17 Oct 2014, 1:28 am
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27 Oct 2014, 5:46 am
MarcusSolaris wrote:
ISIS has already won. They will take your government without a shot being fired.
Why have so many social commentators been busy drawing extrapolations from birth rates amongst different ethnic groups in America in the last few years? What is the latest estimate for the US to be predominately Hispanic?
ISIS has won because it places strong emphasis on family and religious integrity. Their numbers grow greatly on the wave of greater Islam, which itself is the worlds' fastest growing religion.
The end.
Why have so many social commentators been busy drawing extrapolations from birth rates amongst different ethnic groups in America in the last few years? What is the latest estimate for the US to be predominately Hispanic?
ISIS has won because it places strong emphasis on family and religious integrity. Their numbers grow greatly on the wave of greater Islam, which itself is the worlds' fastest growing religion.
The end.
ISIS≠Islam≠Hispanic people. ISIS is highly unpopular amongst Muslims, and their "emphasis on family" is balanced by their emphasis on massacres. Even al-Nusra have condemned them.
Hispanics tend to be Catholic. There are more black and white Muslims in the US than Hispanic ones. However, most Muslims in the US are Asian (either Middle Eastern or Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi).
Furthermore, I suggest you have a bit of a look at the trend in the number of religious people in the USA.
That's only going to keep rising. Even among those who still identify as religious, attendance at places of worship is declining. In short, there's no chance of demographic changes causing America to naturally become sympathetic towards the aims of ISIS.
27 Oct 2014, 6:02 am
27 Oct 2014, 6:09 am
The_Walrus wrote:
MarcusSolaris wrote:
ISIS has already won. They will take your government without a shot being fired.
Why have so many social commentators been busy drawing extrapolations from birth rates amongst different ethnic groups in America in the last few years? What is the latest estimate for the US to be predominately Hispanic?
ISIS has won because it places strong emphasis on family and religious integrity. Their numbers grow greatly on the wave of greater Islam, which itself is the worlds' fastest growing religion.
The end.
Why have so many social commentators been busy drawing extrapolations from birth rates amongst different ethnic groups in America in the last few years? What is the latest estimate for the US to be predominately Hispanic?
ISIS has won because it places strong emphasis on family and religious integrity. Their numbers grow greatly on the wave of greater Islam, which itself is the worlds' fastest growing religion.
The end.
ISIS≠Islam≠Hispanic people. ISIS is highly unpopular amongst Muslims, and their "emphasis on family" is balanced by their emphasis on massacres. Even al-Nusra have condemned them.
Hispanics tend to be Catholic. There are more black and white Muslims in the US than Hispanic ones. However, most Muslims in the US are Asian (either Middle Eastern or Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi).
Furthermore, I suggest you have a bit of a look at the trend in the number of religious people in the USA.
That's only going to keep rising. Even among those who still identify as religious, attendance at places of worship is declining. In short, there's no chance of demographic changes causing America to naturally become sympathetic towards the aims of ISIS.
Sorry mate, I must not of been very clear. ISIS is obviously popular with muslims, since all of their members are muslim. Kind of make sense? Are they defeated? Nope. Do their numbers increase? Yep. I can trust you to fill in the rest? Of course not :/
In the EU most projections indicate a muslim majority in a matter of decades. The US is projected to have a Hispanic majority within decades. Both of these scenarios result in a white pseudo-christian or non-muslim minority, of which only a proportion of those will be private gun holders. The OP's fantasy of a redneck defense is not realistic.
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27 Oct 2014, 8:30 am
27 Oct 2014, 8:36 am
MarcusSolaris wrote:
Sorry mate, I must not of been very clear. ISIS is obviously popular with muslims, since all of their members are muslim. Kind of make sense?
No, that doesn't make sense
The North American Man-Boy Love association is therefore popular with North Americans. Both NAMBLA and ISIS are hugely unpopular
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In the EU most projections indicate a muslim majority in a matter of decades.
Source?
The best projections I could find came from Pew: http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/futu ... al-europe/
That shows that the percentage of Europeans (excluding residents of Turkey) who are Muslim is increasing by one every 10 years. It was 6% in 2010. If that trend continues, it will be 50% by... 2450. Looking back four hundred years, most modern countries didn't exist. It's safe to say that is a long way away.
But wait! I hear you cry. What if the rate of increase also increases? A valid concern. I would gently remind you of the DTM and suggest Muslims will have fewer children as they integrate into European societies. The Pew numbers above corroborate this - the growth of the Muslim population is slowing more quickly than the non-Muslim population is declining. This is partly due to decreased fertility and also due to decreased migration. Again, if that trend continues (I would suggest this is less likely) then the Muslim population will be flat by 2070.
