AspE wrote:
eric76 wrote:
MakaylaTheAspie wrote:
If you wanna know what's going on, the general overview is that the police force in Ferguson, Missouri is seriously abusing their power and bringing police brutality on to a 1950s-60s level.
And I say 1950s-60s because they are attacking innocent people because of the color of their skin.
Anyways, it's just escalating like crazy there, but the only footage of it being released is by these people who are literally risking their lives to show the world what's going on.
The general feeling is often quite wrong.
From what I have seen, I suspect the shooting was entirely justified.
From
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/:
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According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said..
?They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that?s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman?s firearm, resulting in the gun going off ? although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
So when you said
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And I say 1950s-60s because they are attacking innocent people because of the color of their skin.
You are probably right, at least to a degree, but it was Brown who was attacking, not the police.
That could be the case, but there is more than one side to the story. Credible eyewitness accounts say that Wilson was shooting at him as soon as he stepped out of his police car. Those shots may not have hit him. The same witness said he fell forward as the result of being shot, but did not charge the officer.
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Furthermore, as if it matters, the so-called robbery may not have been anything at all, just a misunderstanding.
Right. Maybe he thought the store was giving everything away.
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And I don't believe anything from Fox News, it's not a news outlet, it's a propaganda outlet.
No more than any other of the usual news sources.
How about this from
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-shooting-grand-jury-decide-october-charge-cop/story?id=25047905:
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The Ferguson police officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager suffered ?a serious facial injury? in the altercation before firing the fatal shots, according to a source close to the officer who spoke to ABC News today.
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Supporters of Wilson, however, point to a videotape taken by a Ferguson resident showing Brown's body lying in the street. In the background of the video a man's voice can be heard saying, "Police got out and ran after him. The next thing I know he's coming back towards the officer. The police had his gun drawn on him."
Is ABC another propaganda outlet?
The facial injuries are well documented. Do you think the officer hit himself?
From
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/08/19/missouri-shooting-accounts-differ-holder-schedules-visit/Obj6jwcimy73EkrE30TMGM/story.html:
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Some of the accounts seem to agree on how the fatal altercation initially unfolded: with a struggle between the officer, Darren Wilson, and the teenager, Michael Brown. Wilson was inside his patrol car at the time, while Brown, who was unarmed, was leaning in through an open window.
Many witnesses also agreed on what happened next: Wilson?s firearm went off inside the car, Brown ran away, the officer got out of his car and began firing toward Brown, and then Brown stopped, turned around, and faced the officer.
But on the crucial moments that followed, the accounts differ sharply, officials say. Some witnesses say Brown, 18, moved toward Wilson, possibly in a threatening manner, when the officer shot him dead. But others say Brown was not moving and may even have had his hands up when he was killed.
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As clashes in Ferguson continued on Tuesday, federal authorities learned the results of an autopsy performed on Brown by military coroners that showed that he had been shot six times, though they declined to release further details until their investigation was finished. An autopsy conducted on behalf of Brown?s family also found that he had been shot at least six times ? including once in the face and once in the top of his head ? with all bullets striking him in the front. The county has also done an autopsy, which found evidence of marijuana in Brown?s system.
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A lawyer for Johnson said that his client was interviewed by the FBI and the St. Louis County Police last week for nearly four hours. In that interview, Johnson admitted that he and Brown had stolen cigarillos from the store, said the lawyer, Freeman R. Bosley Jr.
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Contrary to what several witnesses have told law enforcement officials, Bosley said that the officer then reached out of the window with his left hand and grabbed Brown by the throat. He said Brown pushed him off, and the officer then grabbed Brown?s shirt.
So Brown's accomplice admits that it was a robbery and you think that it was some kind of misunderstanding?
I'm really curious about that last part. Brown was quite big. I really don't believe that the office reached out of the car and grabbed him by the throat unless either the officer had really long arms or the police car was more like a truck.
From
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/:
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Multiple witnesses in riot-torn Ferguson, Mo., said that the unarmed black teen killed by a white cop attacked the officer in his patrol car before the teen was shot, according to a new report.
?Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop?s version of events in shooting,? St. Louis Post-Dispatch crime reporter Christine Byers tweeted, without elaborating.
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Wilson, she said, ?tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.
?And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and then Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off,? Josie said.
?Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And Darren?s first protocol is to pursue. So he stands up and yells, ?Freeze!? Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him ? And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed,? she told the station.
?So [Wilson] really thinks [Brown] was on something, because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two to three feet in front of the officer,? she said.
Multiple witnesses?
If you are going to discount the testimony of multiple witnesses, then those witnesses had better be very unbelievable as witnesses.
20 Aug 2014, 9:29 pm
