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01 Sep 2014, 11:40 pm

Vladimir Putin threatens the Ukraine with nuclear war if it does not surrender at least part of its country to Russia.
What makes Mr Putin so sure even one of his nuclear warheads will work?

If there is any truth to this embarrassing individual's threats, then show the world Mr Putin.
Stage just one underground nuclear detonation.

The world is watching.

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-thre ... ter-267842



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01 Sep 2014, 11:53 pm

Most will probably fail. Russia is weak. NATO should preemptively invade Belarus to teach Putin a lesson.



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02 Sep 2014, 12:13 am

If they work isn't really the question. :D Not sure if they know what they are doing.
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02 Sep 2014, 12:14 am

ripped wrote:
What makes Mr Putin so sure even one of his nuclear warheads will work?



Is it worth the gamble of him bluffing or questioning his arsenal's effectiveness? We're not talking about north korea, after all.


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02 Sep 2014, 11:21 am

Worth noting that there have been ~1,200 Soyuz launches since the 1960s. Success rate of 97%

Russia has increasing problems with an aging rocket workforce and has seen more failures lately. But I wouldn't count on the mass failure of Russian rocketry.



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02 Sep 2014, 11:32 am

Countries got nuclear waepons as a international relation tool and menace, not to use them. (Unless the government is really crazy...)



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02 Sep 2014, 11:53 am

You're not too bright if you honestly believe this happened. Pretty much everything the Ukrainian government says is a lie, like completely Baghdad Bob-esqe propaganda. The Ukrainian government has basically claimed that Russia has launched a full scale invasion against them daily for the last 5 months while also claiming to basically take no losses and to be continually gaining ground, it's completely laughable.

They're losing the war because of incompetence, they had politicians and ideologues making battlefield decisions with a bunch of 19 year old conscripts who have no ability or will to fight. Basically the entire UA is encircled in Donbass, the rebels let the conscripts surrender and most do but show no mercy to the volunteers. This is how they've gotten most of their equipment, they take it from surrendering soldiers. If Russia really invaded, they could be in Kiev by the end of the week.



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02 Sep 2014, 12:08 pm

Humanaut wrote:
Most will probably fail. Russia is weak. NATO should preemptively invade Belarus to teach Putin a lesson.


http://www.globalfirepower.com/country- ... _id=russia

Russia is not weak...at all.



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02 Sep 2014, 2:49 pm

Russia is very weak. NATO could nuke Sevastopol, sink the Black Sea Fleet, and invade Belarus without much resistance. Russia is a joke, much like North Korea.



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02 Sep 2014, 5:08 pm

If they nuke Ukraine it would be small tactical nuke. But very unlikely.



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02 Sep 2014, 5:13 pm

Humanaut wrote:
Russia is very weak. NATO could nuke Sevastopol, sink the Black Sea Fleet, and invade Belarus without much resistance. Russia is a joke, much like North Korea.


This not how this works though, like the UK and US, there is always at least one ballistic sub out. So they can launch a nuclear strike from anywhere. Fixed launching site are obsolete.

Pre-emptive strikes to take out nuclear capability is very difficult.



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02 Sep 2014, 5:58 pm

If Russia uses any sort of nuke on the Ukraine, it will become a pariah state even worse than North Korea. What remains of the rest of the Ukraine will never forgive Russia.

When we used Nukes in WW2, it was to end a war that was already in progress, to divert the massive loss of life that would happen had the US invaded Japan by conventional means. -- While it was technically a 'Bad' thing to do, it is most probable that the loss of life for both sides of that conflict would have been worse had we not nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

From the Korean War until present conflicts, the Purple Heart medals issued to wounded US Soldiers are from back stock that was made in anticipation of the casualties that would have come about via the invasion of Japan.

If V.Putin nukes the Ukraine over territory things will NOT go well for Russia or V. Putin.


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02 Sep 2014, 6:07 pm

Misslizard wrote:
If they work isn't really the question. :D Not sure if they know what they are doing.
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To be fair, if you know the chamber is empty, that's what you have to do to inspect the cleanliness of the bore. 8)



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02 Sep 2014, 6:19 pm

0_equals_true wrote:

This not how this works though, like the UK and US, there is always at least one ballistic sub out. So they can launch a nuclear strike from anywhere. Fixed launching site are obsolete.

Pre-emptive strikes to take out nuclear capability is very difficult.


Let's not forget that Russia also has this capability, as well as the 'Perimeter' dead hand system.


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02 Sep 2014, 7:30 pm

Why would Russia use nukes? What has changed? The separatists are beating the Ukrainian Army now, they have Mariupol surrounded and have most the UA encircled in Donbass. The Ukrainians are getting desperate and are just making more and more ridiculous assertions trying to get NATO to intervene on their behalf. They're on the brink of bankruptcy, they have all mobilized 3 rounds of drafts and are planning more including university students. Come winter time Kiev will have no gas to heat their homes. Russia could take the whole of the country in a week or two, don't think because some Russian volunteers have crossed the border that it means that Russia has invaded. What is happening in Donbass isn't what a Russian invasion looks like, look at Georgia which had a better equipped and trained military. Putin doesn't need to lift a finger.



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02 Sep 2014, 9:12 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Russia is very weak. NATO could nuke Sevastopol, sink the Black Sea Fleet, and invade Belarus without much resistance. Russia is a joke, much like North Korea.


This not how this works though, like the UK and US, there is always at least one ballistic sub out. So they can launch a nuclear strike from anywhere. Fixed launching site are obsolete.

Pre-emptive strikes to take out nuclear capability is very difficult.

I don't think they would retaliate if Sevastopol got nuked. It's worth the risk. Get ready.

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