014, 11:09 am

Kiriae wrote:
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Haven't read the story as I don't have time to, but I will say this. From the way you describe the mood swings, it actually does sound more like Aspergers than bipolar as bipolar doesn't cause rapid mood swings like the media portrays it as, it causes longer episodes of mania and depression. During an episode of mania, one may be irritable, but that would be a translation from happy to angry, not crying. Sudden mood changes sound more like a hormonal thing eg. teenagers, and aspergers may excuberate it through poor mood regulation.

Then read it.
The mood change I am pointing out is the main character being over happy and positive with the whole world after getting to her normal life after the accident (mania), then getting depressive, feeling lonely and anxious after thinking the God must have been lonely before he created the world (depresion). And apparently she was in the depression for a month between the accident and the time she got back home too. It doesn't sound as Aspergers meltdowns to me, does it to you?

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And the loving people too strongly. It isn't an Asperger trait. We love honestly, deep and we are very loyal but we don't "chain" people to not let them get away from us. Usually it is opposite way - we feel chained by other people.

I didn't see it in the story. Who is she chaining?
Also do you mean aspergers can't love people strongly or that loving people strongly or not is not relevant to aspergers?
If it it the first one then disagree - yes we can. If you mean the second one then agreed


I am telling about this fragment:
ConfusedAlot wrote:
Kara went up to her mother and gave her a hug. The one thing that wasn?t average about Kara was her ability to love others. She loved everyone so intensely she often felt like chaining them to her before they could get away.
?I love you mum,? Kara said, squeezing her mother tightly.
Beverley placed her hand on Kara?s back after a moment of surprise and said, ?I love you too, Kay.?
A couple months ago Kara was in a terrible accident. Everyone thought she was going to die. She was in a coma for over a month when she woke up, crying. She wouldn?t stop crying for days, her parents worried that she had sustained brain damage. The doctors assured them she was okay though, saying it was just shock, and eventually she stopped crying and was released from hospital. Now she loved everyone so intensely it took them by surprise.
?You should get going, or you?ll be late for school,? Kara?s mother said, as she managed to writhe free.

I am not saying we can't love strongly. In fact when we do it is so strong we can't understand what is going on with us and how to deal with it. I am just saying we have trouble with expressing our love. I don't know how the others but I am often feel like my relationships look as if they were one sided. I love but I don't know how to show it so I don't do anything while my loved ones hug me and tell me sweet words that I consider unnecessary, plain and (in hugs case) uncomfortable. I could do it too but I can't understand why I should. Those are just gestures and words, they can't express what I feel inside.

oh, right.
I have trouble expressing feelings too.
A little bit differently it seems, though. I love hugs (from the right people of course) but I don't hug anyone, people have to hug me. I also feel uncomfortable in emotional situations and never express affection spontaneously. I don't think expressions like "I love you" are unnecessary but somehow I have a hard time saying those kinds of things.

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The thing that the girl in the story does might be opposite of my current inability to express love. Maybe she gives the hugs because she knows the hugs are expression of love but she uses too much force and squeezes people instead of hugging them. I remember doing so when I was 9 and my mom tried to teach me I should hug her sometimes. After a while my mom started to tell me she doesn't want me to "hang on her like that" anymore so I stopped. I couldn't understand what is her deal. She was always hugging me and she wanted me to hug her back so why she was angry when I finally did? :lol:

:lol:

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But something tells me it isn't the case and the girl in the story really considers hugs and their strength accurate to the feelings she wants to express
well, when I was a child (till 8 yo more or less) I was very affectionate



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31 May 2014, 6:06 pm

Like they say, "If you've met one Aspie, you've met one Aspie." We're all different.

And religion is a prime example. I was surprised to learn that not everyone on the spectrum is an atheist, or even agnostic. It makes sense to me, therefore it makes sense, therefore any rational person would see everything the way I do, therefore all austic people must be atheists. Funny, how that didn't turn out to be true.

Your reminded me of something I wrote, maybe a year ago.
It?s an intro to a book, and I?ll write the rest of it someday.



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"Oh, god, what the hell is wrong with you?"

Chapter One:

When I woke up, the first sensation to enter my awareness was the feeling of sand on my cheek. Then came the feeling of a cool breeze and sand on my skin, suggesting that I was outside and completely naked. I didn?t really want to open my eyes to confirm this. Then I heard the roar of the ocean.

I half-opened one eye and found that I was on the beach. Not just any beach, but the one near the shore house my grandparents bought around 1950. I sat up and looked around. Yep, it was the same old beach, but now devoid of any signs of human contamination. Gone were the jetties, the lifeguard stand, the garbage cans, the wooden walkway. All that remained was the weathered fence around the dunes that one might leave in an artsy, rustic painting.

