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05 Sep 2014, 8:06 am

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we dont need it banning like any word,we need people to take a bit of personal responsibility for themselves and others, to give people basic respect and not to refer to them with ancient offensive disablist slurs that clearly are used in society to mean 'stupidity'.

This exactly. The objection to "banning" its use is a straw man argument.

The thing that frustrates me is the way people seem so attached to using the word. I understand the instinct to react negatively when someone tells me how to, or how not to, speak. Who are they to tell me what I can or can't say? But when I take a step back and actually think about the context that I'm using the word in, 99.9% of the time it's not even appropriate for the situation. It's just a lazy use of the language, much like when people use the word gay as a substitute to mean anything bad or negative.

People say, "it just means slow" or "it's just an older term for intellectual disability", but we're not actually using it to mean slow or intellectually disabled. We're using it to say we didn't like the plot of a movie, or comment on how spastic one of our friends is acting, or our disagreement with a political policy. And even when we do use it to mean slow or intellectually disabled, it's still a less appropriate word than just saying "slow" or "intellectually disabled".

So if the vast majority of the time it's not a good choice of word for the situation, then my use of it just comes down to habit or laziness. And I have to honestly ask myself if that's really so important to me that it's worth the offense and hurt that using the word causes.



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05 Sep 2014, 8:58 am

I think if we protested over the use of a word that will only give people power over us and reinforce usage of the word.



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05 Sep 2014, 9:13 am

K_Kelly wrote:
I think if we protested over the use of a word that will only give people power over us and reinforce usage of the word.

I think that the progress the homosexual community has made in the last few years fighting the use of gay as a blanket derogatory term serves as a strong counter-example to that line of thinking.



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05 Sep 2014, 5:14 pm

gamerdad wrote:
KingdomOfRats wrote:
we dont need it banning like any word,we need people to take a bit of personal responsibility for themselves and others, to give people basic respect and not to refer to them with ancient offensive disablist slurs that clearly are used in society to mean 'stupidity'.

This exactly. The objection to "banning" its use is a straw man argument.

The thing that frustrates me is the way people seem so attached to using the word. I understand the instinct to react negatively when someone tells me how to, or how not to, speak. Who are they to tell me what I can or can't say? But when I take a step back and actually think about the context that I'm using the word in, 99.9% of the time it's not even appropriate for the situation. It's just a lazy use of the language, much like when people use the word gay as a substitute to mean anything bad or negative.

People say, "it just means slow" or "it's just an older term for intellectual disability", but we're not actually using it to mean slow or intellectually disabled. We're using it to say we didn't like the plot of a movie, or comment on how spastic one of our friends is acting, or our disagreement with a political policy. And even when we do use it to mean slow or intellectually disabled, it's still a less appropriate word than just saying "slow" or "intellectually disabled".

So if the vast majority of the time it's not a good choice of word for the situation, then my use of it just comes down to habit or laziness. And I have to honestly ask myself if that's really so important to me that it's worth the offense and hurt that using the word causes.


Yup. That is the problem. It gets used as a slang to mean "something I really dislike or that is bad". Is it any wonder that people who have the term in their medical records get angry that it gets used as a synonym for horrible?



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06 Sep 2014, 2:18 am

Janissy wrote:
gamerdad wrote:
KingdomOfRats wrote:
we dont need it banning like any word,we need people to take a bit of personal responsibility for themselves and others, to give people basic respect and not to refer to them with ancient offensive disablist slurs that clearly are used in society to mean 'stupidity'.

This exactly. The objection to "banning" its use is a straw man argument.

The thing that frustrates me is the way people seem so attached to using the word. I understand the instinct to react negatively when someone tells me how to, or how not to, speak. Who are they to tell me what I can or can't say? But when I take a step back and actually think about the context that I'm using the word in, 99.9% of the time it's not even appropriate for the situation. It's just a lazy use of the language, much like when people use the word gay as a substitute to mean anything bad or negative.

People say, "it just means slow" or "it's just an older term for intellectual disability", but we're not actually using it to mean slow or intellectually disabled. We're using it to say we didn't like the plot of a movie, or comment on how spastic one of our friends is acting, or our disagreement with a political policy. And even when we do use it to mean slow or intellectually disabled, it's still a less appropriate word than just saying "slow" or "intellectually disabled".

