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11 Oct 2014, 2:49 pm

Hello,

Anybody benefiting from consultants; who are part-life-coaches, part financial advisors (an awesome ?wingman of sorts?)?

Such professional services assist Asperger (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike with such issues as occupational concerns, credit agendas, housing/rental issues, just to name a few of the sometimes complex everyday concerns.

The technology-orientated regions, such as the SF-Bay Area are home to many (AS) adults who?ve become reasonably acclimated to largely neurotypical environments; hence decisions on professional services would largely stem from neurotypical perspectives.

Yet it is both surprising, and disappointing that locating such important professional services proves to be an unnecessarily time-consuming, and frustrating process.

It seems the only way to boost awareness of such professional services is to post comments on online listings of services such as AngiesList.com, Yelp.com; that is favorable comments on specific professional services based on how friendly, and trustworthy services are to both (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike!

For anybody who lives in proximity to, or have opportunities to visit technology-orientated regions e.g., the SF-Bay Area, Seattle, Boston, these regions are likely ?ahead of the curve? regarding the need for professional services that can best serve Asperger clientele.

Any specific recommendations for professional services?

Thank-you



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13 Oct 2014, 2:29 pm

Hello,

As of this post, this discussion-thread has received 237 views in two-days; an above-average number of views. Yet, why no responses to such a heavily read thread?

It seems that there is wide interest in the need for "awesome professional services" - hence why this discussion received so many views.

I'm left to infer (to guess) what the sentiments are regarding the need for (and actual experiences) of professional services that are both trustworthy, and friendly to Asperger(AS), and Neurotypical (NT) clientele alike!

I can only guess (from the common sentiments on Wrong-Planet) that doubt, and cynicism have become a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts; hence many people with Aspergers become discouraged (by negative sentiments) from otherwise advocating, and collectively demonstrating the need for professional services!

From the purpose of the original post, here is an opportunity to let positive sentiments, and collective actions become that "self-fulfilling prophecy."

In short please reread, and reconsider the original post. For starters, living in (or periodic opportunities to visit) a technology-orientated region (home to many adults with Aspergers), can mean "that six-degrees of separation" from Asperger adults fairly accustomed to neurotypical (NT) perspectives; and hence (NT) perspectives on the necessities of professional service advisors.

The one surprising example that was not helpful are programs designed to help adults with Aspergers obtain TECH. employment i.e., such programs as the 'Specialsterne' are surprisingly not "that six-degress of separation" from helpful services outside of the workplace!

For example, the Accounting profession is one choice for adults with Aspergers(AS); as the guidelines for Accountants are clearly indicated rules. What specific professional services firms hire Accountants with Aspergers(AS)? Again, reassess what professions (not just the TECH. industries) that are favored by adults with (AS) e.g., bookshops, libraries.

By inquiring to people, and places experienced with (AS), this "breaks the ice" so to speak, and demonstrates the need to professional services to develop services friendly to (AS) clientele.

In short, be the change we want to see in the world concerned with Aspergers!

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13 Oct 2014, 9:58 pm

I would guess these services are not accessible to most because most do not live these areas and could not afford it even if they do.


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14 Oct 2014, 12:58 am

Hello,

Concerning costs/access to services:

* The costs of most services are not as out-of reach financially as many would imagine. For example, be mindful of guidelines as to when to use (or when not to use) services e.g, it's possible to afford services only if services are accessed once or twice a year. Another possibility is to focus on services offering sliding scale options; hence opportunities for services to lower-income clientele.

* On access to services: Consider most major metropolitan regions (not heavily orientated around the TECH. industries). Awareness of Aspergers, and the larger populations of adults on the Autism Spectrum would provide potential opportunities for specific places to inquire.

In short, when inquiring about services, it's not necessarily a bad idea to indicate that many adults with Aspergers need affordable services e.g, on a sliding-scale.

After all, if services "price-out" the majority of their potential clientele with Aspergers, than how are services going to establish best practices from only few wealthier clients? It's like "cutting off the nose in spite of the face; that is the quality of such services will be noted as inferior; regardless of a clientele's income!

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14 Oct 2014, 11:42 pm

Seems to me a few wealthy clients is the dominant American business model these days.

You are miles and miles ahead of the community. What is needed most is getting people diagnosed in the first place, access to clinicians who have a clue of what Autism looks like in adults. People need to know the basics of what is up with them before they can choose a proper service


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15 Oct 2014, 2:20 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Seems to me a few wealthy clients is the dominant American business model these days.

