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tortoise
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: Are Aspies more trusting, more gullible? |
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I've noticed again that many responses on a recent thread took the information posted at face value. Is this a generalized trait of the disorder? Any literature to support this?
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TruenoBlues
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Are Aspies more trusting, more gullible? |
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| tortoise wrote: | | I've noticed again that many responses on a recent thread took the information posted at face value. Is this a generalized trait of the disorder? Any literature to support this? |
Yeah, it is. I naturally have a more skeptical mind, so this is less of a problem for me.
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Mushroom
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| I used to be very gullible... but now I analyze and compare everything to previous data before I decide whether it's true or false, and while this certainly helps, it is useless in some situations... so I am somewhat more gullible than normal. |
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nobodyzdream
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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skimming through different sites for specific quotes and such about this...
| Quote: | | By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context. |
| Quote: | Cognition
* obsessed with complex topics, such as patterns, weather, music, history, etc.
* often described as eccentric
* I.Q.'s fall along the full spectrum, but many are in the above normal range in verbal ability and in the below average range in performance abilities.
* many have dyslexia, writing problems, and difficulty with mathematics
* lack common sense
* concrete thinking (versus abstract) |
| Quote: | | The Adolescent: This may be the most difficult time for an individual with Asperger's Disorder. Those with milder forms of the disorder may first come to treatment when they are in middle school. In adolescence, social demands become more complex. Subtle social nuances become important. Some may show an increase in oppositional or aggressive behavior. Individuals with Asperger’s have difficulty understanding which of their peers might want to be a friend. A socially marginal boy might try to date the most popular girl in his class. He will probably experience rejection. He is unaware that some other girl might accept his invitation. Because of his social naiveté, he may not realize when someone is trying to take advantage of him. He can be especially vulnerable to manipulation and peer pressure. |
| Quote: | Symptoms during childhood *I cropped this one down*
Be unable to recognize subtle differences in speech tone, pitch, and accent that alter the meaning of others’ speech. Thus, your child may not understand a joke or may take a sarcastic comment literally. Likewise, his or her speech may be flat and difficult to understand because it lacks tone, pitch, and accent. |
There are many many more sites and descriptions of this exact thing. While it is not in the criteria, it is still listed under explanations of the symptoms.
I don't know if it helps or not, but that's some of what I found. Grrr... didn't think to post the links >.< doh! |
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Flismflop
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Nobodyzdream,
Would you mind citing the URLs that you are quoting from?
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TheMachine1
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Hard to answer but my guess is it depend on how and in what context you define "trust" and "gullibility".
I would say at its core aspies are less trusting. That seems to be supported by the oxytocin dysfunctional theory of autism. Gullibility seems to be related to ones knowledge, intelligence and trust levels. So again I say many aspies are not very gullible.
But if you define gullibility as not having the social skills( whatever skills) to stand up for yourself to prevent abuse by others then I say most us are quite gullible. Like I have loan money to people I rather not, knowing I would unlikely ever be paid back. An aspie is more subject to that kind of abuse but I think they know they are being abused in most cases.
There is also the notion that aspie as they get closer to LFA tend to take words literally.
I had a joke I made up where I told these other students. "I told that Chinese student to hit the lights when he left the lab and he broke the bulb out instead of turning the switch off". (implying he did not understand English well not that he was dumb) |
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nobodyzdream
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| Flismflop wrote: | Nobodyzdream,
Would you mind citing the URLs that you are quoting from? |
lol, stupid me! I need to find them again, yes-I closed windows as I did the quotes and didn't even think about it... I'm back on the hunt for them, lol. |
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nobodyzdream
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| Quote: | | # Making literal interpretation: AS individuals have trouble interpreting colloquialisms, sarcasm, and metaphors. |
Didn't include this one last time, just found it, lol-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
| Quote: | | By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context. |
http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html
| Quote: | Cognition
* obsessed with complex topics, such as patterns, weather, music, history, etc.
* often described as eccentric
* I.Q.'s fall along the full spectrum, but many are in the above normal range in verbal ability and in the below average range in performance abilities.
* many have dyslexia, writing problems, and difficulty with mathematics
* lack common sense
* concrete thinking (versus abstract) |
http://www.autism.org/asperger.html
| Quote: | | The Adolescent: This may be the most difficult time for an individual with Asperger's Disorder. Those with milder forms of the disorder may first come to treatment when they are in middle school. In adolescence, social demands become more complex. Subtle social nuances become important. Some may show an increase in oppositional or aggressive behavior. Individuals with Asperger’s have difficulty understanding which of their peers might want to be a friend. A socially marginal boy might try to date the most popular girl in his class. He will probably experience rejection. He is unaware that some other girl might accept his invitation. Because of his social naiveté, he may not realize when someone is trying to take advantage of him. He can be especially vulnerable to manipulation and peer pressure. |
http://www.ncpamd.com/aspergers.htm
Grrr, can't pinpoint that last one again, sorry >.< will look again in the morning for sure  I tend to skim big blocks of text when looking for these things, as it just confuses to read ALL of them sometimes-my brain just tires out, lol. But almost every site that is fairly detailed in the description (that I have seen beyond just these), I have found this bit of information in it.
I also know personally, for me, I take a lot of things very literally, and just kind of attempt to assume what is meant. My boyfriend can NOT use a metaphor around me if it (the metaphor) is referring to something I have experienced, because I know how it was in my experience, and will refer to it rather than seeing it from any other viewpoint, or what it is implying rather than just knowing my experience. I am prone to a lot of teasing from him due to this, lol-luckily I do know that he still loves me, and just finds it amusing, and I realize how it must look to someone else, and realize that some of the things I say are stupid AFTER I reflect on them, lol, but not at the time. I don't "get it" until after it is thoroughly explained, which means until after I ask a million questions about what exactly it meant, lol.
I was a bully target growing up, not so much because anyone was necessarily mean to me, but because I'd get so confused so easily that I was fun to pick on. I was also one of the poor saps looking up the word gullible every now and then to in fact make sure it was still in the dictionary, or to double check and make sure it was, when people would tell me it wasn't. I also fell for people telling me "you dropped your pocket" repeatedly.  |
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Danielismyname
I wish I were a classical nihilist
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Was too trusting
‘cause I stopped developing prior
to the onset of deception
that’s why I’m not a liar
but life kills the innocent
and here I am in the circle of fire
afraid to move
'cause all I see is 360 liars
I've got nothing to prove
I've just been thrown off one too many spires |
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tomamil
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| i am known for being very naive and gullible (nice word). people like me for that. now in adulthood, they mostly don't misuse it. and life is nicer, not easier, but nicer... |
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calandale
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Please refrain from using the word 'gullible',
it was removed from the dictionary. |
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tomamil
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| calandale wrote: | Please refrain from using the word 'gullible',
it was removed from the dictionary. |
lol, really? i am disappointed. it sounds so nice 
ok, i won't use it, although i found it in my dictionary. and also here
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullible |
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fresco
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| I used to be very gullible now I am sceptical and analyse everything to death. |
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Mitch8817
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Naive is the word.
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Sopho
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| People have said I'm very trusting. Although, from experience, I've learned to be less so in certain situations. |
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