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24 Oct 2014, 2:14 pm

Agreed about recording the session if it's legal in your state.

I really hope you get away from that evil therapist soon. You do not deserve to be treated like that. *hugs*


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24 Oct 2014, 2:37 pm

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Could not disagree with Tall-p more.

This is abuse in the guise of therapy and the therapist needs to be exposed and barred from further practice by the APA/State authorities. If you are not unlucky enough to live in one of the states DVCal identified, please use a recorder to expose this jerk--you will be protecting other vulnerable children as well as yourself.


Same here; I think Tall-p has utterly missed the point. I have nothing against brusque therapists; in fact I tend to like people who are blunt and honest. But this therapist has so far exceeded his professional boundaries, he's jetted off into outer space. This is abuse, pure and simple. It's not any better because it's a "professional" doing it, instead of a family member or a classmate. In fact it's even worse, because he's a stranger in a position of trust and authority. The lifelong psychological and physical affects of abuse are well-documented. This guy needs to be barred from further practice, before he can destroy anyone else.



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24 Oct 2014, 4:11 pm

OP. I am very concerned about you. This is really wrong. You may not be able to express your feelings to your parents because your upset in the context of this abusive professional relationship, but you need to try.

I suggest you write a letter to your parents, much like what you've written here. You don't necessarily have to give it to them. But it can help you order your thoughts.

Recording or not recording. You can still document what he has said to you. Recording can make it easier.

Not only should you stop seeing this person, but if what you've said is true to even the slightest degree this person should not be a licensed therapist! It's not your responsibility to get this person's license revoked, but if you feel strong enough I think you should very much consider making a complaint to this person's professional board. This sounds like very bad practice indeed!



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24 Oct 2014, 5:00 pm

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he ignored me and says I "just have to deal with it and hold all the emotions in for the rest of my life" and "behave like a socially accepted adult" I tried to tell him that a person can't hold bad feelings in forever and that's how stuff like Newtown and suicide happens. He said this was a lie and that I should do what's accepted and behave like everyone else.



I think there is a good possibility that your therapist is a psychopath.
He is clearly an agent of the hive mind, dedicated to the production of drones.
He also seems to be engaging in types of psychological bullying, perhaps because you are female, or also due to your age.



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24 Oct 2014, 8:31 pm

Fire the f*****g bastard.

I have talked to people who have had good experiences with psychs, my NT daughter included. But few to none know how to support someone with autism.

The first rule of autism is "Do not believe the lies". We are not NT. They do not (as a group, there are individuals who do understand) know who we are. They think we are defective because we do not like they do. Autism is a different way of thinking. They are confused that we are a different way of being. They are not up to the task.


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24 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm

Dear O.P.:

This therapist sounds like an absolute piece of worm excrement. I generally hate therapists. I think most of them are on a power trip and that they are part of the scum of the planet. From what you have told me, you have grounds to file a law-suit against your therapist to have his license removed.

The only therapist who can help is a licensed social worker trained in autism spectrum disorders. Regular therapists are not equipped to handle non-NTs.


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24 Oct 2014, 10:23 pm

This is NOT how any therapist should deal with a patient/client. This isn't some kind of healthy pushing toward healthier and stronger coping strategies for life...this is outright verbal and emotional abuse. It's unprofessional and breaking boundaries. The guy is a freakin' psycho, to be perfectly blunt about it. Anyone trying to tell you what he's doing is okay is just wrong, no debate, end of story.

If you live in a state where it's legal to record without asking permission of the person you are recording, record him. Check online first -- google your state and "Is it legal to secretly record someone in the state of ___ ".

Your phone may have a recording app or feature. Find it and try it out at home first to judge where you're going to have to keep it in order to catch his voice from the distance you normally sit from him. Make sure the mic end is pointed in his direction to get the clearest recording.

Pretend everything's fine (don't burn bridges with him yet) and get home and listen to the recording to make sure it's clear.

Report him to the correct authorities. He needs to be struck off and never practice again.

What he's saying to you is ABUSE. Belittling, goading, insulting and mocking IS NOT therapy/counseling/the road to helping you be a stronger person. A therapist's job is to help you be a person who can cope better with the things you struggle to cope with. To function at the best of your ability as the unique person you are. That is never achieved by abuse, belittling and destroying a person's existing self esteem.

The job of a counselor is to neither enable/mollycoddle you, NOR to kick you when you're down. There is a middle ground that has nothing to do with EITHER of those extremes and anyone who can't figure that out (and I mean some of the people on this site) are full of it.



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24 Oct 2014, 10:30 pm

Others have raised good points about whether or not it's legal. But you don't need to make a case out of it. I think it would still be worth it to show your family that it's real. (not worth getting in legal trouble, but worth showing them proof)


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24 Oct 2014, 10:39 pm

I don't get if you are 18, why not just stop seeing the therapist, no one can force you to go.



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25 Oct 2014, 12:07 am

Man, and I thought my therapist was bad when I was in high school. This is all bad, I would either report it if you know how or just stop seeing him. I wonder how he can even keep his license if this is how he treats his patients.


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25 Oct 2014, 12:30 am

Skilpadde wrote:
Others have raised good points about whether or not it's legal. But you don't need to make a case out of it. I think it would still be worth it to show your family that it's real. (not worth getting in legal trouble, but worth showing them proof)


True, it might be worth it for showing the family evidence. Whatever it takes so the OP doesn't have to go there anymore.

In an abusive situation, the most important thing is that you get away from it as soon as possible. Then file a complaint somewhere if you can and let someone else check it out. But don't keep subjecting yourself to this therapist for the sake of gathering evidence.



