GOP calls for vigilantes to suppress wisconsin dem vote
STLTODAY.COM: "Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system" (October 22, 2014)
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 5fef6.html
Aside from the obviously slanted hiring practices at the Ferguson Police Department, its original story has now been proved correct. And yet, I agree that "many folk in Ferguson [will] say otherwise" regardless of the facts.
Quite true.
From the facts that I have read in the case, it doesn't seem at all likely that Brown was gunned down in cold blood. It appears to be a very justified shooting.
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
Do you remember who was complaining about vote fraud after Gore lost to Bush in 2000?
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
Do you remember who was complaining about vote fraud after Gore lost to Bush in 2000?
That was a completely different situation. In 2000, it was a matter of the people in charge of the electoral machinery who were suspected of shenanigans, whereas in the case of the Republicans today, it's the very voters who are accused of wrong doing.
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
Do you remember who was complaining about vote fraud after Gore lost to Bush in 2000?
That was a completely different situation. In 2000, it was a matter of the people in charge of the electoral machinery who were suspected of shenanigans, whereas in the case of the Republicans today, it's the very voters who are accused of wrong doing.
It isn't vote fraud if it is the Republicans who complain but it is vote fraud when it is the Democrats who complain?
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
Do you remember who was complaining about vote fraud after Gore lost to Bush in 2000?
That was a completely different situation. In 2000, it was a matter of the people in charge of the electoral machinery who were suspected of shenanigans, whereas in the case of the Republicans today, it's the very voters who are accused of wrong doing.
It isn't vote fraud if it is the Republicans who complain but it is vote fraud when it is the Democrats who complain?
I think you know that's not what I'm saying. Democrats thought there had been voter irregularities with Republican officials running the show in Florida - in which there would be more of a chance of legitimate fraud going on, as the people in charge have power. These days, when Republicans complain about voter fraud, they're talking about common, ordinary people without power, save the ballot, who vote Democrat.
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
Do you remember who was complaining about vote fraud after Gore lost to Bush in 2000?
That was a completely different situation. In 2000, it was a matter of the people in charge of the electoral machinery who were suspected of shenanigans, whereas in the case of the Republicans today, it's the very voters who are accused of wrong doing.
It isn't vote fraud if it is the Republicans who complain but it is vote fraud when it is the Democrats who complain?
I think you know that's not what I'm saying. Democrats thought there had been voter irregularities with Republican officials running the show in Florida - in which there would be more of a chance of legitimate fraud going on, as the people in charge have power. These days, when Republicans complain about voter fraud, they're talking about common, ordinary people without power, save the ballot, who vote Democrat.
The Republicans are not complaining about voters who are eligible to vote, are registered to vote, and cast only their one vote.
By the way, according to http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216:
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In Lansing, Michigan, the City Clerk's office complained in late September about 5,000 to 8,000 fraudulent voter-registration forms that had recently come in?courtesy, election officials believed, of the Public Interest Research Group
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A 1996 INS investigation into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's 46th Congressional district discovered that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez."
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In the 2000 election, as the Missouri Secretary of State later discovered, 56,000 St. Louis-area voters held multiple voter registrations.
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Montgomery is accused of hiring about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. They were supposed to have canvassed black neighborhoods and recorded names of potential voters to be contacted later to vote in the Nov. 7 election. And they were paid by the number of cards they filled out. Instead of knocking on doors, however, they sat down at a fast-food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list.
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The new [New York] statewide database of registered voters contains as many as 77,000 dead people on its rolls, and as many as 2,600 of them have cast votes from the grave.
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Prosecutors in King and Pierce counties filed felony charges Thursday against seven employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, claiming they turned in more than 1,800 phony voter-registration forms, including an estimated 55 in Pierce County.
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Chicago-based Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), which incidentally endorses Barack Obama, got busted for submitting more than 1,000 fraudulent voter registration cards in New Mexico?s most populous county (Bernalillo).
ACORN is notorious for falsifying information to register new voters and has been caught doing so in Milwaukee, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina and Colorado to name a few. Last year the group settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State after seven workers were caught submitting about 2,000 fake registration forms.
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LaSota said Monday representatives of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a grassroots activist group conducting registration drives, dropped off 2,000 new voter applications last week in Lake County.
