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10 Feb 2010, 2:03 pm

I was speaking of it being BS in the sense of being related to Microsoft's SYNC technology, as the Poster's subject line so references. Perhaps I didn't properly differentiate that.

Its obvious that the recalls are occurring, and it's obvious that its being blamed on A software problem, just not related to Microsoft. Just trying to clarify that, that's all.

So in that sense, yes, it is BS!


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25 Feb 2010, 6:53 pm

The real BS is that the news reported it as a problem with the pedals themselves
for weeks after the Toyota engineers identified it as a software problem. The
Lexus was advertising a hard drive. A few years ago someone advertised a
VISTA car but that was before they accepted or realized the "failure" status of
the VISTA OS, which is well known to geeks. I don't know what convinced anyone
to buy it other than MSFT not selling XP any more (thus XP not an option) but
that end was delayed for two years while people avoided buying it, and it is
well known that they started it over in the middle also.

I am not going to insist that ETCS-i runs on Windows or MSauto or CE, but
only that the cars do run some of that stuff, and because of the virus and
BSoD curse of Windows, any thing that malfunctions AND runs Windows
doesn't glorify MSFT in any way. Especially as I said, it is a worn out joke
that because of BSoDs, "Microsoft Cars" as an idea ARE a joke.

I have an I-told-you-so here, since I knew the software problem way
before the news started blaming it on the pedals. But some say and
I won't disagree that Toyota may have been "set up", after all, they
were working on the software problem and then being blamed for
the "pedals" coverup, which implies someone's theory that it is a
plot to sell more GM cars. The software crashes rarely compared
to the amount of cars that have it, and the manual override "patch"
is effective even though it may seem like a constant reminder of
the as yet unknown "bug" that causes the problem. I'd much rather
have a patched Toyota (ETCS-i override) than a Ford Pinto, which
has the exploding gas tank. (that's ancient news) But they are definitely
motivated to find the bug and fix it, because they have a huge recall
and can't sell the defective cars.

My only point is we are being lied to about too many things.
With the wrong information, the wrong decisions are being made.
Anyone could have gotten between the engineers and the TV screen
to push the "pedals" lie, for any money evil reason, and Toyota
seems less likely than GM, the media, the gov, or even MSFT if
they had something to do with it. If your business totally BSoDs,
remember that EULA prevents you from blaming MSFT. Knowing that,
to run a business that way, a BSoD would be all your fault.



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25 Feb 2010, 9:27 pm

ValMikeSmith wrote:
few years ago someone advertised a
VISTA car but that was before they accepted or realized the "failure" status of
the VISTA OS, which is well known to geeks.



To further quote you, "My only point is we are being lied to about too many things.
With the wrong information, the wrong decisions are being made."

Something you obviously fell victim to in believing VISTA was a "Failure". VISTA was only a "failure" due to false media hype, which you are so heavily bashing, but don't seem to be doing much to stem that tide of.

Again, more FUD without the facts!


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27 Feb 2010, 8:07 pm

http://blip.tv/file/340692

I could not resist. :wink:



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28 Feb 2010, 3:24 pm

haha, nice!

ok, so I never said it wasn't a fat, ovebloated, resource hog - lol.

It was a new rework of the core, taken down a path no other OS had been before and a lot of 3rd party developers were'nt ready in writing the drivers/apps. There were a LOT of lessons learned, which is apparent with Windows 7. Though I remember how many media outlets complained about Whistler, err I mean XP, being slow and bloated when it was first released.


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08 May 2010, 7:36 pm

You can slow down a car by putting the Shift Lever into Neutral AKA N, because that disengages the engine from the wheels. Every Manual Transmission goes through Neutral when you shift.


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14 May 2014, 2:16 pm

iceb wrote:
I like my proper old fashioned car with its carburettors where my foot connects to a set of throttles no chance of software problems :)


One night when riding my old Triumph Bonneville on the Gulf Freeway from Clear Lake (where the Johnson Space Center is located) to downtown Houston, my throttle stuck at about 80 mph.

I'm not sure at what point it stuck because I was just cruising along at a pretty constant speed. I discovered that it was stuck when I came to the tail end of a traffic jam and let up on the throttle but kept going. By the time I thought to hit the kill switch, I was already going between lanes of very slowly moving cars.

The problem was pretty mechanical. Once I found it, it only took seconds to fix.



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21 Aug 2014, 4:15 am

iceb wrote:
I like my proper old fashioned car with its carburettors where my foot connects to a set of throttles no chance of software problems :)


Me too!



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21 Aug 2014, 6:28 am

ValMikeSmith wrote:
8O
The new Lexus with the SYNC and Hard Drive and also some
Toyotas made after 2005 have bloated software with a fatal
crash scenario: The gas pedal is just a big button connected
to the computer, and the computer controls the engine.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A HUGE ... RECALL ON ALL THOSE
CARS SINCE ONE POLICE CAR THAT CRASHED AND KILLED
ALL INSIDE ... SOMEONE DIALED 911 AND SAID "OMG WE
ARE GOING 110MPH AND WE CAN'T STOP" and then "click!"
When the computer crashes, the engine gets stuck on full
speed. I think I know a little more but probably should leave
some out. Anyway if you have a Toyota then search or
watch for the recall. I don't know how old this news is, it
might be a week old, or something that will be reported
tomorrow. Until the phone call, nobody knew what was
causing all those high speed accidents. I heard someone
say that they hope the "black box" has an error log, because
finding the problem will otherwise be like looking at every
line of code on the hard drive, and they don't think it will
be possible to find the problem unless the black box tells
them what went wrong. If someone you know gets the recall, pray the software gets fixed because the plan B is to make
it easier to stop the car in spite of the problem, by shifting
into neutral, braking, and turning off the key (which is for
some reason hard to do but is the best thing to do if it
happens).

Um... I don't know what else to say about this...
I hope it's not true because if it is then a lot of people
are getting hurt (DEAD) and Toyota may need a "bailout",
because from what I heard it's that serious.
And if it's not true, I'd hate to have been tricked into
telling a lie, especially such a horrible one.

THEY DO PUT HARD DRIVES IN CARS NOW,
AND WHOEVER'S IDEA IT WAS IS AN IDIOT!! !
Hasn't everyone heard a joke about "what if" they did this?

I can't help myself from saying...
I hope they didn't click I AGREE on the EULA.


Toyota/Lexus uses Linux (in fact, Toyota is one of the major sponsors of Linux). The infamous pedal problem is not because of a bug in the operating system, but because of a bug in proprietary software made by Toyota.

In any case, Nissan, who were the first to launch a car with steer-by-wire (Infiniti Q50), is using Windows.


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