You are miles and miles ahead of the community. What is needed most is getting people diagnosed in the first place, access to clinicians who have a clue of what Autism looks in adults. People need to know the basics of what is up with them before they can choose a proper service


As of this writing, 468 views, and a couple of responses (thank-you ASPartOfMe) in four days from this discussion thread. The link to this discussion has been posted to Twitter e.g., 'WrongPlanet.net discussion encourages support for professional services assisting Asperger adults.' - that is Twitter discussions can bring in support i.e., actual (affordable) professional services experienced with Asperger and Neurotypical clientele alike.

In short, support that refrains from letting that pesky cynicism, doubt, (and some wealthly people) continue to be that self-fulfilling prophecy; that audacity to 'be the change' the Asperger world needs to experience!

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18 Oct 2014, 5:23 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Seems to me a few wealthy clients is the dominant American business model these days.

You are miles and miles ahead of the community. What is needed most is getting people diagnosed in the first place, access to clinicians who have a clue of what Autism looks like in adults. People need to know the basics of what is up with them before they can choose a proper service


A formal diagnosis is probably not required for private, or non-profit professional service providers. Again, the types of necessary service options discussed in this thread involve an ample experience/adaptation to largely neurotypical (NT) environments; hence, formal diagnosis becomes increasingly unnecessary!

P.S. As of this writing, there have been over 680 views to this discussion. Imagine, if even one-percent of the readers of this discussion chose to actively develop, and support access to professional service providers experienced with Aspergers, we would have specific (or proposed) service providers listed in this discussion thread.

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19 Oct 2014, 4:03 am

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A formal diagnosis is probably not required for private, or non-profit professional service providers.

That is a pretty huge assumption. If anything the trend is the other way as there is increasing perception that are many wannabees. GRASP recently changed there policy to have new applicants that are not diagnosed yet pledge to get diagnosed. While there is a large group here that feels a diagnoses is not necessary there are many who will have uncertainty and think they're kidding themselves unless they get the validation of professional diagnosis. Diagnosis in many cases is not paid for by insurance and with widespread under and unemployment diagnosis not affordable. And you still need to diagnosis get disability benefits. Catch 22

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providers experienced with Aspergers

What experts? As I posted up yesterday there is a huge shortage psychologists with knowledge of autism. 60% of autistics are misdiagnosed with psychiatric condition until autistic traits were taken to consideration. http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/blog/ ... -in-autism. I read here plenty of stories such as people being told you are talking so you can't have Autism. A priority needs training in at least basic knowledge of Autism. Until this happens in many cases the nearest expert which in many cases is hundreds of miles so Skype accounts need to be setup although I could see a lot of resistance to that idea, so transportation may need to be provided.


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involve an ample experience/adaptation to largely neurotypical (NT) environments

This is going to be exhausting for most and beyond of many. With more knowledge the nureotypical world will have the ability to adapt to us so we don't have do it all.


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19 Oct 2014, 1:51 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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A formal diagnosis is probably not required for private, or non-profit professional service providers.

That is a pretty huge assumption. If anything the trend is the other way as there is increasing perception that are many wannabees. GRASP recently changed there policy to have new applicants that are not diagnosed yet pledge to get diagnosed. While there is a large group here that feels a diagnoses is not necessary there are many who will have uncertainty and think they're kidding themselves unless they get the validation of professional diagnosis. Diagnosis in many cases is not paid for by insurance and with widespread under and unemployment diagnosis not affordable. And you still need to diagnosis get disability benefits. Catch 22

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providers experienced with Aspergers

What experts? As I posted up yesterday there is a huge shortage psychologists with knowledge of autism. 60% of autistics are misdiagnosed with psychiatric condition until autistic traits were taken to consideration. http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/blog/ ... -in-autism. I read here plenty of stories such as people being told you are talking so you can't have Autism. A priority needs training in at least basic knowledge of Autism. Until this happens in many cases the nearest expert which in many cases is hundreds of miles so Skype accounts need to be setup although I could see a lot of resistance to that idea, so transportation may need to be provided.


** On experts: I referred to specific types of professional services in the original post: Consultants who are part-life-coaches, part financial advisors (a ?wingman of sorts?) This would likely include such financial professionals as Accountants (who have Aspergers) "in the loop."

Such professional services assist Asperger (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike with such issues as occupational concerns, credit agendas, housing/rental issues, just to name a few of the sometimes complex everyday concerns.

As I've found out personally through consulting with an awesome therapist (experienced with Asperger young-adults), it's not a part of a Psychologist's practice to even refer clients to specific financial professionals (even if professionals have Aspergers). As said previously, consulting with professional services are more from neurotypical perspectives, which have little, or nothing to do with Psychologists.


