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25 Oct 2014, 7:20 am

And any ceremony for that matter. Regimented behaviour is so strange to me. I was at a wedding last Saturday (which resulted in my date unfriending me on FB.) It was held in a barn which had been renovated for such events. The ceremony was about 45 minutes long. And just as the bride was about to read her vows a car alarm horn went off. The participants continued with the ceremony until the bride became so flustered that she stopped. Strangely, at that moment the horn stopped. Well this made me think ... so much attention to detail and timing, not to mention money to create a scene that is artificial. Some discordant demon had a big laugh at the bride's expense. But perhaps it is hubris to think that such an experience can be created.

So what am I missing?



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25 Oct 2014, 8:14 am

I don't get it either. I think that especially weddings are such a waste of time and especially money. Never liked them and never will! Or any ceremony for that matter.



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25 Oct 2014, 8:21 am

I thought NTs don't get bothered by noises like car horns, and I thought they didn't pay attention to detail? (Assuming the bride is NT).

But anyway, back to topic, I do want to get married to my partner some day, but I'm not sure a big ceremony is what I would want. A wedding in a church inviting family is fine with me, and maybe a little get-together at a quiet pub or even my house afterwards as a little celebration will do me. But it depends on what my partner wants too. I don't think he will be too bothered about having a big party. Plus we want a honeymoon after the wedding, so I don't think we will afford a big ceremony.


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25 Oct 2014, 8:24 am

Odd.......most people think we are regimented



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25 Oct 2014, 8:25 am

Joe90 wrote:
I thought NTs don't get bothered by noises like car horns, and I thought they didn't pay attention to detail? (Assuming the bride is NT)


Not even the most neurotypical could have missed this car horn. It was parked close to the barn. In fact there was laughter when it happened - the timing as she opened her mouth to speak was unfortunate.



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25 Oct 2014, 8:45 am

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I don't get it either. I think that especially weddings are such a waste of time and especially money. Never liked them and never will! Or any ceremony for that matter.


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Odd.......most people think we are regimented


In this instance it is an example of people behaving in a regimented manner (both autistic and NT and probably a few other neurologies.) It is the unnatural behaviour that puzzles me. The formality, I guess. I don't get what the purpose is.



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25 Oct 2014, 9:12 am

Weddings, like any ceremony, are just a way to mark momentous occasions in our lives. I suppose they are rather ?artificial,? but that's the way humans are wired.

I get what you're saying. I've always felt there's a certain phoniness to all this crap.


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25 Oct 2014, 9:19 am

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Weddings, like any ceremony, are just a way to mark momentous occasions in our lives.


But why is it necessary to mark occasions such as a marriage union or death? And how do such ceremonies mark these events?



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25 Oct 2014, 9:23 am

It's supposed to have a deep meaning, with every little step representing something significant in solidifying and formalizing the bond between two people.

In reality, it's often a mindless song-and-dance all for show and to transform common, everyday people into princes and princesses for a day without much thought given to WHY we do things.

I pick up a little extra money working weddings, and this is what I see all too often: Every member female member of the wedding party has her own personal entrance music. Seating of the mothers to "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring." Entrance of the bridesmaids to the famous "Kanon." The most recent wedding I played, they even wanted the flower girl to have her own little song. And FINALLY, the Bride appears to the glorious strains of "Lohengrin."

Ok, allow me to rant for just a sec? Have any of you actually seen a production of Wagner's Lohengrin? Or at least read about it? It's the old Swan Knight story. At the end, the husband is forced to reveal his true identity, which means he has to return to the castle of the Holy Grail. Elsa, the bride, falls down dead of a broken heart. EVERYBODY FREAKIN DIES!! !!11!1one1. And you want this played at your wedding???? What is wrong with you people????

Ok, rant over?moving on?

Getting back to the point, a lot of wedding elements are outdated and irrelevant, ring bearers and flower girls being my biggest gripe of all. I don't care how well-behaved your 2-year old is. Every single flower girl I've ever seen younger than 5 (which is pretty much all of them) without exception turns into "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo." The last wedding I did with a flower girl, she practically runs down the aisle, sprinkles a few rose petals, and gets scooped up by momma in the third pew. I discussed this with the mother of the bride and she SWORE up and down this girl absolutely would not do that. Oh, she'd been in weddings before, she was an old pro? Um, no, she's not. Exactly what purpose did she serve?

No, the focus should superficially/cosmetically be on the bride. It's HER day. Beyond that, it's all about the union of two people in what we expect to be a permanent arrangement, and that's the REAL point of weddings. Not the music. Not the flower girl. It's all about the vows that are said in front of a crowd of witnesses and the solemn promise to stay together forever, no matter what happens (and you and I know that for almost the majority of first marriages this is a joke). The most beautiful and meaningful weddings I've ever worked were short and sweet.

For me, even the most elaborate weddings aren't THAT bad. Funerals are a LOT worse than weddings. OK, I get that it's a memorial service. I get that we're here to celebrate life and offer comfort to survivors. Do we HAVE to detail every year of that person's life?

