lying to women on dating sites?

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I don't know if this makes you feel any better, but at least that's one problem you don't have - finding a woman you're attracted to. That might sound like a given to you, but it's not. I find relatively few women physically attractive. I mean, attractive enough that I wouldn't kick her out of bed - sure, that's common, but attractive enough to be worth any effort - that's relatively rare. And "gorgeous"? That's almost unheard of for me.



Erm, at the risk of stating the obvious: because it's unethical, that's why not. Isn't this like saying "if you can't earn money honestly then earn it by scamming people"? You need money to live, after all, so if anything, it's much more of a "need" than sex.

Well, at the risk of sounding like a complete a***hole, I don't really care if it's ethical or not. Is it ethical for women to treat us as subhumans, worthy of nothing but contempt? And by 'us', I don't just mean AS males, I mean Beta and Omega males in general (AS males usually fall into one of these two categories).

We're lower than scum to them. The Untouchables in India aren't seen with as much scorn and disdain by the higher castes as Beta and Omega males in Western society are by women today. So I say screw ethics. Take what you can, whenever you can, however you can, because as far as women, and really society at large, is concerned, you are scum and the sooner they're rid of you, the better. They're not gonna give you anything.

its a curse also though. since if i find them gorgeous they'll too good for me.

do you really not find most women quite beautiful?
they make me smile and blush atleast until I mentally get myself to stop.

even if what some women do is unethical which baised on society isn't considered unethical to judge men based on things or money or looks. I do not and would not lower myself to their level and violate my morals to get sex. i'd rather have love and need emotional connection for sex anyways.

like the alantians in stargate who watched their empire fall rahter then break their honor and morals. I too will .

isn't not listing your job the same as lying about it?

That, my friend, is what I call nonsense. You can go on and on all you want about how "you'll never lower yourself to their level" and "never violate or principles", but the fact of the matter is you just posted a thread asking whether or not it was acceptable to lie to a woman on a dating website. Which means it's something you have at least considered at this point.

Coming on here and beating your chest about your principles and how you refuse to compromise them may well give you a temporary ego-boost, but it won't last long and pretty soon you'll be right back to feeling miserable, sexually frustrated and unloved. It's an attempt to justify yourself, an excuse, nothing more. And even if you actually believe it, and I really doubt you do, it won't make you feel any better.


Principles and ethics are fickle things. They won't give you any fulfilment, they won't warm your bed at night, or gave you the companionship and friendship you crave for. They are meaningless metaphysical concepts, created by the weak and desperate so they can pretend to have something to hold on to when they don't.

Nope, I do too. If that was actually the case, the human race would've died out long ago!!

But when I suggested a 20 yo poster on another thread in this section (an undergrad student, with a crummy part-time job and no car) kept moaning about that the:
- crummy job / no car was what prevented HIM from getting dates somehow, magically didn't stop his male classmates from getting dates despite no car / little money / crummy job (aka status quo for ALL undergrads)
- to go look in the engagements/weddings section of his local paper and count the number of men who weren't "empirically" handsome and had "normal" (eg mechanic, teacher, salesman, construction worker) jobs

The poster + a ton of others on the thread swore up and down that those were "special" jobs, "fancy" jobs.

No, I find most (as in, over 50%) of women "unattractive", ie. I would not have sex with them even if they asked me nicely. Maybe 20-30% are attractive enough to make me think "oh yeah, she's alright" and maybe 2-3% would be "hot" and probably <1% would be "beautiful" in my eyes. And that's a real problem, because even though I'd be OK with someone from those 20-30%, I'm just not motivated enough (on a sub-conscious, emotional level) to go after them.



And, to be fair, in some cases they might actually be right!

On dating sites after talking to people I've been honest and told them that I have AS, sometimes it's been fine and other times they've been judgmental people.

I asked cause it was suggested by friends, family and others to lie on the sites, despite my beleifes, so I asked here where others are like me. most seem to agree with me that it would be bad to lie.