The last thing I remembered was deciding to take a nap. I?d had some odd sensations, including mild visual distortions, and the though of having a stroke crossed my mind. The next thing I knew, I woke up here.

The first thought that might seem obvious to anyone else was rejected before it reached full consciousness. As a third-generation agnostic and gut-level atheist, I would patiently wait for a rational explanation.

After a moment, I saw that the place wasn?t completely deserted. I spotted movement down the beach, perhaps a half-mile to the south, in the form of a man with a brown, ankle-length hoodie and sandals, casually strolling in my direction. It would take a while for him to reach my area.

I stood up and walked down to the surf to put my toes in the water. Even when I don?t actually go for a swim, I can?t visit my ocean without at least saying hello. Then I walked back up toward the dunes and sat, with my knees up to cover as much as possible, in the futile hope that this intruder would walk by and not notice me or my nakedness.

When he reached a spot in the surf that was nearly even with my spot, he took a sharp left and strolled straight toward me.

I generally try not to judge things too hastily. There might have been a reason for this incursion. I was determined to wait patiently and find out what he wanted.

When he reached a point about six feet from me, he paused. He didn?t say anything right away.

?Who the hell are you?? I asked. So much for my resolve.

?Well,? he said with a sigh, ?For lack of a better term, I suppose you could call me ?god.??

This was too much. I let the dead air swell between us for a few minutes while I absorbed this. I knew it would take a while to sort it out, so I decided to take his statement at face value and see how it played out.

Then my mind flashed back to all the horrors of the world: the wars, the misery, the corruption, man?s general inhumanity.

?I?ve always said that, if I ever run into someone like you, I would have a few questions. A lot of questions. Starting with ? what the hell is wrong with you?

?That?s a fair question,? he nodded, ?and you are probably one of the few people who could grasp even a small part of the answer, given a few centuries of intense effort. In your internal language, you might say that ?the truth is out there,? but only if you have the desire and the tenacity to pursue it.?

He paused, as though in thought, but more likely to give me a moment to digest. Then he continued. ?In the meantime, I have a question for you. It is my standard question for everyone who arrives here.

I wanted to ask, ?And where, pray tell, is ?here,?? but refrained and let him go on.

?On the negative side, you don?t have much ?sin? to speak of. The worst was that incident with Joyce when you were 16, which was followed by enough guilt and self-loathing that I think we can call it even.?

That part worked well enough for me, but his tone suggested that more was coming, and that it would not leave me entirely comfortable.

?So, the main question that remains is on the positive side. I phrase it a little differently for each individual, and it is usually a little more long-winded but, for you, I think I can sum up the question rather neatly:

?Who are you, and what have you done to justify your existence??

Well, I thought, the short answer would be, ?I tried,? but I had a feeling that he wanted a little something more than that. A life-long career of tilting at windmills doesn?t make for an impressive resume.

And ?Who am I?? That would take even longer. I never did come up with a clear, concise description of Asperger?s.

?I know,? said he, ?this will take some time.?

He looked out across the ocean with a wistful smile. ?I?ll have to admit that this was one of my better ideas.?

He turned away to continue his stroll up the beach, then turned back as if in afterthought. ?By the way, your old, green beach dress is hanging on the fence.? He pointed to a gap in the dunes, and then was on his way.

?Jackass?? I thought as I reached for the dress and put it on. ?He could just as easily have given it to me from the beginning. Some people just live for power games.?

I climbed to the top of the dune and saw that the whole island was empty of houses, streets and every other sign of human habitation; just one big sandbar, with tall grass and a few swampy spots. And there, at a distance that would been about two blocks away if the roads were still there, my grandparents? house stood completely alone.

The dock, out in front of the house overlooking the cove, was the only one in existence. A seagull stood on one of the pilings.

Inside and out, it was mostly as it had been when I was a child in the mid 1960?s. The red checkered table cloth, the blue, fishy theme on the curtains and bedspread, the wicker furniture in the living room, the vast collection of Readers Digest condensed books on the tall shelves, even the tiny kitchen, and the glass jar with a piece of weathered tape that said, ?salt.?

Among the very few updates was an early 1990?s style desk-top computer where the old TV should have been. Of course, it had no internet connection ? just a glorified word processor.

?That?s just about all I really need to start my little assignment. Or rather, my big assignment.?

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Chapter Two:
The story of my life as an Aspie begins?

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End of the epilogue, several chapters later:
?Well, it?s a start,? said the deity?