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Yes, where it is not legal. Problematic for you?

Gay marriage being allowed, and socially accepted, might cause more adoption of children and less concieving of kids- thus slowing the growth of population (persumably Gay couples would want kids as much as conventional couples, but wouldnt concieve kids the old fashioned way so they would adopt rather than go through the hassle/expense of en vitro- and big brother could ffurther discourge them from doing en vitro as well).

Gays are like five percent of the population- ten at most- so it would be just a dent, but it would be a dent- in population growth.

I'm not following, why would gays getting married and adopting children result in slower population growth? I support gay marriage and all that but I don't follow the logic.

Keep in mind that we're below replacement level in every western country, we need more people getting married and having families together. Allowing gay marriage and adoption I think would be beneficial to that means rather than slowing population growth.

As countries become more developed their fertility rates will fall, we've seen this all over the world already. So as Africa develops they will start having fewer children, Africa is very rich in natural resources and could support its population easily if these resources are utilized correctly. China, India, South Korea were among the poorest countries in the world in 1960, look where they are now. Things can and will change.

Traditionally gay people who wanted kids would have traditional hetero style marriages to members of the opposite sex and would have kids the old fashioned way- by concieving them.

If same sex marriage became socially acceptable then gays would marry their own gender and own sexual orientation- and would tend to adopt kids who were already concieved instead concieving their own (buy used cars instead of new ones)-thus reducing the number of kids concieved in society over all.


Capice?

I wasnt making a judgement about the ends of reducing births. Just saying that if thats your goal than gay marriage might be a means to achieving the end.

If you're asking me what I think of that as an end- reducing birth rates- then thats another subject.

i dont totally disagree with you that too few births in some countires is a more immediate threat than too many.

But if you're worried about too few births then- even if Im right about same sex marriage- it wouldnt dent the birth rate further by very much. So dont worry about SSM.

But like I said at the top of the thread birth rates are dropping. Even in many countries that are still poor have reduced their birth rate. So things are trending in the right direction anyway. So in a general way I agree with you.

So basically you are saying that there is a significant number of closeted gay people that are having kids in straight relationships that wouldn't otherwise, I dunno I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think gays should be encouraged to get married and have families, I think there are many that are denied this right and that allowing gay marriage would be best thing to promote the family to those that wouldn't otherwise.

It's not problematic it just confuses me because I don't see how legalizing gay marriage would reduce population growth.

Well...look at it the other way around.
What if you were gay, and wanted to have kids?

And what if you were of my parent's generation, and if it was the 1960's?

How would you achieve having children?

You're only option would be to marry a spouse of the opposite sex and sire children the natural way, and pretend to be straight.

Same sex marriage didn't exist.


Single folks were discouraged from adopting. Gays didnt come out of the closet, and if they did they were also discouraged from adopting. So being a single AND gay and adopting would be socially, if not also legally, forbidden.

But today you can just live openly as gay and marry the same sex. But if you do that then you have the opposite dilemma: you can't impregnate (or get impregnated by) your spouse-so you would have to adopt. So there must have been many gays siring kids in past decades who today would be adopting. I mean its not my axe to grind, but it just seems that way to me.

Don't believe in any deities.
Forced population control. One child policy everywhere. Enforce it! We are billions too many.

I wouldn't want anyone from your list, they would hurt the natural world too.