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10 Oct 2014, 12:06 pm

The takers (wall street,banks etc) should pay their share. The makers (the 47%) should stop being ripped off. Obama at least is starting us on the right direction. We should go back to the work ethic and away from the gambling ethic (wall street etc).
Unfortunately, Obama has not gone far enough to the left and put the criminals (wall street, banks etc) that caused our economic disaster in prison. The economic collapse was due to the deregulation of banks and wall street.


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10 Oct 2014, 8:48 pm

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The "assault weapons" you're referring to are in common use for lawful purposes.

Ipso facto the Supreme Court has ruled that these weapons are constitutionally protected, and eventually the states with bans on them are going to hit that legal brick wall; it may just take a while for the ideal case to present itself and work its way through the court system, as was the case with Heller and McDonald.


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I disagree. I don't think military style assault weapons with high capacity magazines are constitutionally protected.

Why, because they didnt exist when the constitution was ratified?

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Even if commonly owned, they are not in common use for defense (according to police reports), they are not designed for hunting, and they can be banned.

What, are you an SME on defensive firearms and tactics?
The constitution wasn't written with hunting in mind.

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But we will see. In any case, this is not an issue that will be popular for Democrats, so I don't think they will address it,

It's not a popular topic to touch at the time and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

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at least until another massacre happens next week.

Is that what you're hoping for?

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The current insane mood of conservatives surrounding the president is mostly nonsense. Distortion and hyperbole is what they use when they don't have real issues. It's all socialism and impeachment hysteria, and I think a large part racism. That being said, there are many liberal objections to Obama surrounding issues of privacy, drug enforcement, financial industry reform, legalized corruption, and war. Perhaps if conservatives stuck to these issues we could find some common ground. But they can't because they are worse on all counts.

Yeah, like there wasn't continuous outcry from the left during the Bush administration.
"The Bush Administration is just like the Third Reich!"
"The Bush Administration is comparable to the Sith!"
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10 Oct 2014, 10:36 pm

As a Democrat, the way I am able to comprehend the hatred for Obama is to remember what is like during the Bush administration. The Left would pounce upon every verbal mistake and policy failure of Bush.
Neither Bush or Obama will be rated in anyone's top ten presidents, but the blood frenzy of Republicans for Obama reminds me very much of the Democratic hate-mongering against Bush.



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14 Oct 2014, 1:32 am

staremaster wrote:
As a Democrat, the way I am able to comprehend the hatred for Obama is to remember what is like during the Bush administration. The Left would pounce upon every verbal mistake and policy failure of Bush. Neither Bush or Obama will be rated in anyone's top ten presidents, but the blood frenzy of Republicans for Obama reminds me very much of the Democratic hate-mongering against Bush.

Same same but different.

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14 Oct 2014, 1:51 am

As a former republican now democrat I can say this we need another democrat president and Obama isn't doing that goof of a job for the democratic party he does not seem much different than that of Bush! I sure hope Hillary becomes the next president! The Clintons were the best Democratic presidents since JFK!


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14 Oct 2014, 9:20 am

I agree! He is like Bush! Obama continued the unconstitutional "patriot " act that says we no longer have a right to a trial, he did not prosecute wall street criminals and even bailed them out with our money... My problem with Obama is that he is Bush lite. He is too far RIGHT!


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14 Oct 2014, 9:54 am

Bush was far worse than Obama,
http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/
Obama saved the economy after Bush and his deregulation destroyed it.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/08/ ... ent-obama/
Yes, the numbers are not perfect but reflect continued growth. Remember , we were/are coming out of a depression. Also remember that the great depression took over a decade to get out of. We are at only 6 years!
However, Obama did continue with the patriot act and special treatment for the wall street criminals and banks.


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14 Oct 2014, 1:59 pm

staremaster wrote:
Neither Bush or Obama will be rated in anyone's top ten presidents


QFT!


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14 Oct 2014, 2:56 pm

if you guys think Hillary Clinton will not be a great president. your all f****d in the head. otherwise just pretend the world never had a chance to have a good justice run. :!:


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14 Oct 2014, 3:11 pm

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if you guys think Hillary Clinton will not be a great president. your all f****d in the head. otherwise just pretend the world never had a chance to have a good justice run. :!:
I would vote for her over any Republican, but I don't think she would be great in any sense.



