Do you believe there are Extraterrestrial beings ?

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31 Oct 2014, 9:43 pm

but some pleasure may still be obtained, by some of us at least, in pondering cosmic things.



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31 Oct 2014, 10:13 pm

auntblabby wrote:
but some pleasure may still be obtained, by some of us at least, in pondering cosmic things.


It also seems prudent to me. If I encounter such a situation I will have to effectively operate within a context completely outside any that I have previously conceived.
My intuition tells me that the lack of humans being able to do this would be a significant reason for alien life to avoid contact with us.



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31 Oct 2014, 10:23 pm

olympiadis wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
but some pleasure may still be obtained, by some of us at least, in pondering cosmic things.


It also seems prudent to me. If I encounter such a situation I will have to effectively operate within a context completely outside any that I have previously conceived.
My intuition tells me that the lack of humans being able to do this would be a significant reason for alien life to avoid contact with us.

I suspect that there is a universal "do not [obviously] interfere" directive in force. but it is a directive with holes in it.



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01 Nov 2014, 12:09 am

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Hmm... my first impression is of some kind of firework or flare (on a parachute). Though I would expect red for a flare. Considering the stormy looking clouds a rare lightning effect came to mind (ie Ball Lightning) but that dropping a second glowing/burning part is odd. Obviously though that's just idle speculation and I don't know what it is.

Then again, perhaps a flare of a different type. One the military uses for anti-missle purposes. Planes release these to draw away SAMs. A training mission or accidental release at higher altitude might explain it.
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Yes I used to live near Garden Island naval base off the coast near Perth (West Australia). It's quite plausible they were naval flares. I recall that was also an explanation for the lights seen in Arizona which were also orb like. One minor issue was the lights I saw on a regular basis appeared to be under intelligent control and often chased each other? one for x-files I guess.

Also saw a fairly large ship on fire out of my window at nightime. The flames were quite obvious. Got my dad to ring the port authorities but was told there was no report of a burning ship?



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01 Nov 2014, 12:18 am

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As an avid plane spotter myself I spend available time "skyfishing". I can cross off a number of spectacular aerial objects in our very clear southern skies that include the following;

Larger military aircraft such as the C5, C17, and B2 can appear very much unlike a normal aircraft under certain conditions such as fog, clouds, or extreme darkness.


I think the planes stationed off the coast at that time (mid to late 1970s) were mostly smaller aircraft. We didn't have short haul larger carriers in those days like Lockheeds.



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01 Nov 2014, 12:24 am

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To even entertain the thought that other intelligent life isn't out there is just foolish.


Not to mention the same people who laugh hysterically at the possibility of extraterrestrials are happy for money to be wasted on projects like SETI. All the SETI project has demonstrated is that aliens don't particularly care to send radio signals.



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01 Nov 2014, 12:31 am

cyberdad wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
To even entertain the thought that other intelligent life isn't out there is just foolish.


Not to mention the same people who laugh hysterically at the possibility of extraterrestrials are happy for money to be wasted on projects like SETI. All the SETI project has demonstrated is that aliens don't particularly care to send radio signals.

even by accident? there are people who think the WOW! signal was the equivalent of telemetry by some more advanced ET civilization somewhere, that we stumbled upon while looking for other things.



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01 Nov 2014, 1:15 am

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One minor issue was the lights I saw on a regular basis appeared to be under intelligent control and often chased each other? one for x-files I guess.


This makes me think of geological generation of electrical energy.
Once the level of a certain characteristic of electricity is reached, normally from unusually high voltage, the electrical energy domain can operate independently of the gravitational domain, which looks REALLY strange.

In zero-G of space some experiments have been done studying the visual effects of much smaller levels of static electrical forces. They don't emit visible light we can see, but the water droplets used in the experiment allows us to see the movement patterns.

Video of zero-G electrical forces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NbCzbDdd-g

When electrical forces are generated geologically, then there is a great amount of lensing being done due to a massive amount of atomic lattice structure that the electrical force has to negotiate before getting to the Earth's surface.



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01 Nov 2014, 3:59 am

auntblabby wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
To even entertain the thought that other intelligent life isn't out there is just foolish.


Not to mention the same people who laugh hysterically at the possibility of extraterrestrials are happy for money to be wasted on projects like SETI. All the SETI project has demonstrated is that aliens don't particularly care to send radio signals.

even by accident? there are people who think the WOW! signal was the equivalent of telemetry by some more advanced ET civilization somewhere, that we stumbled upon while looking for other things.


The problem is SETI have searched the same area of space and not found that same signal again?



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01 Nov 2014, 4:06 am

olympiadis wrote:
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One minor issue was the lights I saw on a regular basis appeared to be under intelligent control and often chased each other? one for x-files I guess.


This makes me think of geological generation of electrical energy.
Once the level of a certain characteristic of electricity is reached, normally from unusually high voltage, the electrical energy domain can operate independently of the gravitational domain, which looks REALLY strange.

In zero-G of space some experiments have been done studying the visual effects of much smaller levels of static electrical forces. They don't emit visible light we can see, but the water droplets used in the experiment allows us to see the movement patterns.

Video of zero-G electrical forces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NbCzbDdd-g

When electrical forces are generated geologically, then there is a great amount of lensing being done due to a massive amount of atomic lattice structure that the electrical force has to negotiate before getting to the Earth's surface.


I've not heard this geo explanation before. We have a Science centre in Docklands that has a "lightning room" which simulates electrical discharge as part of school education programs. They talk about the possible existence of electric generated plasma which taken extreme high speed photos like 1/1000 of a second look like strange disc shapes. The problem was I used to see these objects on clear nights (not on cloudy nights).

I suspect there's a rationale explanation but not closing the possibility they are flying craft piloted by little grey hermaphrodite clones riding around with their probes. :wink:



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01 Nov 2014, 4:46 am

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The problem is SETI have searched the same area of space and not found that same signal again?

also another idea floated is because they might have been sending out a singular "is anybody out there?!" signal which was as much a shot in the dark [not to be repeated anytime soon due to its expense in energy] as we would have tried [Arecibo transmission 1974] given our level of technology. only their signal was incomparably more powerful than we would be capable of anytime soon. like two ships passing in the dark.



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01 Nov 2014, 7:15 am

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Absolutely, and those are the people that get the cold anal probe I bet.


:alien: :alien: :alien:


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01 Nov 2014, 8:51 am

Talk about close encounters!



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01 Nov 2014, 12:20 pm

You probably heard about this latest person coming forward with an Alien story. But posting the video here in case you haven't. I have only read reviews of it, and still have to watch it myself.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTXHw1mZD4[/youtube]



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01 Nov 2014, 4:44 pm

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01 Nov 2014, 9:42 pm

Very annoying film clip. You'd think that even low budget amateurs could at least use an over head projector for the guy's still photos, and take moving pics of the enlarged stills while the guy comments on them ( so we can actually see the damned pics).

So the ET's come from a planet named "Quintonia" that is 68 light years away. But notice that the speaker doesnt say what STAR Quintonia orbits around.

Could it be that specifying a star might make his claim subject to being pinned down, and possilby being disproved by astronomers in the audience?

I don't know how many stars are exactly 68 light years away from us. According to one website there are 57 G type stars (like our sun) between 60 and 70 light years away from us. And presumably more stars of other classes.