?About 1,100 are no good,? she said. LaSota said the flawed forms are incomplete or contain unreadable handwriting ? similar to hundreds of other forms ACORN produced prior to this week. She said some ACORN vote canvassers apparently pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged signatures.
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^^^
But that's the point - Republicans, or rather their leadership, are actually targeting legitimate voters who don't usually support Republicans by trying to discourage them from voting. That's the whole idea of using these voter fraud laws as a pretext in order to give Republican candidates an edge.
And the truth about ACORN is, while some of their activists had submitted fraudulent collected signatures, it was more often than not ACORN themselves who revealed this publicly, even though their critics and opponents used it against them. What their critics and opponents never gave ACORN credit for was how that organization represented and empowered poor people and racial minorities. And in truth, that's why their conservative critics really hated them. And yes, James O'Keefe had entrapped them.
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Really? How does voter fraud keep anyone else from voting.
So as long as you can vote, then you haven't been disenfranchised even if other people illegally vote more than once? What if those additional votes change the election in their favor and against yours? That's not disenfranchisement?
There seriously isn't a problem with voter fraud. Republicans tell themselves that there is to justify why Obama won - twice. After all, who wouldn't vote for someone wanting to cut social spending, and who calls 47% of the American people takers? So they reason Obama and ACORN must have been pulling some sort of shenanigans.
But as for voters not being disenfranchised because they can still vote - it's not from the right not trying. The right hadn't expected the resolve of voters on the left, who had been targeted by such spurious voter fraud laws, to cast their ballots.
Do you remember who was complaining about vote fraud after Gore lost to Bush in 2000?
That was a completely different situation. In 2000, it was a matter of the people in charge of the electoral machinery who were suspected of shenanigans, whereas in the case of the Republicans today, it's the very voters who are accused of wrong doing.
It isn't vote fraud if it is the Republicans who complain but it is vote fraud when it is the Democrats who complain?
That' pretty much sums it up.......
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STLTODAY.COM: "Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system" (October 22, 2014)
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 5fef6.html
Aside from the obviously slanted hiring practices at the Ferguson Police Department, its original story has now been proved correct. And yet, I agree that "many folk in Ferguson [will] say otherwise" regardless of the facts.
Quite true.
From the facts that I have read in the case, it doesn't seem at all likely that Brown was gunned down in cold blood. It appears to be a very justified shooting.
While this is completely off topic, this actually does not help Wilson's case, as it corroborates all 6 witnesses' accounts:
Altercation at the police vehicle.
Firearm discharge.
Brown attempts to flee.
Firearm discharge.
Brown turns around (hands up).
Firearm discharge.
Fatality.
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From http://www.krgv.com/mobile/news/weslaco-police-investigate-possible-voter-fraud:
Rogelio Yrigoyen, 65, said two women he called politiqueras knocked on his door at Alta Vista Apartments - a Weslaco Public Housing facility.
Yrigoyen said one woman initially said she was there to check his health vitals. Instead, he was hurried into getting dressed.
"When they knocked on my door, I thought it was my nurse ... that's why I opened the door," Yrigoyen said.
The incident happened at approximately 3 p.m. Oct. 20.
Yrigoyen said the women helped him put on his shoes and escorted him out of the building with two other senior citizens.
"She grabbed me by the arm and said, ?let's go,'" Yrigoyen said.
They were all taken to vote curbside, which is legal.
"They brought out the computer and moved my arm to indicate what to press," Yrigoyen said.
Yrigoyen said one woman told him he had to vote for her cousin, who is running for city commissioner. The man said he repeatedly said no.
The candidate named is running for re-election on Weslaco's city commission.
Yrigoyen says he's legally blind and couldn't see who he voted for.
Sure, Republicans always force residents of public housing to vote when the residents don't want to do so. Public housing has long been known to be populated by Republicans. Hehehe.
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Sure, Republicans always force residents of public housing to vote when the residents don't want to do so. Public housing has long been known to be populated by Republicans. Hehehe.
What was particularly interesting was that the reluctant voter didn't want to vote at all. Yet, his name was added to the rolls not long ago. Obvoiusly, he didn't register himself to vote -- I wonder who did it for him.
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