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14 Oct 2014, 10:22 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
Bush was far worse than Obama,
http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/
Obama saved the economy after Bush and his deregulation destroyed it.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/08/ ... ent-obama/
Yes, the numbers are not perfect but reflect continued growth. Remember , we were/are coming out of a depression. Also remember that the great depression took over a decade to get out of. We are at only 6 years!
However, Obama did continue with the patriot act and special treatment for the wall street criminals and banks.


You say that Bush caused the recession, I disagree, Woodrow Wilson is the cause of of both the Great Depression and this recession. He signed one of the most misguided progressive policies, the Federal Reserve act. The Federal Reserve(fed) has allowed government to have too much control of the economy which every time there is a boom they fail to slow economic growth as to stop a crash and subsequent bust. It has also contributed to monster inflation. Nixon has also greatly contributed by completely untying the US Dollar to gold, a constant. The effects of Nixon's law contributed to the Dollar loosing half of its value between 1970 and 1980.
I do however agree with you on the fact of the Patriot act and the Prism program.

I don't like either party but I believe the better of the two is the GOP. I favor the tea party or the US Taxpayers party more and am at most conservative of the conservatives. A strong believer in lasse-fare.
The presidents I believe we're the best were John Tyler and Chester A. Arthur, they did what was best for the country not what their respective parties wanted. Another contender would be Warren G. Harding, he did his best as he could do. The scandles associated with him he didn't even know of.



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16 Oct 2014, 10:31 am

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He signed one of the most misguided progressive policies, the Federal Reserve act. The Federal Reserve(fed) has allowed government to have too much control of the economy ...

The Federal Reserve is federal in name only. The government has minimal control over it. *The fed's agenda is not progressive, it is for international banks and corporations.
* Obama kept the corporate puppets on the board. (even if Obama had facilitated the appointment of progressives on the fed,their influence would still be minimal ) I voted for Obama twice. Not because he is great but because Republicans want to hand over our sovereignty to international banks and corporations.Obama was the lesser of two evils. I always laugh when people accuse Obama of being to far left. He is a close friend of the international banks and Wall Street. He is hardly a Socialist.


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16 Oct 2014, 7:07 pm

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He signed one of the most misguided progressive policies, the Federal Reserve act. The Federal Reserve(fed) has allowed government to have too much control of the economy ...

The Federal Reserve is federal in name only. The government has minimal control over it. *The fed's agenda is not progressive, it is for international banks and corporations.
* Obama kept the corporate puppets on the board. (even if Obama had facilitated the appointment of progressives on the fed,their influence would still be minimal ) I voted for Obama twice. Not because he is great but because Republicans want to hand over our sovereignty to international banks and corporations.Obama was the lesser of two evils. I always laugh when people accuse Obama of being to far left. He is a close friend of the international banks and Wall Street. He is hardly a Socialist.


I meant Progressive as in the progressive era. Also the government has been pulling strings on their federal reserve leaders for years, just look at their actions before the Great Depression and before the current one. Most economic problems in the US.



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17 Oct 2014, 1:21 am

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It just occurred to me, is a belt of ammunition considered a "detachable feeding device" under the laws of states with "assault weapons" bans? Hmm, I should look into that, see how hard it would be to remove the mag well from an AR and beef up the gas system to incorporate a belt lifter...


there's a belt fed ar upper already made.



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18 Oct 2014, 2:14 pm

I like Obama. He has gotten a lot done and has accomplished a monumental feet in passing healthcare legislation, let's remember nobody thought healthcare reform would ever happen. Well, Da man did it. His presidency is a total success in my opinion


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22 Oct 2014, 3:02 pm

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I like Obama. He has gotten a lot done and has accomplished a monumental feet in passing healthcare legislation, let's remember nobody thought healthcare reform would ever happen. Well, Da man did it. His presidency is a total success in my opinion


meh.

While I think it is a vast improvement, it would have been here regardless of who had won. It may have had a slightly different name, but the structure would have been essentially the same. The only real difference would be that the Democrats would be predicting the end of times as brought about by the greedy corporate insurance cartels.

For funsies, you should Google some of the things the Republicans were demanding in terms of healthcare reform prior to Obama. I find it amusing that Bill O'Reilly used to advocate for every single aspect of the ACA right up to a few months before the 2008 election while Democrats were blasting him for it at the same time.


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