I take care of my 2yo son. We can't afford daycare and it's pointless to hire a babysitter. So he stays with me through EVERYTHING. So when someone dies, I usually get called on to play the funeral service. He sits on the piano bench with me. Unlike certain flower girls, he stays quiet and keeps his hands to himself unless I actually ask him to play piano with me--which he'll do sometimes, but for some reason he gets shy playing piano with me in front of a crowd. Whatever? Anyway, he'll sit still while I do prelude music and any opening hymns or songs. Once the eulogy starts, I'll let him sit in my lap, at which point he'll probably fall asleep. If I'm slick enough about it, I can put him down on the floor where he remains asleep unseen by the congregation. It usually works out pretty good. This last funeral I played, the middle child droned on and on and on about his mother, detailing each and every milestone, the difficulties she had to overcome growing up in a poor farming family, how hard her life was when she got married, how they worked hard, sacrificed, and went to all sorts of great lengths to unselfishly help anyone/everyone in any kind of need? OK, I get it. It doesn't take 45 minutes to do that.

People get nervous because I have my little boy sitting through these marathon speeches, and nobody like a screaming baby in the middle of a special, solemn occasion (see above on weddings). Lucky for me, I've done two of these things now where he slept through most of it. He can handle it. So it's not an issue of hurry up because I'm about to have a temper tantrum on my hands. It's an issue of IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY? You love your momma, she worked hard, she helped people. Thank you, and good night?please remember to tip your waitress.

Now, I'm just venting here? The reality is we do things like that because we care about people enough to let them say whatever they want to say for however long they want to say it. It gives them some sort of sense of peace and comfort in the midst of tragedy--this was an elderly woman who was slowly robbed of everything through dementia--she was basically gone a long time before her heart stopped. So I get it and I sympathize with the family.

So the point is people are going to do silly, pointless, painful acts between celebrating important milestones or coping with loss. It might be unpleasant for us. All we can do is just be there for them through whatever idiotic or unnecessarily arduous choices they make. It's their day. Endure it for their sake! lol It's just part of being a friend or family member.



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25 Oct 2014, 9:23 am

androbot01 wrote:
Booyakasha wrote:
I don't get it either. I think that especially weddings are such a waste of time and especially money. Never liked them and never will! Or any ceremony for that matter.


Waterfalls wrote:
Odd.......most people think we are regimented


In this instance it is an example of people behaving in a regimented manner (both autistic and NT and probably a few other neurologies.) It is the unnatural behaviour that puzzles me. The formality, I guess. I don't get what the purpose is.


Indeed, I heard of people even getting in debts just so they could pay off their children's wedding - well that's a nice gesture - but why?? So they could show off in those ugly gowns and suits? Listen to that (usually) awful music and perform those silly customs just because it's a tradition? I never understood "tradition" since, at least here, it has very little to do with common sense and logic, and still everyone is so happy to engage - just because everyone else is doing so.



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25 Oct 2014, 9:38 am

Why is it necessary? Maybe it's our natural compulsion to express appreciation for the happy moments in our live -- and the unhappy ones, as well. Like an artist paints a landscape to capture a beautiful scene; or a poet creates verse to express strong emotions. As we weave our way though are lives, these rituals and ceremonies are the way we splash these moments on our mental canvas.


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25 Oct 2014, 9:46 am

VegetableMan wrote:
Why is it necessary? Maybe it's our natural compulsion to express appreciation for the happy moments in our live -- and the unhappy ones, as well.

But how does performing a ceremony show such appreciation? Isn't that something that happens in your own heart, spontaneously?
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Like an artist paints a landscape to capture a beautiful scene; or a poet creates verse to express strong emotions. As we weave our way though are lives, these rituals and ceremonies are the way we splash these moments on our mental canvas.

Well my mental canvas has been splashed with some pretty ugly moments, some of which at just such events.



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25 Oct 2014, 1:49 pm

Well, I'm just making an observation, so I can't really explain "how." I'm not much for such events, myself. Perhaps I'm 100% wrong. As far as "ugly moments" occurring at these social thingies, I can relate to that. (That's why I generally avoid them like the plaque.)


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25 Oct 2014, 2:29 pm

I've never been to a wedding or any similar occasion, but I don't really understand them either. I mean, I understand that people might want to get married, but I don't understand the regimentation, fuss, specific rituals and conventions, lavishness etc.


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25 Oct 2014, 3:16 pm

I like weddings because they an be very creative. You don't have to do traditional. There are nerdy weddings such as Star Wars or Star Trek at sci fi conventions like Dragon Con. If you know someone who is planning on getting married or if you ever tie the knot be prepared to have spend lots of long hours preparing the thing. Also get ready for some friends who are going to be upset with you because of this or that.

The part I don't like is that one dress that you are going to wear one time and you have to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on one dress.



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25 Oct 2014, 10:12 pm

when you find the right life partner, one wants to mark the occasion with some substance.