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23 Oct 2014, 9:16 am

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There is a time and a place for campaigning, that is not one of them.


and the dems think its either when i'm eating dinner at 11 pm at night. and then there's the emails, letters and fliers.
don't want to tell them i'm not voting dem but can't lie so its a find line I walk telling them i'm undecided.


If you're interested in "really" trying to be honest with the caller, say:

"I'm not interested.
So, "no-thank you" for interrupting me.
Don't ever call me again."

And then hang-up. This is as honest as possible and allows the caller to move on to the next,
hopefully interested party. This is being respectful of the caller's (and your) time.



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23 Oct 2014, 9:42 am

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This incident has nothing to do with politics. That guy just has an aggressive proselytizer personality. People with that personality will aggressively proselytize captive audience strangers with whatever they happen to be passionate about. It might be politics left or right, it might be religion (or less commonly, atheism).

I tend to agree completely with this. Some people, and I know and have known plenty of them, are so passionate and dogmatic about anything they do, any philosophy they have, or any product they use that they HAVE to press it on everyone they encounter. It doesn?t matter whether it?s conservative vs. liberal, Ford vs. Toyota, Dell vs. HP, chardonnay vs. gewürztraminer, or Christian vs. Atheist they HAVE to try and convert whoever they encounter and strike up a conversation with. There is no malice or ill intent, just an excessive desire to spread whatever gospel that?s on their mind.

Really, the theme of this thread is; ?look how evil and unprincipled those despicable conservatives are!


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No, that is not the theme. This guy happened to be Conservative but I would have reacted the same had he been a Liberal or Independent.

Given your venomous view of anything that is even suggestive conservatism I have to admit to feeling some skepticism here.

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I am old school. It is taboo to tell someone how they should vote. Just encouragement to vote is enough. It is fine to engage in political discourse but not to outright tell someone who they should vote for. It would suit me just fine if society reverted back to the days where people kept their religion and their politics to themselves. I don't NEED to engage in discourse on these topics, even though I admit to sometimes getting carried away.

There is a very fine line between suggesting and telling.
Every election year anywhere I've been, campaign signs / posters and internet and TV adverts are telling us how to vote. Both republicans and democrats are guilty. There is not much that can be done for anyone simpleminded enough to vote based on the most frequent campaign poster they saw.

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It would not disturb me the least were this PPR forum was eliminated from the site. I think these topics are "triggers" for a lot of people, including myself. We would be a saner society if we could just allow our fingers to do our talking at the polls and pews instead of in public forums.

It's simple: Stop visiting this forum.
It might come as a surprise but I had at one time strongly disapproved of having a forum for the express purpose of discussing politics philosophy, and religion on what is supposed to be a support site. All three topics, especially politics and religion, are hot spots generally guaranteed to spawn strife. I don't own WP and I don't have power of change so I didnt sweat it. My only guess a to the creation of PPR is that when some of the topics from other forums got political and combative the mods needed a place to relocate them to. Many of the threads born in news and current events wind up in PPR. To do away with PPR at this point people would just take their grudges to to contaminate other forums that really do serve support function. WP as a whole is an autism support website but the PPR forum is not. If you come to this forum it's with the understanding that pissing contest are not uncommon and to wear your armor.

And there is no conspiracy with the mods to suppress liberals here. That is one of the most off the wall accusations I've seen here, especially when none of the mods to date that I remember has shown noteworthy signs of conservatism. Most could be counted as liberal if anything.


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23 Oct 2014, 2:42 pm

ZenDen wrote:
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There is a time and a place for campaigning, that is not one of them.


and the dems think its either when i'm eating dinner at 11 pm at night. and then there's the emails, letters and fliers.
don't want to tell them i'm not voting dem but can't lie so its a find line I walk telling them i'm undecided.


If you're interested in "really" trying to be honest with the caller, say:

"I'm not interested.
So, "no-thank you" for interrupting me.
Don't ever call me again."

And then hang-up. This is as honest as possible and allows the caller to move on to the next,
hopefully interested party. This is being respectful of the caller's (and your) time.


I am submissive and don't want to be rude. its really hard for me to say no or hang out. probably part of why phone calls give me anxiety.

the college is swamped with liberal dems at this time of year, giving out free food and asking you to vote for their person or sign a petition. they hit up the bust stations too. Its why one thing i don't miss about riding the bus. they don't try to target the people who drive but they know the bus people have only one way to campus so they blockade the walk way so you have to go through serval of their stands. now i park on the other side of campus when i work so mostly don't see them except in the food court.



