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31 Oct 2014, 1:18 am

Just a thought ... If Alex has run into technical problems, he could be focusing all his attention on trying to fix them. Perhaps the timeline simply proved too optimistic?

I have no idea and don't expect anyone to tell me anything, but I also know that life rarely goes as planned. Since I hope others will be understanding of me when things go sideways, I try to give the same back.


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31 Oct 2014, 1:48 am

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My theory is Alex obviously has Asperger's. Part the diagnostic criteria is poor social reciprocity which is what we saw. A lot of people on the spectrum to due executive functioning are poor multitaskers I think the between the show and WP was it was too much and WP was ignored. Now that the show has been cancelled
he has apologized and said he was overwhelmed. He is communicating with us.

One person can't do very much. A lot of people being mindful, supportive can make a big difference. We can post stories where autistics have been accepted by NT's such as the Autistic person who was voted Homecoming King. I am not saying WP should be all happy and whitewash the very real severe difficulties. That we would be figured out quickly and is not helpful because it makes people struggling feel bad.


Nor should it be a place used for making excuses about ones disability. Alex has the same disability as most of the rest of us; and yet you're still defending him - Don't you see you're making excuses for him. Last time I checked, Asperger's was not an excuse, nor were any of the symptoms.

Inexcusable - IMO.


Just putting up a explanation theory. Perhaps you were not around when I knocking his lack of communication two months ago when the a lot of people were complain about another issue. Maybe you did not read a few months ago and last week when I wrote Hollywood was getting to his head or when I replied to one of his his posts and told him he should make a choice Hollywood or us. As it turned out the show was cancelled and the decision was made for him. Now that he is active, I acknowledged that. You want every word I write that is he is a complete as*hole with no good qualities, read another poster, you won't get that from me. I find it awkward to not acknowledge ASD on a ASD support site. That includes your black and white thinking about this topic.


Yeah; no. I made the same point in Cornflake's topic. That's not the point.

The point is, you're using Asperger's as an excuse for minimal communication. Alex runs an internet forum. If he doesn't want to communicate; as has already been said - delegate to someone who will.

If you *really* are wanting to use Asperger's as an excuse for, well, anything, then don't do it where I can see it.


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31 Oct 2014, 8:41 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
We will miss you, Tallyman. It was a pleasure to work with you back in the day, when I did.

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In terms of too much responsibility on too few people- I'm not sure how many staff members there "usually" are for WrongPlanet at any one time [I have been unable to find a list of active staff]. But for this particular board- when it is functioning properly- I can't imagine it actually necessitates a huge number.


It takes a decent number. As a public forum with a relatively high profile, that has a presence across the globe, there is work involved that the membership never sees. And the job is exhausting and frustrating at times; with very little positive feedback or reward; it is really easy to burn out. You can bend over backwards to help someone, spend hours on their behalf, and make an enemy anyway. That is just the nature of the beast, but it means the team is almost always looking for someone new to replace someone no longer willing or able to continue. I have no regrets about the time I spent doing the job, the people who take it on believe strongly in the value of this place, but I do think members should realize it is a lot more difficult than it looks for a whole variety of reasons...

I come from a place of experience, so I do realize the magnitude of difficulty here. I'm really getting sick of you- specifically- making a lot of assumptions about me, by the way. Maybe just back off. I did.

But there are not fifty moderators here at one time.


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31 Oct 2014, 3:38 pm

SignOfLazarus wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
We will miss you, Tallyman. It was a pleasure to work with you back in the day, when I did.

SignOfLazarus wrote:
In terms of too much responsibility on too few people- I'm not sure how many staff members there "usually" are for WrongPlanet at any one time [I have been unable to find a list of active staff]. But for this particular board- when it is functioning properly- I can't imagine it actually necessitates a huge number.


It takes a decent number. As a public forum with a relatively high profile, that has a presence across the globe, there is work involved that the membership never sees. And the job is exhausting and frustrating at times; with very little positive feedback or reward; it is really easy to burn out. You can bend over backwards to help someone, spend hours on their behalf, and make an enemy anyway. That is just the nature of the beast, but it means the team is almost always looking for someone new to replace someone no longer willing or able to continue. I have no regrets about the time I spent doing the job, the people who take it on believe strongly in the value of this place, but I do think members should realize it is a lot more difficult than it looks for a whole variety of reasons...

I come from a place of experience, so I do realize the magnitude of difficulty here. I'm really getting sick of you- specifically- making a lot of assumptions about me, by the way. Maybe just back off. I did.

But there are not fifty moderators here at one time.


I am unaware that I've assumed anything at all about you. I simply used your comment as a jumping board to share some thoughts.

I'm not good at keeping track of who is who and who has said what, so I apologize it I've inadvertently created a pattern with you. It was not intended.


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01 Nov 2014, 1:03 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
I'm not good at keeping track of who is who and who has said what, so I apologize it I've inadvertently created a pattern with you. It was not intended.


fair enough.

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If Alex can't correct his absentmindedness (or whatever the issue that's often kept him from attending to the site in a timely manner), he should delegate some of the executive decision making to someone who will reply to moderators & other site feedback with reasonable timeliness & efficacy.

Failing either of those his apology won't end up having much credibility.