RELATED TO EXPERTS: The one surprising example that does not seem to have professional services "in the loop" are programs designed to help adults with Aspergers obtain TECH. employment. Such programs as the 'Specialsterne' are surprisingly not "that six-degress of separation" from referring clients to helpful services outside of the workplace!


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involve an ample experience/adaptation to largely neurotypical (NT) environments

This is going to be exhausting for most and beyond of many. With more knowledge the nureotypical world will have the ability to adapt to us so we don't have do it all.


P.S. As of this writing, this discussion has received over 800 views. It would be helpful to invite new posters to express their perspectives; before this discussion has received 1000 views!

Thank-you



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19 Oct 2014, 3:39 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Here wrote:
A formal diagnosis is probably not required for private, or non-profit professional service providers.

That is a pretty huge assumption. If anything the trend is the other way as there is increasing perception that are many wannabees. GRASP recently changed there policy to have new applicants that are not diagnosed yet pledge to get diagnosed. While there is a large group here that feels a diagnoses is not necessary there are many who will have uncertainty and think they're kidding themselves unless they get the validation of professional diagnosis. Diagnosis in many cases is not paid for by insurance and with widespread under and unemployment diagnosis not affordable. And you still need to diagnosis get disability benefits. Catch 22

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providers experienced with Aspergers

What experts? As I posted up yesterday there is a huge shortage psychologists with knowledge of autism. 60% of autistics are misdiagnosed with psychiatric condition until autistic traits were taken to consideration. http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/blog/ ... -in-autism. I read here plenty of stories such as people being told you are talking so you can't have Autism. A priority needs training in at least basic knowledge of Autism. Until this happens in many cases the nearest expert which in many cases is hundreds of miles so Skype accounts need to be setup although I could see a lot of resistance to that idea, so transportation may need to be provided.


** On experts: I referred to specific types of professional services in the original post: Consultants who are part-life-coaches, part financial advisors (a ?wingman of sorts?) This would likely include such financial professionals as Accountants (who have Aspergers) "in the loop."

Such professional services assist Asperger (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike with such issues as occupational concerns, credit agendas, housing/rental issues, just to name a few of the sometimes complex everyday concerns.

As I've found out personally through consulting with an awesome therapist (experienced with Asperger young-adults), it's not a part of a Psychologist's practice to even refer clients to specific financial professionals (even if professionals have Aspergers). As said previously, consulting with professional services are more from neurotypical perspectives, which have little, or nothing to do with Psychologists.


RELATED TO EXPERTS: The one surprising example that does not seem to have professional services "in the loop" are programs designed to help adults with Aspergers obtain TECH. employment. Such programs as the 'Specialsterne' are surprisingly not "that six-degress of separation" from referring clients to helpful services outside of the workplace!


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involve an ample experience/adaptation to largely neurotypical (NT) environments

This is going to be exhausting for most and beyond of many. With more knowledge the nureotypical world will have the ability to adapt to us so we don't have do it all.


P.S. As of this writing, this discussion has received over 800 views. It would be helpful to invite new posters to express their perspectives; before this discussion has received 1000 views!

Thank-you


Other points of view are always welcome


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20 Oct 2014, 9:07 pm

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Hello,

Anybody benefiting from consultants; who are part-life-coaches, part financial advisors (an awesome ?wingman of sorts?)?

Such professional services assist Asperger (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike with such issues as occupational concerns, credit agendas, housing/rental issues, just to name a few of the sometimes complex everyday concerns.

The technology-orientated regions, such as the SF-Bay Area are home to many (AS) adults who?ve become reasonably acclimated to largely neurotypical environments; hence decisions on professional services would largely stem from neurotypical perspectives.

Yet it is both surprising, and disappointing that locating such important professional services proves to be an unnecessarily time-consuming, and frustrating process.

It seems the only way to boost awareness of such professional services is to post comments on online listings of services such as AngiesList.com, Yelp.com; that is favorable comments on specific professional services based on how friendly, and trustworthy services are to both (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike!

For anybody who lives in proximity to, or have opportunities to visit technology-orientated regions e.g., the SF-Bay Area, Seattle, Boston, these regions are likely ?ahead of the curve? regarding the need for professional services that can best serve Asperger clientele.

Any specific recommendations for professional services?

Thank-you


You're joking right?



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21 Oct 2014, 5:44 pm

FROM ORIGINAL POST: It seems the only way to boost awareness of such professional services is to post comments on online listings of services such as AngiesList.com, Yelp.com; that is favorable comments on specific professional services based on how friendly, and trustworthy services are to both (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike!

