New member; Aspie and totally okay with it
18 Sep 2014, 7:23 pm
ATRAYA wrote:
Johannes88 wrote:
ATRAYA wrote:
Johannes88 wrote:
I do that too though, is that something we all do? Like certain aspects of people's behavior I can really only comprehend in an academic sense.
It seems to vary from aspie to aspie, though I know I've never felt to be of the same species as NTs. My behaviour is simulated when conducting myself amongst humans, and it usually is derived from mimicry and observation of media (I.e., how characters act in TV, movies, video games, etcetera). Most of it I do not understand though.
For instance, I seem to be able to instigate heavy laughter when making sex jokes in adult gatherings, though I myself am distinctly asexual. If something a human (or NT, whichever you prefer) does makes no logical sense, I struggle with it greatly - and humans are HIGHLY illogical.
I find the nts seem to think more in terms of identity as individuals and associating with a group with a demonstrated set of qualities. They assign qualities, either good or bad to themselves and others and associate based on those qualities. Like, strong, smart, hipster, nice, mean, stupid. And they do illogical things to maintain those identities regardless of whether it benefits them.
I'm making broad sweeping generalizations but people with aspergers seem to not make character inferences. We are more focused on whether that persons is somebody we could use for some purpose and we don't frequently say, is this a good or bad person? I can't really see friendship outside of mutual exploitation, or just a form of entertainment, like a videogame for social people.
Even as a robot, I still enjoy a few friendships, even if it means donning the mask and pretending to be... "normal", which is exhausting. They know this, and are considerate. Sociopaths don't seem to bother NTs as much as I had previously assumed.
But perhaps I just simply like having an audience to crack jokes to. Otherwise I prefer to be alone with my art.
Different from my experiences, one time a teacher just said in class she knows she is introverted so tries to talk even though it's not her nature. That got some people in class to talk about how weird she was. Anyone, besides close close friends who I've told is immediately turned off. As if they can no longer trust me, if I was less normal they'd probably be more okay with it. But they all, you can just see, change their perception as if I just admitted I was previously a woman or something.
We've gotten so into this just be yourself thing that anybody who displays the slightest bit of incongruence is dismissed. It's like nts just can't see it all as a big game.
I can't imagine being asexual, I bet you accomplish a lot of things though. Ever thought about reproduction from a purely continuity standpoint though?
19 Sep 2014, 10:15 am
Johannes88 wrote:
ATRAYA wrote:
Johannes88 wrote:
ATRAYA wrote:
Johannes88 wrote:
I do that too though, is that something we all do? Like certain aspects of people's behavior I can really only comprehend in an academic sense.
It seems to vary from aspie to aspie, though I know I've never felt to be of the same species as NTs. My behaviour is simulated when conducting myself amongst humans, and it usually is derived from mimicry and observation of media (I.e., how characters act in TV, movies, video games, etcetera). Most of it I do not understand though.
For instance, I seem to be able to instigate heavy laughter when making sex jokes in adult gatherings, though I myself am distinctly asexual. If something a human (or NT, whichever you prefer) does makes no logical sense, I struggle with it greatly - and humans are HIGHLY illogical.
I find the nts seem to think more in terms of identity as individuals and associating with a group with a demonstrated set of qualities. They assign qualities, either good or bad to themselves and others and associate based on those qualities. Like, strong, smart, hipster, nice, mean, stupid. And they do illogical things to maintain those identities regardless of whether it benefits them.
I'm making broad sweeping generalizations but people with aspergers seem to not make character inferences. We are more focused on whether that persons is somebody we could use for some purpose and we don't frequently say, is this a good or bad person? I can't really see friendship outside of mutual exploitation, or just a form of entertainment, like a videogame for social people.
Even as a robot, I still enjoy a few friendships, even if it means donning the mask and pretending to be... "normal", which is exhausting. They know this, and are considerate. Sociopaths don't seem to bother NTs as much as I had previously assumed.
But perhaps I just simply like having an audience to crack jokes to. Otherwise I prefer to be alone with my art.
Different from my experiences, one time a teacher just said in class she knows she is introverted so tries to talk even though it's not her nature. That got some people in class to talk about how weird she was. Anyone, besides close close friends who I've told is immediately turned off. As if they can no longer trust me, if I was less normal they'd probably be more okay with it. But they all, you can just see, change their perception as if I just admitted I was previously a woman or something.
We've gotten so into this just be yourself thing that anybody who displays the slightest bit of incongruence is dismissed. It's like nts just can't see it all as a big game.
I concur, the "just be yourself" lark is quite an inconvenience, especially as that is the only advice humans are capable of parroting, upon asking them about how a certain social interaction should require oneself to act.
Johannes88 wrote:
I can't imagine being asexual, I bet you accomplish a lot of things though. Ever thought about reproduction from a purely continuity standpoint though?
The thought of further overpopulating our only planet with another screaming, defecating, and time and resource-consuming human being both confuses and repulses me. Not only that, but as I understand it, human spawn typically needs love, and, as I mentioned previously, I am incapable of bonding.
23 Sep 2014, 11:08 pm
Well, you could just give them to an orphanage.
I hear many sociopaths actually achieve great success.
Morality can be an inconvenience, I was always fascinated by psychopaths and sociopaths. Maybe even a little jealous. They are totally immoral and totally unrepentful. They are free to do whatever they want and don't follow the conventional rules we set up. Educating them just allows them to better understand manipulation.
They actually seem to be the cousins of aspies when you think about it. Both have a problem that we'd consider a problem with other people, not us.
23 Sep 2014, 11:34 pm
Johannes88 wrote:
Well, you could just give them to an orphanage.
I hear many sociopaths actually achieve great success.
Morality can be an inconvenience, I was always fascinated by psychopaths and sociopaths. Maybe even a little jealous. They are totally immoral and totally unrepentful. They are free to do whatever they want and don't follow the conventional rules we set up. Educating them just allows them to better understand manipulation.
They actually seem to be the cousins of aspies when you think about it. Both have a problem that we'd consider a problem with other people, not us.
I hear many sociopaths actually achieve great success.
Morality can be an inconvenience, I was always fascinated by psychopaths and sociopaths. Maybe even a little jealous. They are totally immoral and totally unrepentful. They are free to do whatever they want and don't follow the conventional rules we set up. Educating them just allows them to better understand manipulation.
They actually seem to be the cousins of aspies when you think about it. Both have a problem that we'd consider a problem with other people, not us.
We're not completely immoral or unrepentant. It's true we often don't understand many morals, but I myself am quite secure in the general mores of "good" and "evil". Case in point, I purposefully restrict myself from manipulating others, even embargoing lies. I'm very fluent in such things, but I rarely find them to be absolutely necessary, and thus I force myself to be honest all the time - this has been known to upset humans, but I doubt they would prefer the alternative.
Sociopaths like myself have no criminal or murderous intent, as opposed to our psychopathic counterparts, thus allowing much more room for morality. Psychopaths often have an addiction with crime, outbursts, and general antisocial behavior, but even they are not totally immoral, and even they can regret their actions.
I find Dexter to be a good character example of a psychopath, if you've seen Showtime's drama of the same name. He lacks empathy, as all socio/psychopaths do, yet still he wishes he could repent and change his urges, even if he believes he is incapable of doing so. At one point, he accidentally killed an innocent person, and felt that was immoral. Dexter was not 100% accurate, but still a crude portrayal of a psychopath nonetheless.
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