Socialist party advocates for $20/hr and only pays $13/hr

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Hardly, That is the role of the gutter media. You don't understand UK politics.

There is more than enough to be doing regarding their god awful politics before we start with what they get up to behind closed doors.

Need some more straw for that huge man you are building?

Preach $20 hr minimum income + post a job and only offer $13 hr = hypocrisy

You can sugar coat it all you want but sugar coated s**t is still s**t.

Do I need to understand UK politics to notice that smearing conservatives is your second favorite thing to do on WP, after smearing Israel of course?

I don't need to bring up their insatiable sexual libidos to make them look bad, they do that themselves through their terrible divisive politics.

I am a progressive, so obviously I am going to find ways in which to credence to a progressive narrative (duh).

For example,
Conservative politican X says something dumb or racist on newspaper article.

I post a forum thread highlighting what conserative politican x said is wrong.

This does not equate to me 'smearing' all conservative politicians.

Israel is a group of xenophobic butchers on whom awareness needs to be raised. Unfortunately conservatives and reactionaries seem bent on gagging that, which is why you accuse me of 'smearing'. Fine advocacy of free speech.

My grandparents still wake up screaming because they've had another nightmare about Atlee's gulags. Things only got worse under Wilson. Now we're seeing millions fleeing internment by Hollande, and the big reason that Scotland rejected independence was Salmond's "gulag-building" program.

My collage friend used to work as a labor organizer, he didn't get paid s**t to organize workers who stood to make far more than him. It's a labor of love. But please, don't look past the talking point if it makes you feel better.

And now you're the one comparing apples to oranges.
Your college friend working as a labor organizer for free is a world different than an organization itself advocating $20 Hr and only willing to pay $13. Just because you keep attempting to win by posting more pointless rebuttals doesnt make you the winner, it just makes you come off as desperate.

Creating a thread orientating around a single job vacancy within an obscure socialist party in a attempt to make all socialists seem morally guilty is the most desperate thing posted here so far.

In any case, I would be willing to bet that $13 an hour is still head and shoulders above what most anti-socialist employers would usually pay to the same worker of equivalent skill bracket.

As others have hinted perhaps their intention is to raise the pay to $20 after their socialist legislation has been enacted? Its more difficult to operate socialism under a predominantly neo-liberal economic narrative. Its the same reason the west won the cold war.

Oh? Is it as desperate as posting an obviously staged police harassment video and labeling it as proof that American cops are racist?

I certainly wouldn't call my employer socialist and neither would our client government but they pay just about everyone more than $13.


Then they should set an example. Again, advocating $20 and only offering $13 comes of as arrogant and hypocritical. You're beloved socialists f*cked themselves in black and white so get over it.

Posting as video of proof that racism exists within the US police force is different from saying American cops are inherently racist. Much less that some would have you believe that Obama being president is proof that racism has been driven out of american society entirely.



Maybe the reason they can't afford the full twenty is because they have to compete with other companies who don't pay so much. If all progressive parties based their non-political business around how they want to make changes, as opposed to what is economically viable under the parameters set by the existing climate they would go out of pocket and there would never be any social change.

I suppose thats the precisely the point though, conservatives don't want change. If they can silence any dissenting voices in the process and get away with it, then even better.

This is precisely indicative against the 'trickle down' theory that free trade raises the living costs for everyone. It clearly doesnt, it only succeeds in driving salaries down because predatory companies thrive on desperate people, driving down their costs to improve profit margins and the centralisation of wealth means that workers have to compete with each other for jobs, rather than companies having to compete with each other in the context of the labour market by raising salaries. Everyone regardless of their politics is forced to play this game if they wish to survive in business.

Except that it aint proof of anything.


There is racism and always will be. However, it's miniscule compared to what it was 50 years ago.





$20 hr as minimum aint gonna happen for a long time and it's just as well. It would kill most small businesses dead and prevent others from even starting. I keep hearing all this blathering from the left about the evils of big business and how they're for the little guy (I assume that means small business at least some time) yet they miss no opportunity to kick the little guy in the balls under the pretense of help .
Do you all just want everyone to be on the dole or what?

Which makes what we have acceptable?


Not if the GOP-Democrat dichotomy have anything to do with it, no.

Thats one spin on it.

The other is it would actually stimulate the economy by improving the spending power of regular joes whose dollars small businesses depend on. This is an example of where government assistance and more socialism is needed, not deregulation or permitting nastier contracts of work. In this country small businesses can hire skilled staff for a one off fee of £1000 a year per staff member (about $1500 in your money) then the government are paying the other £19000 or whatever it happens to be.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/16/socia ... m-wage-but



Do they not have Google in Ireland?

$13 as opposed to nothing is probably attractive to a prospective unemployed web developer without experience that cant get their foot in the door anywhere else. Theres other factors here. I am largely not privvy to the cost of living in America. We haven't been told if this job offers a good, extensive health insurance or not.

In any case.... ....disagreeing with the argument that this party are hypocrites is a far cry from agreeing with each of their individual policies.

Do i believe that skilled workers should be paid the same as what is considered to be the equivalent for 'unskilled workers'? No i don't. I don't agree with this model of trade in the first instance. However thats a debate for another thread.

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