UPDATE: 'JJs List' provides specific listings of businesses, services that acknowledge disabilities such as Aspergers. If 'JJs List' does not cover your local region, contact 'JJs List' to develop listings for your area. http://www.jjslist.com/

Remember, many listing services once started out local. These listing services expanded well beyond their "local roots" when people from many regions expressed interest. Growing interest in 'JJs List' can also boost the reach of these listings too!

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25 Oct 2014, 1:07 pm

Professional services that are friendly to Asperger clientele e.g., such as services listed in a www.jjslist.com can encourage consensus with family; that is the consultation with awesome professional services can be recognized by family as a means of boost independence, and "getting away" from that "same-old same-old" which has too often hurt progress!



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29 Oct 2014, 10:12 am

I'm sorry if you're not getting the response you had hoped for. I haven't been posting here very long, but one thing you'll find is that often there is not a lot of response to posts. Some posts seem to come alive, but more often not.

I don't really follow what it is you are advocating and how it would benefit people on the spectrum specifically. Maybe people have just taken your advice and are posting comments already, skipping the step of replying to this post.

As others have stated, it is hard enough to find health care professionals who are helpful with those of us with this condition. I tried a "life coach" relationship for a few months, but it wasn't that helpful. I have a problem with taking other people's advice who don't know me very well. I even have a problem taking advice from people who do.

Also, I don't know you or where you're coming from, but the way you are communicating comes across as someone trying to sell something to a crowd of people with whom you have little in common and know little about, other that that they "need services".



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30 Oct 2014, 5:36 pm

Hello,

First of all, I would not have begun this discussion 'Anybody Benefitting from "Awesome Services"' if I had not personally experienced both appropriate, and unnecessary support services.

The purpose of this discussion-thread is to boost awareness, development, and support of professional services that stem from largely neuro-typical (NT) perspectives, and allowing people with Aspergers (AS) to access and benefit from such services. Such services hire both (NT) and (AS) professionals, and hence may naturally serve both (NT) and (AS) clientele alike!

In short, the wise perspectives are seeking professional consultations in an increasingly "complex world." For adults with (AS), it's notable that such professional services are an appropriate alternative to services orientated towards clients with developmental disabilities more limiting than Aspergers. Such professional services can also assist both individuals, and their families who have been "hard-pressed" to understand, and reassess just what supports are appropriate for (AS) adults reasonably accustomed to an (NT) world!

Let's understand why such directories as 'JJs List' www.jjslist.com exist in the first place; and why such directories must be encouraged to boost the reach, and scope of their listings! How about commenting on Asperger favorable services in 'AngiesList' ,Yelp.com' and maybe Craigslist?

In short, cynicism / doubt become a "self-fulfilling prophecy" - sentiments (too common here on WrongPlanet) probably discouraging too many people from collectively demonstrating an important clientele to professional services experienced with both (NT) and (AS) staff and clientele alike; a "win-win" situation across-the board! Some professional services in metro-regions esp. in regions heavily orientated around the TECH. industries employing many people with (AS) might very well be receptive to boosting experience with (AS).

With over 1250 views (as of this writing) in three-weeks to this discussion thread (average about 60 view per day) with links to discussion on Twitter posts on Asperger adults, this must demonstrate the needs to have "awesome services" available.

The old wisdom, "One doesn't know if they don't ask!" The purpose of this discussion thread is to collectively.......ask, and influence the progress of services; whose agendas are probably more "ripe to evolve" then what the sentiment of many people concerned with (AS) give credit!

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Hello,

Anybody benefiting from consultants; who are part-life-coaches, part financial advisors (an awesome ?wingman of sorts?)?

Such professional services assist Asperger (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike with such issues as occupational concerns, credit agendas, housing/rental issues, just to name a few of the sometimes complex everyday concerns.

The technology-orientated regions, such as the SF-Bay Area are home to many (AS) adults who?ve become reasonably acclimated to largely neurotypical environments; hence decisions on professional services would largely stem from neurotypical perspectives.

Yet it is both surprising, and disappointing that locating such important professional services proves to be an unnecessarily time-consuming, and frustrating process.

It seems the only way to boost awareness of such professional services is to post comments on online listings of services such as AngiesList.com, Yelp.com; that is favorable comments on specific professional services based on how friendly, and trustworthy services are to both (AS), and neurotypical clientele alike!

For anybody who lives in proximity to, or have opportunities to visit technology-orientated regions e.g., the SF-Bay Area, Seattle, Boston, these regions are likely ?ahead of the curve? regarding the need for professional services that can best serve Asperger clientele.

Any specific recommendations for professional services?

Thank-you

No I am not.