Alex,
I have to agree with this just in general and not even in this specific situation. Apologizing for whatever a person feels they should apologize for is a step... but it's not a whole lot without something behind it. So while I think a lot of people do understand you are only human- and it's clear that recently you have made some effort to be more specific about the timeline- one of the frustrations that can come from groups efforts when there are repeated failures to follow through is the cycle of apology with no change.

So something goes wrong [or just doesn't happen] and the reasons can be perfectly legitimate, but if the situation isn't addressed or a plan put into place or efforts are not made to change how things are done, the apologies eventually become worthless, people feel frustrated and get this sense of helplessness because even their frustration doesn't matter. That, in my experience anyway, is when burnout is most likely to become a huge issue.

Apologies that are not accompanied by productive action lead to a feeling of helplessness.

I'm sure TONS of other people can weigh in on this, particularly in regards to working in a group online setting and I really wish they would in terms of what has worked best in their experience with communication, etc. I think it could be helpful. This isn't my "gig", but I feel like you could take what you feel might be helpful from the discussion and only use whatever is applicable. Maybe it should be a new discussion. I really have no idea; I'm still trying to figure out what the board culture is really.


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01 Nov 2014, 4:08 am

bcousins wrote:
Yeah; no. I made the same point in Cornflake's topic. That's not the point.

The point is, you're using Asperger's as an excuse for minimal communication. Alex runs an internet forum. If he doesn't want to communicate; as has already been said - delegate to someone who will.

If you *really* are wanting to use Asperger's as an excuse for, well, anything, then don't do it where I can see it.


We all agree he should delegate or give up entirely, that we are still posting on the old software despite the promises only strengthens our case.

Thing is I can't force him to communicate, nor get the new software running, nor can I force him to change the Autistic unfriendly color scheme. At some point in the future when the software gets intolerably buggy I will be one that will have to change by leaving. The same idea applies to my posts. You are not bullying me out of posting what I see fit and where I see fit. If you don't want to see them you are the one that will have to make a change by just skipping by when you see my handle or possibly writing a script to do the same thing.


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01 Nov 2014, 4:43 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
possibly writing a script to do the same thing.


Been there, done that. *points to signature*. I knew there was a reason I stopped visiting here.

Note to Alex; if you actually plan on writing software, and want to know how to do it right; look at some of your members. At least they have taken the time to do it right, and not re-skin phpBB3. Furthermore, if you want to be truthful about writing something from scratch - mention it's the theme, not the whole site.


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01 Nov 2014, 4:46 am

I cant blame the guy for leaving.... this site is really such a freaking mess.

And also CLOUDFLARE. Holy heck, do I ever hate it. So much. I've been seeing it more and more, and all it does is corrupt whatever it touches.

I know I wouldnt have the patience to continue on as admin/mod here, that's for sure.



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01 Nov 2014, 5:21 am

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And also CLOUDFLARE. Holy heck, do I ever hate it. So much. I've been seeing it more and more, and all it does is corrupt whatever it touches.

Yeah. CloudFlare can be a real pain. It doesn't like long posts, several images, links or quotes. And sometimes members don't exist according to it.


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01 Nov 2014, 5:47 am

Skilpadde wrote:
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And also CLOUDFLARE. Holy heck, do I ever hate it. So much. I've been seeing it more and more, and all it does is corrupt whatever it touches.

Yeah. CloudFlare can be a real pain. It doesn't like long posts, several images, links or quotes. And sometimes members don't exist according to it.


It doesnt like anything.

More and more sites are using it, and in most cases as soon as I see a site begin with it, I leave the site and dont come back; it's THAT bad. Whoever came up with it SERIOUSLY needs to be kicked by a horse. Which has spiked hooves. And is on fire. With lasers.

I've heard the "BUT SECURITY ZOMG!! !!1" arguement for it, but honestly, that concept is utterly useless when the site itself barely functions as a result of the "protection".



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01 Nov 2014, 2:24 pm

bcousins wrote:
Note to Alex; if you actually plan on writing software, and want to know how to do it right; look at some of your members. At least they have taken the time to do it right, and not re-skin phpBB3. Furthermore, if you want to be truthful about writing something from scratch - mention it's the theme, not the whole site.


A lot of your members not only have the talent to do it correctly but are under or unemployed.


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02 Nov 2014, 11:11 am

It seems Alex may have had to split into:

Aspie Alex and NT Alex to do his job in what seems to be the most efficient manner for us and others.

I've worked in a high tension NT environment and can relate the pressure to be NT can be quite extreme and both physically and mentally stressful and demanding, both to yourself and those you love.

If the above is true and the stories of Hollywood/La La Land pressures are also true I'll just say: Thanks Alex, this site has been a godsend for myself and thousands of others and unmatched by anyone.....I hope you're holding up OK. Right on buddy. :D

I can't say Thank You enough!



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13 Nov 2014, 9:31 am

i'm resigning as a mod as well. My infant daughter deserves more attention than this site.



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13 Nov 2014, 9:58 am

You too? :(

Well, I understand your reason, but still sad to see yet another one go.


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13 Nov 2014, 12:19 pm

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i'm resigning as a mod as well. My infant daughter deserves more attention than this site.



You had a baby, congratulations.


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13 Nov 2014, 1:15 pm

Booyakasha, obviously I am greatly appreciative of the work you've done moderating for the site. It's unfortunate that you will not be moderating but I understand that family is always the most important priority.


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