So if the vast majority of the time it's not a good choice of word for the situation, then my use of it just comes down to habit or laziness. And I have to honestly ask myself if that's really so important to me that it's worth the offense and hurt that using the word causes.


Yup. That is the problem. It gets used as a slang to mean "something I really dislike or that is bad". Is it any wonder that people who have the term in their medical records get angry that it gets used as a synonym for horrible?



Sometimes people don't even know what the word is. They just hear it as a slang and don't know the original meaning of it. You would think everyone knows about mental retardation but no they don't. I would assume this ignorance is only in the young. I only knew the word because I grew up being called it and I may have heard the word anyway even if I wasn't called it because I remember watching What's Eating Gilbert Grape and I saw Arnie and asked my mom what was wrong with him and she said "he's ret*d" and my 5th grade teacher said the same about his son when I asked why is he sort of in 6th grade and what does it mean and also the time a girl in my school who had Down's syndrome took my coat and wouldn't give it back to me and I was too afraid to pull it out of her hands fearing being seen as the bad girl and I came home and told my mom about her stealing my coat and she said "She is a little ret*d so she didn't know, go to her house and ask for it back from her parents." So sometimes the the word is used as a slang out of ignorance. With a new word for it some areas use, people may not have ever heard the word for the disability like I didn't know what stupid originally meant or dumb or moron or imbecile or idiot. But no one connects these words to the intellectual impaired people but still do with the R word so I can assume maybe twenty years down the road, ret*d will be safe to use because people won't be connecting it to the disability anymore. I wonder how long it took for people to stop connecting moron, imbecile, and idiot to intellectual impaired people before they became okay words to use without offending anyone.


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06 Sep 2014, 7:00 am

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Who are people to tell us how we can and can't speak, and why is it always neurotypical people who cry about the word "ret*d"? The First Amendment trumps political correctness in every way, shape, and form, and I, an Aspie, will not have some NT tell me how to speak or even think! I'll say the word "ret*d" all I want and nobody has the right to tell me otherwise! What changed in our society to make people so knee-jerk oversensitive and why? By banning the word "ret*d", they're only telling ASD people, cerebral palsy patients, and others (on top of those who actually are mentally ret*d) that they are too weak to live in a free and civilized society! Just because we have a disability doesn't mean we have to be shielded from the world! Those who'd say otherwise are the real ret*ds.


If you use the word ret*d you're not being "civilized". Some NEED to be shielded and shouldn't have to put up with such a derogatory word just because someone hasn't got imagination enough to use a replacement word. If you REALLY believe that you should be able to say it feel free to put your money where your mouth is and use the n-word around black people. See how that goes down for ya.



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08 Sep 2014, 2:14 am

I despise the "R" word a lot, I was called it a lot throughout my time in school and while playing online games, so I hate it. I equate it to a racial slur or an ethnic slur. I've tried to ask one company in particular to add it to their banned words list in a game and they refused to.



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13 Sep 2014, 5:10 pm

Well I'm NT with autistic kids, but the word "ret*d" really annoys me (I notice some people are saying it's just NTs who don't like it, so I'm an example of that). I also don't like using the word "gay" to mean stupid/something I don't like. I work with a woman who uses both on a regular basis and it's just annoying. Can't you think of a more descriptive word than "OH EM GEE THAT'S SO ret*d/GAY" when your computer is updating something? Jeez. And yes, she IS indicating that my kids (who would most likely both test under 70 on an IQ test, thus technically "ret*d") are stupid and useless. So that's an added turn-off. I've never said anything to her though- it's her prerogative how she speaks.


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13 Sep 2014, 5:35 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:
I equate it to a racial slur or an ethnic slur.


I agree with you here, but it's not just the slur we are getting it's the treatment as well.

For example when you apply for a job an employer is not allowed to discriminate on ethnicity or race, but is allowed to refuse someone for being autistic when the autistic person is perfectly capable of doing the job. You see it in more facets of society where discrimination or humiliation of autistic people is seen as socially acceptable ( i.e. bullying is seen as completely fine by most ).