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pawelk1986
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17 Sep 2014, 12:00 pm

I am a Pole
When I finished 18 years I have been called to military medical commissions, it is mandatory for all Polish men.
A lot of guys have tried to avoid the issue, but I wanted to join the army, but was described as "unfit for service" due to being overweight, and a few other things.

I would like to ask you whether you would like to risk your health and even die for your country?


"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" :D ?

Not know about you but I love my country, I am fearful, but when I had to, I would defend Polish territory with all my strength.

Many Poles admired the British and Americans for patriotism towards their country.

I, for example, I had read inAmerican one forum , as a young American wrote that he does not intend to defend the United States since it is by law an adult, and can not buy alcohol, that is so much for American patriotism :D



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17 Sep 2014, 12:40 pm

Conscription is just politically-correct slavery for the 21st century. I would never give my life for the government's benefit. A professional, voluntary army will always have higher motivation and morale than one driven by the lash.



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17 Sep 2014, 1:02 pm

I agree. Going to war is just doing the bidding of N.Romney and his fellow millionaire/billionaires. They are the ones that own everything and control the politicians that
send our youth to war to kill other youths. And it's the same rich old white men who wave flags in the youths faces to get them to join, that turn their backs on them when they return crippled and broken.

The politicians (Polish ones too I'd imagine) use the blood of our children to lubricate the wheels and cogs of their industry.

We are not machines to be used and discarded.



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17 Sep 2014, 1:07 pm

drh1138 wrote:
Conscription is just politically-correct slavery for the 21st century. I would never give my life for the government's benefit. A professional, voluntary army will always have higher motivation and morale than one driven by the lash.



Since 2010, the Polish army is fully professional, consumption been a abolished, alebeit young mans still have apear before military medical commission, to check their medical fitness, these who are fit, can be called if Poland was attacked.

While some politicians say it was a mistake that the Polish Army has staff shortages.



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17 Sep 2014, 1:15 pm

ZenDen wrote:
I agree. Going to war is just doing the bidding of N.Romney and his fellow millionaire/billionaires. They are the ones that own everything and control the politicians that
send our youth to war to kill other youths. And it's the same rich old white men who wave flags in the youths faces to get them to join, that turn their backs on them when they return crippled and broken.

The politicians (Polish ones too I'd imagine) use the blood of our children to lubricate the wheels and cogs of their industry.

We are not machines to be used and discarded.



I was medically rejected, i think it's because my Asperger :(

In Poland we have 4 medical category

A - Fit for army
B - temporary unfit eg B12 or B24 to be re evaluated in next 12 24 month
D- unfit to military service during pace time, can be called on general mobilization in wartime.
E- Permanently and totally unfit for military service, in time of war and peace

I got E :(



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17 Sep 2014, 3:46 pm

Served 8 years.

Don't regret it a bit.


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17 Sep 2014, 5:16 pm

Not for my country, but for fun, sure.

I was deemed medically unfit to join though (Asperger's).



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17 Sep 2014, 5:25 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Not for my country, but for fun, sure.

I was deemed medically unfit to join though (Asperger's).


You can be solider for Légion étrangère they accept anybody :)



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17 Sep 2014, 5:33 pm

I think that modern warfare is so different from the past, that national service and conscription can be replaced by recruitment in most countries.

I also think is it decision that need to be made by each individual.

US for example, is in a position where obviously there have a huge respect for Vietnam veterans and rightly so, but very little is talk about if it was a political fruitful conflict, and what exactly was the point. It is just politically inconvenient.

Iraq is talked about, but far more people didn't come back from Vietnam, more than ten times in fact.



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17 Sep 2014, 7:22 pm

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What do you think about military service

It's not for everyone.
I can only speak for the US military and in my opinion it's a usually good gig, all things considered.


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17 Sep 2014, 8:30 pm

I tried to and wanted to, but can't cause aspergers, though it is possible to fight and get a doctor to sign off saying it wouldn't effect me. but meh. too late now.

pleanty of aspies serve though. if we were attacked i'd join, i'td have to be so bad as they take anyone they can get though.



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19 Sep 2014, 12:27 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
I agree. Going to war is just doing the bidding of N.Romney and his fellow millionaire/billionaires. They are the ones that own everything and control the politicians that
send our youth to war to kill other youths. And it's the same rich old white men who wave flags in the youths faces to get them to join, that turn their backs on them when they return crippled and broken.

The politicians (Polish ones too I'd imagine) use the blood of our children to lubricate the wheels and cogs of their industry.

We are not machines to be used and discarded.



I was medically rejected, i think it's because my Asperger :(

In Poland we have 4 medical category

A - Fit for army
B - temporary unfit eg B12 or B24 to be re evaluated in next 12 24 month
D- unfit to military service during pace time, can be called on general mobilization in wartime.
E- Permanently and totally unfit for military service, in time of war and peace

I got E :(


Sorry to see you so sad. :(

I was given a classification of 4F (E=4F) if it makes you feel better.

If I'd gone in it would have been at the beginning of the Vietnam war. I doubt I'd have made it home.

And you're still alive....that's something to be happy about. :D



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19 Sep 2014, 12:36 pm

I tried joining, but got kicked out quick for not disclosing my Asperger's and history of psychosis, poor social skills, problems with attention, and other issues.


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20 Sep 2014, 6:05 am

Other than the war and killing for nothing that has to do with defending ones country, I think military service is a good thing. I think at least 2 years of military service should be mandatory, specifically in the US. The good of instilling structure and discipline outweighs most of the bad. Also, for many who serve, it is the first opportunity to meet and socialize with those of different races, religions and ethnic backgrounds. You learn to get along with people who are different. Everyone should have to experience "boot camp." I do not think there should be exemptions or deferments for anyone based on anything other than severe physical or mental issues. You learn to conquer adversity and understand and accept diversity.



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20 Sep 2014, 6:47 am

I'm quite surprised by the number of posters on WP who have military experience or aspire for it. Is a desire to work in the military more common amongst autistic people or is it just my mental biases?

For me it sounds like total anathema.

khaoz wrote:
Other than the war and killing for nothing that has to do with defending ones country, I think military service is a good thing. I think at least 2 years of military service should be mandatory, specifically in the US. The good of instilling structure and discipline outweighs most of the bad. Also, for many who serve, it is the first opportunity to meet and socialize with those of different races, religions and ethnic backgrounds. You learn to get along with people who are different. Everyone should have to experience "boot camp." I do not think there should be exemptions or deferments for anyone based on anything other than severe physical or mental issues. You learn to conquer adversity and understand and accept diversity.

Do you come from a part of the USA where schools don't exist?



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20 Sep 2014, 6:58 am

/\ Walrus, yes, it's perplexing, isn't it. It's almost as if.... (edited for reason of paranoia)

I could easily be convinced to join the security crew on the Enterprise D. Although, my first choice would be something in medical.