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24 Oct 2014, 7:09 pm

And if so, do the people there wonder if there are parallel universes :)


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24 Oct 2014, 9:05 pm

I'm working with at least 2 distinct ones in my head. :evil:



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25 Oct 2014, 9:23 am

Einschmidt wrote:
And if so, do the people there wonder if there are parallel universes :)


We have no hard evidence that there are, and the multiverse hypothesis is typically just an ad hoc explanation to fill in the gaps of pre-existing theories. We will probably never know if there are multiple universes or not.


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25 Oct 2014, 9:32 am

It's nice to think there's one where I never f****d up. But then, there's one where I f****d up even worst if that one exists.



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25 Oct 2014, 10:46 am

Dillogic wrote:
It's nice to think there's one where I never f****d up. But then, there's one where I f****d up even worst if that one exists.


And a trillion where you don't exist.



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25 Oct 2014, 7:27 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Einschmidt wrote:
And if so, do the people there wonder if there are parallel universes :)


We have no hard evidence that there are, and the multiverse hypothesis is typically just an ad hoc explanation to fill in the gaps of pre-existing theories. We will probably never know if there are multiple universes or not.


Yeah, it gets pretty frustrating whenever this hypothesis is brought up as an ad hoc trump card in discussions about physics. Sometimes it feels like this theory is just there to make certain people feel better, and I don't understand how in my lifetime so many scientists have jumped into actually talking about metaphysics instead of physics.


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25 Oct 2014, 7:31 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Einschmidt wrote:
And if so, do the people there wonder if there are parallel universes :)


We have no hard evidence that there are, and the multiverse hypothesis is typically just an ad hoc explanation to fill in the gaps of pre-existing theories. We will probably never know if there are multiple universes or not.


Yeah, it gets pretty frustrating whenever this hypothesis is brought up as an ad hoc trump card in discussions about physics. Sometimes it feels like this theory is just there to make certain people feel better, and I don't understand how in my lifetime so many scientists have jumped into talking about metaphysics instead of physics.


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27 Oct 2014, 4:37 am

it is possible; the multiverse theory does fill in a few gaps in our current understanding of physics.

for example, assuming gravity extends to "close" alternatives can explain why it is so weak compared to other forces.
also, one theory is that the big bang occured due to a collision with another universe, and the empty stretches of space are where our universe pushes against another one.

now, of course, these are far-fetched and mainly thought-experiments, as there is no way to test them (yet), but i find it enjoyable to toy with such ideas.



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27 Oct 2014, 8:28 pm

It is the only explanation as to why our universe is so finely tuned for our existence. If it were not for the idea of parallel universes I (as a logical person) would have to believe in a designer.
Seriously, there are only two options.
1. God exists.
2. Parallel universes exist.
PS: I am an agnostic atheist. Therefore I prefer option 2. However, as an agnostic I do not claim certainty.
The multi-verse also fits into the Everrt many worlds explanation of quantum mechanics.


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27 Oct 2014, 8:38 pm

I admit the possibility that God exists and parallel universes exist. What I am saying is that if parallel universes do not exist then there has to be a designer, which most call God.
If the physical constants in our universe were off by one millionth of a %,life would be impossible.
However, if there are billions of parallel universes (each one having different constants) then it is not a miracle that we find ourselves in a universe that has constants perfectly suited for life. Similarly, we do not think it a miracle that fish find there watery environment perfectly suited for fish. Fish would not exist without water.
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27 Oct 2014, 9:35 pm

izzeme wrote:
it is possible; the multiverse theory does fill in a few gaps in our current understanding of physics.

for example, assuming gravity extends to "close" alternatives can explain why it is so weak compared to other forces.
also, one theory is that the big bang occured due to a collision with another universe, and the empty stretches of space are where our universe pushes against another one.

now, of course, these are far-fetched and mainly thought-experiments, as there is no way to test them (yet), but i find it enjoyable to toy with such ideas.


"Parallel universe of gaps" doesn't sound any better than "God of gaps" to me. I've even heard that it was necessary to assume because of this peculiarity, that gravity is such a weak force, so weak that there has to be significantly more mass than we can detect (hence dark matter). I don't think that's a tenable kind of assumption for much of anything, physics, metaphysics, ethics, theology, epistemology, or otherwise because it is merely an a priori assumption.


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27 Oct 2014, 10:43 pm

Parallel universes are a very sound theory. No way I could ever see us proving it, but the theory makes a lot of sense. I think it's quite likely.


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28 Oct 2014, 8:51 am

Once again, you made me google. Not the word, but the concept. There are numerous references in the Bible which point to the fact implied above. If I'm wrong, please, enlighten me.


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28 Oct 2014, 9:44 am

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The Bible talks about parallel universes?????????

Can you cite scripture for that?



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28 Oct 2014, 12:34 pm

Ephesian 3:18
John 8:48
John 14:2
Those might reflect a multi-dimensional understanding.
Drove an ambulance in Bosnia? You are a better man than me and I am an arrogant egotist! :D
Seriously, I have never said that before.


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28 Oct 2014, 12:54 pm

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Drove an ambulance in Bosnia? You are a better man than me and I am an arrogant egotist! :D
Seriously, I have never said that before.


Huh?

The scripture was for me.
But who is THAT addressed to?