I don't beat on my chest. I say the truth. I don't break the law, I don't lie, I don't cheat. I don't steal etc. I don't have to justify to myself about my morals and ethics.

lying, stealing, cheating, etc won't give you a relationship either. seems most women don't want a cheater, thief, liar or abuser. the women on online sites all seem to agree on they don't want a dishonest bf. so you may get a gf for a while but when they find out you lie and cheat they be gone and complain about you on their dating ad.
suppose you would find what the nazi, and soviets did ok then? they were the strong, while the allies were desperate and weak with their morals and ethics.

you seem to be the one beating his chest.

as for feeling lonely. I never stopped.

"classic it doesn't happen here so hes making it up"

mechanic. pay 13-30 an hour, teacher, 18-24 an hour, construction 11-28ish hour. salesmen, min wage. realtiy is most people in the use work min wage jobs sometimes two of them. so no those you list aren't normal jobs anymore. normal is min wage. good job is the ones you listed, but there isn't enough of the good jobs for all the people living here.

you ausme those around me are all jobless, careless people, that is wrong. not all undergrads have crummy jobs. most of my class mates had good jobs and cars. though most the women list have decent job or be in college(thinking this will lead to decent job, not always true) I have neither a decent job or am in school anymore. I should have no doubt presued women more when I was in college, but I was 1. concentrated on school, two very shy and afraid of women. then i spent a year presuing a girl online that lead to nothing, except a morale boost. at this point I was 25 and started trying to seriously find a gf, that was a year and half ago. I can't go back to college, which would be silly to do just to try to find a gf.

i don't think i'd called them special, just middle class jobs, which most people don't' have. they are firing teachers here, mechanics are paid far less in my state then others, construction is too as there are loads wanting to work but not alot of openings, which means you can pay less knowing theres 10 more ready to take the guys job.

I can only speak for where I live, if where you live is better that is great, but I can't live there.

know what sucks. I like my current job aside from its has sucky hours and is only once every 3 months. i'm not trying to get in security, pays 2 dollars over min wage here, so I can meet the job requirement. though I won't know til messaging them if they consider security a decent job or not, mind you if i can get a job besides just doing gigs for concerts 1 day a month. may end up doing retail and security.

interesting. is that true for women you see on dating sites too?

i'd be ok with fatish women, but even they tend to say they only want a athletic guy. or the decent job, car and own place.

I would prefer a somewhat thin woman, but not boney. as for hot. yes I do find thiner women more hot sexually then obese women. but the in-between can be very sexy hot too.

Oh, it's even worse online. Most people's photos are of poor quality, so I think they tend to look worse in photos than in person. Just out of curiosity, I went and looked at about 25 OKC profiles with photos and there were 4-5 that I thought looked "alright" and only 1 that made me think "oooh, she's pretty cute!" Amazingly, she actually seems like a really nice person from her profile, too... despite being a lawyer. Also, her profile mentions nothing about the man's job or car - just intelligence, open-mindedness and a sense of adventure. Too bad she's on the other side of the world.

It's funny that you keep mentioning this thin/fat thing, like "if only I was attracted to fat women..." Well, I actually am - much more than to thin ones. Hasn't helped me much. (I'm not fat myself, by the way.)

idk the ones in my area are all really good looking, I live next to a university city though. so successful preaty women come from all over the world to attend here. people from here go too.

there are some with photos that look bad but then others photos of them look great, did you look at jut the main photos or others?

I don't mean to say it is everywhere. for example the women's profiles i've read in Canada don't seem to care about those things. the ones where I live do.

i mention it cause I always speek the truth and say everything. I only care if they are fat as they reach the far end of the fat scale, but to say I don't find slimmer women hot would be a lie, If I could pick i'd want a slim, but not thin woman. avagage size, which mean seem to consider to be faat now adays as if you don't show bones through your skin you must be fat.

idk if you've cuddled with a really thin woman, but it hurts, not just me but her too. but with the woman who was average size with maybe a slight belly. it was really nice and neither of us felt pain.

I thought the whole "Love and hating" nickname was light hearted fun. Look man your hatred for women seems to run deep. Alot of women will sense this and it will affect the way you do everything where relationships are concerned. You are living a self fulfilling prophecy there