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25 Oct 2014, 3:17 am

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Beside be abusive bullying both the therapist and dad is trying to make her who she is not, a very social uber neurotypical person. Acting nuerotypical for periods of time is good if a person wants to do it for a job, not to weird out people you care about. Motivation for change should be positive, just doing something to get people off your back is ultimately damaging and can't work as well as positive motivation.

I would advise the OP to completely leave, even if that means being words of the state for a period of time.


I fail to see how encouraging someone to be more social, which is actually often good advice for someone with autism, equates to turning someone into a "very social uber neurotypical person".


If you read the OP's original post, you'll see that the therapist is actually doing more than just encouraging her to be more social. The therapist is actually dismissing all of her issues instead of addressing them and at one point even accused her of accessing child porn when when she wasn't and that's not what she told him. Furthermore, the therapist is not actually helping her, it sounds like he has no experience with autism whatsoever.


Let me clarify, I did read the original post and agree the behavior is profoundly abusive, I just don't see any claims at trying to turn her super-nt.


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25 Oct 2014, 5:50 am

Ganondox wrote:
Jono wrote:
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Beside be abusive bullying both the therapist and dad is trying to make her who she is not, a very social uber neurotypical person. Acting nuerotypical for periods of time is good if a person wants to do it for a job, not to weird out people you care about. Motivation for change should be positive, just doing something to get people off your back is ultimately damaging and can't work as well as positive motivation.

I would advise the OP to completely leave, even if that means being words of the state for a period of time.


I fail to see how encouraging someone to be more social, which is actually often good advice for someone with autism, equates to turning someone into a "very social uber neurotypical person".


If you read the OP's original post, you'll see that the therapist is actually doing more than just encouraging her to be more social. The therapist is actually dismissing all of her issues instead of addressing them and at one point even accused her of accessing child porn when when she wasn't and that's not what she told him. Furthermore, the therapist is not actually helping her, it sounds like he has no experience with autism whatsoever.


Let me clarify, I did read the original post and agree the behavior is profoundly abusive, I just don't see any claims at trying to turn her super-nt.


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I have tried to get my mom to cancel as well but my dad insists that I "need help" and forces me to go. He (who is rarely ever even in the same state nvm the same house as me) thinks that the doctor is helping me and wants me to do everything the doctor says even though I have panic attacks and bad behavior mainly around the day of my appt. My dad critisizes the therapists that I got along with because they "let me talk about stupid things" this therapist will not even listen to my problems. He says "that isn't relevant" when it's something important to me. I tried to tell him that he should give me advice and coping skills to address the sources of the bad emotion but he ignored me and says I "just have to deal with it and hold all the emotions in for the rest of my life" and "behave like a socially accepted adult" I tried to tell him that a person can't hold bad feelings in forever and that's how stuff like Newtown and suicide happens. He said this was a lie and that I should do what's accepted and behave like everyone else. He told me I act like an 11 year old or a 2 year old depending on the day. He tells me I should be social and do everything everyone does and shut my mouth and "just get over my anxiety" He said for me to stop talking about anxiety and that I'm making it up. He also said that I should cook and clean if I don't want a job. He threatened to make me a ward of the state a bunch of times but when I've begged him to do so after dealing with things at home he says no to that then. One day I was so mad too mad to talk so I wanted to write things down and he kept asking me if I was done, saying I was taking too long, tried to grab the clipboard away from me, then he made fun of my penmanship and my grammar and said everything I wrote was either irrelevant or a blatant lie. Then he yelled and kicked me out so he could talk to my parents and spread who knows what gossip about me. One time he asked me about my potential bf (who he pushed me into contacting) and wanted to know his name bc he was curious if he knew him or if he was another patient. He even tells personal info of other patients and where they go to school likf wtaf


Her dad is going way beyond saying she should be more social her dad wants her to be like everybody else for every waking minute of her life no matter what the cost. Dad does seem to recognize the cost, holding in her emotions" her whole life. I wonder if he is an autistic who has completely internalized ableism or just sadistic?


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25 Oct 2014, 6:06 am

olympiadis wrote:
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he ignored me and says I "just have to deal with it and hold all the emotions in for the rest of my life" and "behave like a socially accepted adult" I tried to tell him that a person can't hold bad feelings in forever and that's how stuff like Newtown and suicide happens. He said this was a lie and that I should do what's accepted and behave like everyone else.



I think there is a good possibility that your therapist is a psychopath.
He is clearly an agent of the hive mind, dedicated to the production of drones.
He also seems to be engaging in types of psychological bullying, perhaps because you are female, or also due to your age.


I know a family unit like this. He is supposedly a 'narcissist', and he is a passive-aggressive, ultra-competitive, and an ego-maniac. From the outside, how are we to know if he is a narcissist, or sits a little further down the spectrum. His wife is the same, but is opposite in the fact that she is quietly confident. That is the only other personality type that I have observed partnered with an overt narcissist besides the submissive personality type. They are just about to have their second child.

If you have any more information on this ''hive mind'' could you please message me about it?

To the OP - Please record some of these sessions and 'leak' them on Youtube. I like nothing more than to see the light turned on these cockroaches, as it happens far too infrequently.



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25 Oct 2014, 11:24 am

I never tell my therapist the truth, if possible, nothing she doesn't know. She just wants my parents' money.


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25 Oct 2014, 1:09 pm

Unless you want to try the recording device to expose him, which is up to you I guess, there is no reason for you to spend one more moment with him. Depending on what state he's in, it MIGHT be illegal and/or inadmissible. Stand you ground, there is no excuse for how he treats you.