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22 Oct 2014, 10:40 am

To sympathise can be expressing understanding, being on the same side, or saying "Poor you" or something. Empathising comes before that.

Yes, I´ve had the same thought, that AS people are delayed empaths, because the recognition or the awareness process is slower. I have heard, that the typical NT will react with empathy before he/she thinks in immediate recognition.
I have done that some times, and I am considered to be an empatic person, but mostly I find, that I react rather slow.


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24 Oct 2014, 10:15 am

As someone who experience selective empathy (I have to care in order to feel it) as well as emotions all over the spectrum of intensity, I don't relate to that part of it. There are so many variations on what we feel and whether or not we can feel empathy as well as many other traits, that it's hard to find something that would always be true for anti-aspie.


I guess an anti-aspie would be someone who only sees the big picture but is useless when it comes to details, someone who can't go into depths about anything. Someone who is talkative, and very little reflective. Someone who is impulsive, and a risk taker. Someone who is very good at showing that they feel empathy. An anti-aspie would slavishly follow trends regardless of what they thought of them.


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27 Oct 2014, 5:11 am

Skilpadde wrote:
I guess an anti-aspie would be someone who only sees the big picture but is useless when it comes to details, someone who can't go into depths about anything. Someone who is talkative, and very little reflective. Someone who is impulsive, and a risk taker. Someone who is very good at showing that they feel empathy. An anti-aspie would slavishly follow trends regardless of what they thought of them.


This pretty much sums up the suspected anti-aspie that I know to a T. I'll also add that she has exceptional executive function. Of interest is that she fell hard for a bi-polar bloke that very few people could stand to spend much time with.



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27 Oct 2014, 10:32 pm

Jensen wrote:
You don´t have to be not-aspie to be able to empathise. That is a clichee!
Aspies can be very good, loving caregivers, like NT´s - or cold monster. like some (luckily few) NT´s.
It is all up to personality type - and upbringing/social-emotional bacground.


You're talking about compassion and emotional responses to empathy. I believe what he was referencing was empathy in the clinical sense: how easily you recognize other states of mind. As folks on the spectrum we many times have difficulty determining exactly what others around us are feeling. This doesn't mean that we don't think about them and feel for them.

There are some people out there, like the OP states, that are about not only receptive and available but they have an uncanny knack for recognizing emotion in others, sometimes even before they themselves can recognize their own emotion. This happens a lot with me and my step mother, a nurse, because I often have a hard time figuring out just how I feel about something and she has this uncanny level of empathy.


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27 Oct 2014, 10:39 pm

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They are called empaths and some people with ASD can have it.


How can you be an empath if you don't like eye contact and have difficulty gauging facial expressions and other social gestures? Sounds impossible to me for a person with ASD to accurately discern emotions without many of the usual tools necessary to do that.


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28 Oct 2014, 7:44 am

albeniz wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
I guess an anti-aspie would be someone who only sees the big picture but is useless when it comes to details, someone who can't go into depths about anything. Someone who is talkative, and very little reflective. Someone who is impulsive, and a risk taker. Someone who is very good at showing that they feel empathy. An anti-aspie would slavishly follow trends regardless of what they thought of them.


This pretty much sums up the suspected anti-aspie that I know to a T. I'll also add that she has exceptional executive function. Of interest is that she fell hard for a bi-polar bloke that very few people could stand to spend much time with.


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Of course, the anti-aspie has escaped the scientific attention reserved for aspies because they fit in with society exceptionally well.

In order for something to be pathologized it would need to be something that acts as an impairment. I would actually think that only seeing the big picture and be useless when it comes to details, not going into depth about anything, being impulsive and a risk taker would qualify. That would be a person who was a generalist in the extreme, and would mess things up with impulsiveness and risks.
Just my two cents.


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29 Oct 2014, 9:52 am

Sure, but it is not really an impairement. It's a bit like saying that being too nasty can cause problems to others and being too nice (not in a creepy, stalking sense), well that could be a liittle anoying to others at worst but no one is going to put you in a prison for it.