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23 Oct 2014, 3:12 pm

sly279 wrote:
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sly279 wrote:
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There is a time and a place for campaigning, that is not one of them.


and the dems think its either when i'm eating dinner at 11 pm at night. and then there's the emails, letters and fliers.
don't want to tell them i'm not voting dem but can't lie so its a find line I walk telling them i'm undecided.


If you're interested in "really" trying to be honest with the caller, say:

"I'm not interested.
So, "no-thank you" for interrupting me.
Don't ever call me again."

And then hang-up. This is as honest as possible and allows the caller to move on to the next,
hopefully interested party. This is being respectful of the caller's (and your) time.


I am submissive and don't want to be rude. its really hard for me to say no or hang out. probably part of why phone calls give me anxiety.

I don't like phone calls, either, and I don't make any that are not necessary. I love my iPhone but not for the phone part of it. I unplugged my landline at home and may just cancel it altogether to save the money. I only make/receive non-work calls on my iPhone. I only answer the incoming calls from people on my contacts list or sometimes I just let them leave a voicemail and deal with it later. If it's not a number I recognise I don't answer the phone. If it's important they'll leave a message. I have never had a election campaigner call my cell phone and I've had the same cell phone number forever. Even if they do get that number it's unlikely they'll leave a voicemail.

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the college is swamped with liberal dems at this time of year, giving out free food and asking you to vote for their person or sign a petition. they hit up the bust stations too. Its why one thing i don't miss about riding the bus. they don't try to target the people who drive but they know the bus people have only one way to campus so they blockade the walk way so you have to go through serval of their stands. now i park on the other side of campus when i work so mostly don't see them except in the food court.

This is what bugs me the most about the GOP; they don't campaign effectively enough (if at all :roll: ) where they should. :x
First they need to trim their political sails to be widely appealing by 21st century standards, then reach out and touch the masses.


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23 Oct 2014, 10:28 pm

khaoz wrote:
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How can a stranger browbeat anybody to vote for anybody in America?


That's just it, they can't.
Or I could say that no one that would allow themselves to be browbeat to vote one way or the other is worthy of voting.


He was trying to intimidate her, feeding her unsolicited propaganda, asking about her voting habits and grilling her on political information. All with a right wing slant. You do not do that to people in public places. He is lucky I was not present.


How you deal with these people: smile, nod, take their pamphlets, then go vote for whomever you wish to.


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Most could be counted as liberal if anything.


I think that's correct. And notice how we manage to interact with the right-leaning people here without calling them evil poopyhead fascists? Sometimes I think that both sides here are more interested in scoring points against the other side than in promoting their political ideals.


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23 Oct 2014, 10:51 pm

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chardonnay vs. gewürztraminer,


Did you just out yourself as an oenophile? :lol:


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24 Oct 2014, 1:49 am

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I don't like phone calls, either, and I don't make any that are not necessary. I love my iPhone but not for the phone part of it. I unplugged my landline at home and may just cancel it altogether to save the money. I only make/receive non-work calls on my iPhone. I only answer the incoming calls from people on my contacts list or sometimes I just let them leave a voicemail and deal with it later. If it's not a number I recognise I don't answer the phone. If it's important they'll leave a message. I have never had a election campaigner call my cell phone and I've had the same cell phone number forever. Even if they do get that number it's unlikely they'll leave a voicemail.

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the college is swamped with liberal dems at this time of year, giving out free food and asking you to vote for their person or sign a petition. they hit up the bust stations too. Its why one thing i don't miss about riding the bus. they don't try to target the people who drive but they know the bus people have only one way to campus so they blockade the walk way so you have to go through serval of their stands. now i park on the other side of campus when i work so mostly don't see them except in the food court.

This is what bugs me the most about the GOP; they don't campaign effectively enough (if at all :roll: ) where they should. :x
First they need to trim their political sails to be widely appealing by 21st century standards, then reach out and touch the masses.


pretty much what I do now. I added important people like voc rehab or counseling to my contacts and the doctors office comes up. though I'm going have to start answering unknown numbers soon cause of calls about jobs :S

i live in a left leaning state and the college is in one of the 3 liberal cities in our state, so maybe in conservative states its different. though most colleges tend to be liberal based.



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24 Oct 2014, 9:59 am

Dox47 wrote:
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chardonnay vs. gewürztraminer,


Did you just out yourself as an oenophile? :lol:


I keep a few bottles on hand at any given time and I've visited a few wineries and wine tastings.That's about the extent of my oenophilia.


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