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The US is projected to have a Hispanic majority within decades. Both of these scenarios result in a white pseudo-christian or non-muslim minority, of which only a proportion of those will be private gun holders. The OP's fantasy of a redneck defense is not realistic.
Again, you are pre-supposing that every Hispanic person and every Muslim is somehow an ally of ISIS. This is obviously not true.
Again, I would remind you that most Hispanic people are not Muslim, and most Muslims are actively opposed to ISIS.
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27 Oct 2014, 2:33 pm
27 Oct 2014, 4:58 pm
sonofghandi wrote:
Nobody gave a crap about ISIS until they beheaded 2 Americans. Now all of a sudden they are magically the biggest threat to America (right up there next to ebola).
This may help put things a little more into perspective on what deserves a little bit more of your attention:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/isil-vs-mexican-drugcartelsunitedstatesislamophobia.html
This may help put things a little more into perspective on what deserves a little bit more of your attention:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/isil-vs-mexican-drugcartelsunitedstatesislamophobia.html
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A recent United Nations report estimated nearly 9,000 civilians have been killed and 17,386 wounded in Iraq in 2014, more than half since ISIL fighters seized large parts on northern Iraq in June. It is likely that the group is responsible another several thousand deaths in Syria. To be sure, these numbers are staggering. But in 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 ? a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.
Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims ? displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes.
Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims ? displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes.
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While the Islamic militants have killed a handful of journalists, the cartels murdered as many as 57 since 2006 for reporting on cartel crimes or exposing government complicity with the criminals. Many of Mexico?s media have been effectively silenced by intimidation or bribes. These censorship activities extend beyond professional media, with narcos tracking down and murdering ordinary citizens who criticize them on the Internet, leaving their naked and disemboweled corpses hanging in public squares. Yet American intellectuals such as Sam Harris appear to be more outraged when Muslims protest or issue threats in response to blasphemous or anti-Muslim hate speech than when cartels murder dozens of journalists and systematically co-opt an entire country?s media.
That stuff about Mexico is shocking
I think you're being a little unfair with your opening remark though, ISIS attracted a lot of attention when they were "just" committing sectarian genocide. Maybe less so in America but they were front page news here.
27 Oct 2014, 7:34 pm
27 Oct 2014, 7:41 pm
MarcusSolaris wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
MarcusSolaris wrote:
ISIS has already won. They will take your government without a shot being fired.
Why have so many social commentators been busy drawing extrapolations from birth rates amongst different ethnic groups in America in the last few years? What is the latest estimate for the US to be predominately Hispanic?
ISIS has won because it places strong emphasis on family and religious integrity. Their numbers grow greatly on the wave of greater Islam, which itself is the worlds' fastest growing religion.
The end.
Why have so many social commentators been busy drawing extrapolations from birth rates amongst different ethnic groups in America in the last few years? What is the latest estimate for the US to be predominately Hispanic?
ISIS has won because it places strong emphasis on family and religious integrity. Their numbers grow greatly on the wave of greater Islam, which itself is the worlds' fastest growing religion.
The end.
ISIS≠Islam≠Hispanic people. ISIS is highly unpopular amongst Muslims, and their "emphasis on family" is balanced by their emphasis on massacres. Even al-Nusra have condemned them.
Hispanics tend to be Catholic. There are more black and white Muslims in the US than Hispanic ones. However, most Muslims in the US are Asian (either Middle Eastern or Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi).
Furthermore, I suggest you have a bit of a look at the trend in the number of religious people in the USA.
That's only going to keep rising. Even among those who still identify as religious, attendance at places of worship is declining. In short, there's no chance of demographic changes causing America to naturally become sympathetic towards the aims of ISIS.
Sorry mate, I must not of been very clear. ISIS is obviously popular with muslims, since all of their members are muslim. Kind of make sense? Are they defeated? Nope. Do their numbers increase? Yep. I can trust you to fill in the rest? Of course not :/
In the EU most projections indicate a muslim majority in a matter of decades. The US is projected to have a Hispanic majority within decades. Both of these scenarios result in a white pseudo-christian or non-muslim minority, of which only a proportion of those will be private gun holders. The OP's fantasy of a redneck defense is not realistic.
If there is anything that will turn a bunch of non gun owners into a bunch of gun fanatics, it is being threatened by a bunch of ISIS cowards promising oppression. IN America ISIS will not have the advantage of using stolen military hardware against innocent civilians
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