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20 Oct 2014, 7:54 pm

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I'm just waiting for some conservative to accuse the lot of us of class envy.

I envy conservatives. I wish my penis was as small as theirs. I hate hurting my wife! :D


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20 Oct 2014, 8:35 pm

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I'm just waiting for some conservative to accuse the lot of us of class envy.

I envy conservatives. I wish my penis was as small as theirs. I hate hurting my wife! :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ! !! !! !


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21 Oct 2014, 1:33 am

Rich douche bags have insecurity issues!Nothing else to explain I had a rich douche bag try to race his BMW against my 1000 dollar police interceptor and he lost,it was funny, so much for a 40,000 driving machine!


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21 Oct 2014, 1:39 am

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Rich douche bags have insecurity issues!Nothing else to explain I had a rich douche bag try to race his BMW against my 1000 dollar police interceptor and he lost,it was funny, so much for a 40,000 driving machine!


In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz: "HA-HA!"


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21 Oct 2014, 7:44 am

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Rich people are great.

"The U.S. government has been issuing a growing number of so-called EB-5 visas, which grant residency to immigrants who invest at least half a million dollars in the U.S. and create or save no less than 10 jobs".
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/busin ... are-500000

"Citizenship for sale"
"To qualify for the visa, they must invest at least $1 million in a new or recently created business, or $500,000 for businesses in rural or high-unemployment areas."
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/ec ... nvestment/


Then we need more immigrants to come here and start businesses because the rich people here who have already made their fortunes off the backs of Americans are not willing to use their government incentives to create jobs for Americans. They would rather pocket the majority of the incentive and create jobs for workers on other shores than to stimulate American economy.



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21 Oct 2014, 5:17 pm

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I am confused zero =true,
Are you saying that regulations are a bad thing? That there should be no liabilty laws. You seem to be saying that. However, you also seem to be saying that such regulations are good. 8O


No I'm saying that company law is a construct. Including limited liability status. You don't need more protectionism, you simply need to get rid of the limited liability, So companies and individuals have more liability. This is why companies are powerful, so putting in over regulation after the fact isn't going to help, it can actually play in their favour, by making the barriers to entry harder for competition.

You are only seeing regulation, rather than a whole lot of other law which defines how business is done.

You are also in danger of singling out particular companies labeling them bad, and ignoring others who are no better.

If you want more competition, you can do worse than removing artificial protections afforded to companies of scale.

The other negative, is it creates this connection with party politics and these companies, which is exploitable. it has been done before, there was tycoons then and now. Collusion is the name of the game.



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21 Oct 2014, 5:18 pm

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Reduced liability is a good thing? So, my kid dies because the cow he ate was not inspected responsibly, I should not be allowed to sue ?! So deregulation (no inspections) is a good thing?
So an international corporation that disects conscious cows because killing them with a stun gun will impede profits by slowing down the process are doing nothing wrong?!


Reduced liability protection, please read carefully. It means the opposite.



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21 Oct 2014, 5:22 pm

The regulations you talk about are after the fact, they don't deal with why these companies have been able to avoid competition in the first place.



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21 Oct 2014, 5:27 pm

khaoz wrote:
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Rich people are great.

"The U.S. government has been issuing a growing number of so-called EB-5 visas, which grant residency to immigrants who invest at least half a million dollars in the U.S. and create or save no less than 10 jobs".
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/busin ... are-500000

"Citizenship for sale"
"To qualify for the visa, they must invest at least $1 million in a new or recently created business, or $500,000 for businesses in rural or high-unemployment areas."
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/ec ... nvestment/


Then we need more immigrants to come here and start businesses because the rich people here who have already made their fortunes off the backs of Americans are not willing to use their government incentives to create jobs for Americans. They would rather pocket the majority of the incentive and create jobs for workers on other shores than to stimulate American economy.


Labor is too expensive in the United States.



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21 Oct 2014, 5:52 pm

Labor is too expensive? Trickle down economics did not work. Nothing trickeld down. Wages are stagnant while the rich keep getting richer. In other words those that bet on our productivity keep getting richer and those that create value have seen no benefits.


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21 Oct 2014, 6:01 pm

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The regulations you talk about are after the fact, they don't deal with why these companies have been able to avoid competition in the first place.

I am still confused about your position. OK, more liability and less rules. If no law (regulation) exists what law has been violated? Suing someone when they have not broken any laws (regulations ) will not even go to trial.
For example, if there are no regulations for meat safety (such as you can produce meat with 5% rat feces but no more) how can you sue when there is 6% or 20% or even 80%?!


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21 Oct 2014, 6:07 pm

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Labor is too expensive? Trickle down economics did not work. Nothing trickeld down. Wages are stagnant while the rich keep getting richer. In other words those that bet on our productivity keep getting richer and those that create value have seen no benefits.


That's the conservative excuse for starvation wages.


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21 Oct 2014, 6:13 pm

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wittgenstein wrote:
Labor is too expensive? Trickle down economics did not work. Nothing trickeld down. Wages are stagnant while the rich keep getting richer. In other words those that bet on our productivity keep getting richer and those that create value have seen no benefits.


That's the conservative excuse for starvation wages.

A conservative would argue against trickle down theory?
Or are you saying that they are social darwinists and believe that those that bet on our productivity (wall street etc) deserve their winnings and we the workers (that create value) are subhuman and deserve starvation wages?
I must be losing it! I have been getting confused a lot lately! :D


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21 Oct 2014, 6:18 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
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Labor is too expensive? Trickle down economics did not work. Nothing trickeld down. Wages are stagnant while the rich keep getting richer. In other words those that bet on our productivity keep getting richer and those that create value have seen no benefits.


That's the conservative excuse for starvation wages.

A conservative would argue against trickle down theory?
Or are you saying that they are social darwinists and believe that those that bet on our productivity (wall street etc) deserve their winnings and we the workers (that create value) are subhuman and deserve starvation wages?
I must be losing it! I have been getting confused a lot lately! :D


I'm actually in agreement with you. If I wasn't clear about that, I apologize.


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21 Oct 2014, 6:30 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
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The regulations you talk about are after the fact, they don't deal with why these companies have been able to avoid competition in the first place.

I am still confused about your position. OK, more liability and less rules. If no law (regulation) exists what law has been violated? Suing someone when they have not broken any laws (regulations ) will not even go to trial.
For example, if there are no regulations for meat safety (such as you can produce meat with 5% rat feces but no more) how can you sue when there is 6% or 20% or even 80%?!


I never said there wouldn't be regulation, especially public health regulation. I'm talking about poorly though out regulation aimed at targeting specific business on the basis that those business are bad, rather than well though out laws, promoting an evirment of competition in the market place.

Public health violations should be a criminal matter not civil, there needs to be individual culpability to.

I was also criticizing the idea that regulation alone will bring competition. There is far more to competition that just price, and price, interference is actually not going to help competition.

Some market are so regulated basically all business is done through government say so. That is not competition, that is business vying for government contracts.



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21 Oct 2014, 6:32 pm

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Labor is too expensive? Trickle down economics did not work. Nothing trickeld down. Wages are stagnant while the rich keep getting richer. In other words those that bet on our productivity keep getting richer and those that create value have seen no benefits.


Americans/Westerners are terribly unproductive so their wages should stagnate. China and India are able to produce goods tremendously cheaper. Wages in China are$2-$3/hr with few benefits. Their wages are rising, their standard of living is rising, because they are the ones creating wealth.